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markie said:What answers? If told you why he is not a prpphet you or another Muslim would say I'm just slandering Islam.
markie said:What answers? If told you why he is not a prpphet you or another Muslim would say I'm just slandering Islam.
They only contradict each other if you are looking for contradictions. One gospel might say something about an event, and the other referring to that event might give more or less information about it but they don't contradict. Like you all say Paul's different accounts of his vision in Acts contradict he gives different information about them but they don't contradict. I think this whole thing hinges on the death and resurrection of Jesus. If you could prove they lied in the gospel's you would have a reason not to believe the death and resurrection, if you proved Jesus didn't die you could say there's no new testament. From what I read I don't think you even follow the law right. Do you saccrifice at passover, that's the law.mli3 said:WHAT did u say???
The book which I am talking about r((Matthew,Mark,Luke and John))...I will say the question again..How do u believe in 4 gospels which contradict each other???
DO not forget the rest questions!!!
The source book I use for Islamic history doesn't say that.Montalban said:"Muslim theologians are unanimous in declaring that no religious toleration was extended to the idolators of Arabia at the time of Muhammad. The only choice given them was death or the acceptance of Islam. Similarly, no tolerance is shown to atheists and unbelievers.
I'm only guessing but this could be a description of Hell, not an instruction to be used by Muslims against living people.The Koran is full of lurid descriptions of the punishments awaiting them. Surah XXII.9 states: "As for the unbelievers for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skins shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods."
For the same reason the Jews arranged for Jesus to be crucified.Why do you think that the Meccans chased Muhammed out of Mecca?
The 'test for time' idea means you believe that given a long amount of time of existence equates to being some kind of 'good' religion. If not, what's the point in raising it.
Please note that I was not arguing against the word "good" but the word "better".Montalban in post 17 said:Obviously, then by your rationale, Christianity, being older, is even better, and Judaism, even better, and so on back to Hindu religion, said to be even older. Hinduism, you must now say 'stood the test of time' better than any other faith.
I belong to the Baha'i Faith.What religion is that?
Are you saying your religion is only true for 'now'?
I_are_sceptical in post 58 said:Secondly, If Christianity is exclusively true, does that mean Moses was a false prophet?
Read my post again. It says "Moses", not "Muhammad".Yes, it does. Hence it proves that your standard is wrong.
Christians say Christ died on the Cross (and rose again). Muslims deny He died in such a way, but was substituted (who knows why?, but that's beside the point). Thus on just one instance we are presenting mutually exclusive arguments.
The Old Testament is sacred scripture in Christianity along with the New Testament. God's revelation is progressively revealed through time, and Moses, as the foremost prophet of the Old Testament, from a Christian perspective points us toward believing in Christ.I_are_sceptical said:S Walch, if post # 61 is addressed to me, I have read several books on Christian apologetics over the years. When they say that Christianity is exclusively true, no exception is ever made for Moses. Your New Testament quote does not change the content of those books.
As a member of a religion which is neither Judaism nor Christianity, I reject the idea that Christianity is exclusively true. Which makes me wonder why nothing is said about Moses being true until after I point out a possible flaw in Christian reasoning.
Okay, so how does that match the Christian claim that Christianity is "exclusively" or "uniquely" true?solomon said:The Old Testament is sacred scripture in Christianity along with the New Testament. God's revelation is progressively revealed through time, and Moses, as the foremost prophet of the Old Testament, from a Christian perspective points us toward believing in Christ.
Jesus was a prophet and if somebody told you he wasn't he must not have read duetoronomy 18::18 very well Or maybe they applied it to Mohammed which I doubt it's referring to but even the imam way moderator says it includes Jesus. The reason Christians don't like to call him that is he was and is so much more than just a prophet. would you rather we had called the gospels the gospels according to Jesus? Did Jesus write these words,mli3 said:we do believe that Jesus was a prophet and so did Jesus (pbuh). Prophet Jesus
denied divinity and confirmed his humanity and that he
was a Prophet in many verses in the Bible.
After hearing the news that Herod wanted to kill him,
Jesus said, "Nevertheless I must journey on today and
tomorrow and the next day; for it can not be that A
PROPHET should perish outside of Jerusalem" (Luke
13:33).
Christianity has grown from the roots of the ancient Hebrew faith of Abraham, Jacob and Moses. For Christians, Jesus was a fulfilment of the laws and the prophets of the Old Testament, of whom Moses was the primary one.I_are_sceptical said:Okay, so how does that match the Christian claim that Christianity is "exclusively" or "uniquely" true?
Yes, I'm well aware of that, but it has nothing to do with the question I am asking.solomon said:Christianity has grown from the roots of the ancient Hebrew faith of Abraham, Jacob and Moses. For Christians, Jesus was a fulfilment of the laws and the prophets of the Old Testament, of whom Moses was the primary one.
I've heard Christian arguments that any statement about Jesus should be in complete agreement with the New Testament, not on secular philosophies that ignore what Jesus said about Himself and His disciples said about Him. Would it be fair to base our view of Muhammad on the Qur'an?Farid said:Hi Mli3!
I can see some sincerity in your question, hence i'll tell you few things abiout Mohemmed and then you can deicide. what I will say is not by no means everything about mohhemed.
Now let us look at the god of Islam who sent Mohammed as a prophet.
- a prophet is like a messenger from God
- the messenger should pass on the message of his King, Queen, God...or whoever that send him.
Unfortunately i have to go now. but I'll try to come back and explain abit more about it. feel free to private message me.
- he refers to women as "lacking mind and religion", meaning they are not as holy or wise as men.
- if a moslem man washes before prayers, two things can make him unclean again...a dog or a waman passing by him!
- in their "heaven", a man shall have 70 virgins to have sex with a day. they can have sex with children in that heaven and these children are the sons of the unbelievers, that is non moslems.
- in their heave, they can drink wine...etc and have all sortsof materialistic things.
- Mohemmed himself got married to a 9 years old child.
- Mohammed got married to more than 40 women. If you want to read about his sexual immorality, there a book written by a famous moslem female writer, i thinks it's called " Zawgat el nabi" arabic for "the wives of the prophet". she was attemting to exalt him
The Old Testament does not belong to Judaism alone. The Old Testament is very much an essential part of the Christianity, and it always has been. Judaism accepts the Old Testament as scripture, like Christianity. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is not that Christians cannot accept Moses, but that Judaism cannot acept Christ as God, King and Sacrifice.I_are_sceptical said:Yes, I'm well aware of that, but it has nothing to do with the question I am asking.
Either Christianity alone is from God, or both Judaism and Christianity are from God.
If Christianity alone is from God, then the Old Testament is not, and never was, God's Word.
If both religions are from God, then Christianity is not exclusively or uniquely true.
What do you think?
Either Christianity alone is from God, or both Judaism and Christianity are from God.
Nope, The New Testament grew out of the Old.If Christianity alone is from God, then the Old Testament is not, and never was, God's Word.
If both religions are from God, then Christianity is not exclusively or uniquely true.
I think this is a great time for some coffee!What do you think?
This is the only part of your lengthy post that relates in any way to my question. What is meant by exclusivity? It seems to me that whenever Christians talk about it they are saying that all other religions are false.solomon said:simply not what is meant by the exclusivity of Christian truth.
The Christians who walk up to me on the street, and knock on my door, and tell me God wants me to change my religion.tulc said:Who said it was?
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