Is Masturbation a Sin?

[christ_in_me]

I've done a lot of research into this topic and came across a lot of literature that would agree that masturbation can be a sin depending on how it is done. They go on to say that if you touch with lust in your mind and thinking impure thoughts then it's definitely a sin (Matt 5:28-29). However, if you touch to relieve yourself of your sexual tension then it's not a sin but rather a way to keep you from being tempted by sin sexually in other ways (Eph 5:3 (NIV) But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.)

We know that Sex was not created for this but the "that God allows masturbation to even work is a mystery (ever try tickling yourself?) and so it is reasonable to assume that it is a 'gift' to keep ourselves from temptation."

I've also read that the that the bible is not shy about talking about other sexual sins and since it doesn't talk about masturbation it must not have been a big deal. There is no place in scripture where masturbation is mentioned much less forbidden.

 

[Carl Carlson]

I do not want to continue in this debate any further. I will make a short statement so that my point of view will be heard in a loving manner.

Sam4u-
I disagree with your logic and your reasoning behind your claims of masturbation being pure and a fullfillment of God's love. I believe it to be heracy. I cannot condone this. It sounds to me like a justification of guilty pleasures to me. My love for God superceeds any selfish ambition or goal. I do not believe masturbation to exhibit love. It does not show love to God, it does not show love to my wife, my kids, my parents, or my neighbor. I am simply fullfilling my own sexual desires by doing it.

Romans 7:7-11, 14-21
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.

We know that our flesh craves sin, our sinful desire brings us to do things that God tells us are wrong. We can justify it if we want, but that doesn't change things come Judgement Day. Sin is sin and we will be judged for every thing, even our secret thought life will be exposed.

Psalm 90:8
You have set our iniquities before you, our secret sins in the light of your presence.

Your reference of Scripture in Leviticus refers to Levitical Law, keeping the travelling camp from uncleanliness. When you touch, do you wash up and stay outside your house for the day? If not, you are not following your own standard. If you feel this is pertaining only to sin, then you have condemned the entire world under itself. You must also offer sin sacrifices for your sin. Are you prepared to live an orthodox OT life to fullfill God's requirements? If you are using Leviticus 15 to justify your sin, you are not using the Law as it was intended.

1 Timothy 1:8-11
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

We know that Jesus said "Whoever looks at another woman with lust in his heart has commited adultery. Do you touch without sexual thoughts? Are you condoning all types of masturbation? You have opened Pandora's box with your justification. Is it OK for someone on the street to touch in front of your son or daughter? How about your grandmother? Does that seem sick? Why do you think it seems sick if it's so natural? Do you think it's OK for someone to touch a child? Or to encourage them to do so? Should we allow pornography? Shoud we touch in church? Where do you draw the line on your justification?

I wouldn't be quick to quote Song of Solomon. Someone writing a love song for a Savior and God shouldn't be taken out of context to justify your lust. Jesus had his own take on lust.

Matthew 5:27-30
"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

You've opened up and even encouraged sexual desires that God has condemned. Is it possible you have combined your love and sin into your love for sin? If it even looks like sin, we should stay far from it. Is it worth it?

 

[sam4u]

>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>I cannot justify what Jesus has condemned



*******sam4u reply*******Nowhere in the Bible no one condemn masturbation. Not Jesus and no 40 + writer. No one and no where.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>I do not want to continue in this debate any further.



*******sam4u reply*******Looks like you are continuing to me.







>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>Sam4u-

I disagree with your logic and your reasoning behind your claims of masturbation being pure and a fullfillment of God's love

*******sam4u reply*******Anyone can disagree, but I show clearly that masturbation in Lev 15: 16-18 is clearly not a sin at all. Others can see that also. All three wet dreams, masturbation, sex in marriage are all treated equally in Lev 15: 16-18, They should be treat equally today. The same actions, the same thoughts, same body parts in all three and none of it require any sin offering at all.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>. I believe it to be heracy



*******sam4u reply*******It is heresy to call something a sin that Lev 15: 16-18 clearly shows it is not a sin at all and nowhere in the Bible does it say that masturbation or emission of sperm is a sin. That is teaching the opposite of the Bible. Lev 15:16-18 is in clear context related to emission of sperm. No guess work at all.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>.. I cannot condone this. It sounds to me like a justification of guilty pleasures to me.



*******sam4u reply*******Masturbation is more guilty of anything then married people having partner sex. Lev 15:16-18 treads them the same. Not a sin at all. Total man made shame and guilt trip.





>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>.. My love for God superceeds any selfish ambition or goal.



*******sam4u reply*******masturbation is no more selfish then eating food or drinking water by your self. Or going to the toilet in private by yourself.





>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>I do not believe masturbation to exhibit love. It does not show love to God



*******sam4u reply*******we need to love other as we love we ourselves. Masturbation is loving yourself wishing you could love another and loving God for giving wonderful sexual gift with over 50 healthy benefit and making solo sex so much fun. All glory goes to God the designer.





>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> , it does not show love to my wife, my kids, my parents, or my neighbor. I am simply fullfilling my own sexual desires by doing it.



*******sam4u reply*******Does eating food by yourself show love to anyone else. That is no a require in everything. Some things in life are done solo, that is just the way it is.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> Romans 7:7-11, 14-21

7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.

11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.



*******sam4u reply*******Ro 7 is not against masturbation in any way. Lev 15:16-18 clearly shows it is not a sin and there is no law or command against masturbation and masturbation does not go against the law of love in any way.



Ro 13:9 - For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment – are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Here is good news for many people: private solo masturbation, which is sexual stimulation and release by one's self alone, is not a sin. There is no Scriptural basis for calling it a sin. The idea that it is a sin is pure "doctrine of man," not based on the Bible.







Sin is defined as "the transgression of God's law."



"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is

the transgression of the law." (1 John 3:4 KJV)





But private solo masturbation is not against God's law in any way. Therefore it is not a sin.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>We know that our flesh craves sin, our sinful desire brings us to do things that God tells us are wrong. We can justify it if we want, but that doesn't change things come Judgement Day. Sin is sin and we will be judged for every thing, even our secret thought life will be exposed.



*******sam4u reply*******Gen 1:31 God make human nature and said it was good. We add the sin principal part which is opposite of law of love. Masturbation is not a sin but a gift of God to all people with over 50 health benefit for all to enjoy. No where have you show that masturbation is a sin. Anti-masturbation say something a sin and then go to the Bible and find all the sin verses they can. Masturbation is not a sin. No one in all the Bible calls it a sin at all. No one, no where. On Judgement day anti-masturbation will have to stand before God and explain there misuse of the Bible and for calling something a sin that no one in all the Bible call it a sin. No one. Read Matt 23 this is what Jesus thought of the Pharisees that put heavy burdens on the people, just like anti-masturbation do.

 

[sam4u]

>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>

Psalm 90:8

You have set our iniquities before you, our secret sins in the light of your presence.



*******sam4u reply*******Masturbation is not a sin and is not a iniquity either.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>>

Your reference of Scripture in Leviticus refers to Levitical Law, keeping the travelling camp from uncleanliness. When you touch, do you wash up and stay outside your house for the day? If not, you are not following your own standard



*******sam4u reply*******I have said many times that we are not under the law. We are under the age of grace. I use Lev 15:16-18 to clearly show you that wet dreams, masturbation, sex with a partner did not require any sin offering of any kind under the law. Anti-masturbationist are the ones putting man made condemnation on people, that even the law never did.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> If you feel this is pertaining only to sin, then you have condemned the entire world under itself. You must also offer sin sacrifices for your sin. Are you prepared to live an orthodox OT life to fullfill God's requirements? If you are using Leviticus 15 to justify your sin, you are not using the Law as it was intended.



*******sam4u reply*******Masturbation is not a sin and is not a iniquity either.

*******sam4u reply*******I have said many times that we are not under the law. We are under the age of grace. I use Lev 15:16-18 to clearly show you that wet dreams, masturbation, sex with a partner did not require any sin offering of any kind under the law. Anti-masturbationist are the ones putting man made condemnation on people, that even the law never did. Masturbation is totally a Man made sin. Doctrine of men only. God gave solo masturbation to all people as a gift to enjoy it and get 50 health benefit and a more abundant life. Satan came to steal destroy and kill. And is a father of lies. Truth will set you free of the bondage of man made guilt trip.





>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> 1 Timothy 1:8-11

8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.



*******sam4u reply*******Not talking about masturbation at all.



>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> We know that Jesus said "Whoever looks at another woman with lust in his heart has commited adultery. Do you touch without sexual thoughts?



*******sam4u reply*******You take Mat 5:28-30 out of context and out of Bible culture and out out the situatation that was going on at the time. Most of of the Sermon on the mount was not even intented for Christians. We can see that The first 12 verses were to his disciple then after that we most was talking to the legalistic holier then thou Jewish leader that where trying to work there way to heaven.



In the Gospels Jesus was living under the law. He was a Rabbi with 12 students and other Rabbi would check in to heard what Jesus was teaching his disciples. Jesus talked totally different to the legalistic Jews then he talked to Close followers. When the Jewish leader were around they talked about the law. But when Jesus was alone with his Disciple he try to teach them about age of grace.



If you over look this fact then a lot of legalism will get into the church like it has. Many people over look this and are try to live under the law just because Jesus said it and ignore who Jesus was talking to. Who Jesus was talking to was very important to determine if he is talking about the law to holier then thou Jewish leader who were trying to caught Jesus saying something that was not in the law and accuse him so they could kill him for some heresy. That is what was going on in the Sermon on the mount. It started out with 12 and at the end there was a great number. Many were Jesus enemy trying to catch him saying something against the law.



You misunderstand Matt 5:28-30.



Masturbation, wet dreams and sex with your partner and the sexual thought involve is not adultery. If it was, it would have been a sin in Lev 15:16-19 and it was not. They had the same sexual thought that we would have today. You total misunderstand the context and situation of Mat 5:28-30. Loving Sexual fastases are not evil they are an important part of God sexual plan and without them God’s sexual plan would not even work at all.





>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> Are you condoning all types of masturbation? You have opened Pandora's box with your justification. Is it OK for someone on the street to touch in front of your son or daughter? How about your grandmother? Does that seem sick? Why do you think it seems sick if it's so natural? Do you think it's OK for someone to touch a child? Or to encourage them to do so? Should we allow pornography? Should we touch in church? Where do you draw the line on your justification?



*******sam4u reply*******Lev 15:16-18 is talking about solo masturbation. As far as any of the other things you mention you would have to apply the law of love and common sense. Romans talks about not offening others.









>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> I wouldn't be quick to quote Song of Solomon. Someone writing a love song for a Savior and God shouldn't be taken out of context to justify your lust. Jesus had his own take on lust.



*******sam4u reply*******SOS is about Solomon dating a girl friend he is trying to get her to marry him.





>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> Matthew 5:27-30

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.



*******sam4u reply*******I talked about this above in this post. Is this your new plan of salvation to avoid hell by cutting off body parts. This was not to his disciple but to the holier then thou Pharisees that would beat themselves up and cut themselves to punish themselves for any sin that they did accord to there doctrine of men. Jesus just did a one up on them by telling them why not just cut off all you body parts while you are at it.







>>>>>>>Carl Carlson said>>>>>>> You've opened up and even encouraged sexual desires that God has condemned. Is it possible you have combined your love and sin into your love for sin? If it even looks like sin, we should stay far from it. Is it worth it?



*******sam4u reply*******Masturbation is not a sin and God designed as a gift to all people to enjoy the 50 health benefits. Anti-masturbation in no way have show masturbation to be a sin anywhere in the whole Bible, but they call it a sin no matter what. Man made doctrine not from the Bible.

 

[christ_in_me]

What other animals touch? I'll also bet they don't feel guilty about it. And they probably don't enjoy it as much as we can.

I don't know if this was masturbation but I did see a gorilla playing with his ... hmmm at the zoo freely and openly and looking right at us. It was hilarious! lol

 

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

dolphins touch, apparently...

 

[Carl Carlson]

I can't listen to your rhetoric anymore, Sam4u. The reason I said that I did not want to debate this further is that it seems you are just goating a reaction out of me, spouting the same rhetoric continually. I'm walking away from this post, because I cannot currently spend this much time posting on it to properly reply to you. Even if I did, you would continue to post the same replies, consistenly avoiding questions that I ask. I couldn't allow your post to go unresponded to. I tried to post in a loving manner and I fear any further posts would be difficult to excercise Christian love. There is only so many times I can hear the same three phrases to answer every question.

I can only say that I will pray for you and anyone who reads this that they will not be blinded and fall away. The last thing I ever want to do is lead someone away from God. I will stay far from the things that God wants me to stay away from, especially from sexual sin and I pray that God will lead the rest of us away from it too. Amen.

Job 31:1-12
1 "I made a covenant with my eyes
not to look lustfully at a girl.
2 For what is man's lot from God above,
his heritage from the Almighty on high?
3 Is it not ruin for the wicked,
disaster for those who do wrong?
4 Does he not see my ways
and count my every step?

5 "If I have walked in falsehood
or my foot has hurried after deceit-
6 let God weigh me in honest scales
and he will know that I am blameless-
7 if my steps have turned from the path,
if my heart has been led by my eyes,
or if my hands have been defiled,
8 then may others eat what I have sown,
and may my crops be uprooted.

9 "If my heart has been enticed by a woman,
or if I have lurked at my neighbor's door,
10 then may my wife grind another man's grain,
and may other men sleep with her.
11 For that would have been shameful,
a sin to be judged.
12 It is a fire that burns to Destruction;
it would have uprooted my harvest.

 

[sam4u]

I
Job 31:1-12
.

Job was about Job loosing everything and his friends are trying to say he must have sin in some way because he is being punish by God. And Job is try to come up with every thing and anything that he can think of. There are no commandment and no rule book at Job's time and he is just guessing of anything. This is not a doctrine book by no means.

Job is no a law writer. He would give a burn offering to God after every one of their parties just in case they did anything that might have displease God in any way.

He is totally guessing and hoping he does nothing to offend God or anyone. This word are not law or any command to us in any way. He is not a prophet in any way. He is hoping and guessing and just telling his friend he can't think or guess of anything of why God is punishing him.

guarding his eye is not any command from God in any way. That is man made rule that Job make for himself alone.

Taken out of context and has nothing to do with masturbation at all. Not any commanment for us to follower.

We are under one law the law of love. the whole law is fulfiled in that we love other as we love ourself.

 

[zek]

hmm

touching yourself:
Main Entry: mas·tur·ba·tion
Pronunciation: "mas-t&r-'bA-sh&n
Function: noun
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies called also onanism, self-abuse

Love
A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.

Lust
lust
n.

1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.

sinful longing; the inward sin which leads to the falling away from God (Rom.
1:21). "Lust, the origin of sin, has its place in the heart, not of necessity,
but because it is the centre of all moral forces and impulses and of spiritual
activity." In Mark 4:19 "lusts" are objects of desire.


Of the definitions of Love and Lust, which does touching yourself sound most like? hmmm...You don't even need the Bible to see the difference there do you?

Confusing Love with Lust is much more apparent in your arguments.

What God Says about Lust:
See your answer about Matt 5:28 to Pharisees/Jewish Leaders...if it was a sin for them why would God not consider it sin for Christians as well?


Trust me I used to believe what you said until I almost lost my marriage over it. I pray that no one is lead astray by your deceptive comments.

The Holy Spirit convicts us for a reason. If you even have to ask if it is wrong....come on...Your just looking for an excuse to make you feel better inside. I justified it for a while...but in the end, it will ruin any relationships you will ever have. For the very fact it is not relationship oriented! It is devoid of what a relationship is made up of: Emotional intamacy, selflessNESS and sacraficial love. None of those line up with Masturbation.

LUST ALWAYS DEMANDS MORE! Masturbation does not show true love to God, or to anyone around you...or even yourself. Masturbation only pleases one person.. your self, that sound like...well like selfishness....also Masturbation isn't a necessity of life. Trust me you can live more then a week without masturbating. I am sure that is hard to think about but it is true. To compare it to a basic necessity of life is not very wise argument.

What does Sexual Purity mean in your life?

In mine it means a absense of inappropriate thoughts or behaviors in any form. That is because when you become a follower of Christ he calls us to a new way to live that resembles his purpose and love for us. (1 Corinthians 9:26-27)

God Bless

 

[servant less than worthy]

hmm

touching yourself:
Main Entry: mas·tur·ba·tion
Pronunciation: "mas-t&r-'bA-sh&n
Function: noun
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies called also onanism, self-abuse

Love
A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.

Lust
lust
n.

1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.

sinful longing; the inward sin which leads to the falling away from God (Rom.
1:21). "Lust, the origin of sin, has its place in the heart, not of necessity,
but because it is the centre of all moral forces and impulses and of spiritual
activity." In Mark 4:19 "lusts" are objects of desire.


Of the definitions of Love and Lust, which does touching yourself sound most like? hmmm...You don't even need the Bible to see the difference there do you?

Confusing Love with Lust is much more apparent in your arguments.

What God Says about Lust:
See your answer about Matt 5:28 to Pharisees/Jewish Leaders...if it was a sin for them why would God not consider it sin for Christians as well?


Trust me I used to believe what you said until I almost lost my marriage over it. I pray that no one is lead astray by your deceptive comments.

The Holy Spirit convicts us for a reason. If you even have to ask if it is wrong....come on...Your just looking for an excuse to make you feel better inside. I justified it for a while...but in the end, it will ruin any relationships you will ever have. For the very fact it is not relationship oriented! It is devoid of what a relationship is made up of: Emotional intamacy, selflessNESS and sacraficial love. None of those line up with Masturbation.

LUST ALWAYS DEMANDS MORE! Masturbation does not show true love to God, or to anyone around you...or even yourself. Masturbation only pleases one person.. your self, that sound like...well like selfishness....also Masturbation isn't a necessity of life. Trust me you can live more then a week without masturbating. I am sure that is hard to think about but it is true. To compare it to a basic necessity of life is not very wise argument.

What does Sexual Purity mean in your life?

In mine it means a absense of inappropriate thoughts or behaviors in any form. That is because when you become a follower of Christ he calls us to a new way to live that resembles his purpose and love for us. (1 Corinthians 9:26-27)

God Bless

Great post, Zek!

You clearly defined the difference between love and lust, an incredibly important point. To love is to sacrifice of ourselves, not to indulge in sexually gratifying acts to please ourselves.

You have made some great points to clear the air on the argument and shed light on God's design and purpose. Great job.

God bless you all.

 

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

What about if I'm showing my (as yet unknown) husband love by letting him touch when I'm too tired?

If he's not going to get to sleep because he's 'frisky', I think I'm acting out of love by suggesting he get rid of the urge - he can still do it while holding me and thinking of me.

I think in that instance, and in instances when I'm away that masturbation is ok.

I'm still unsure of unmarried masturbation - when you're a little kid and 'exploring' I don't think it's all that bad - but I think that if you have no 'married' way of relieving it, then you need to focus your mind elsewhere at that time.

When you're married, and alone or the other partner is too tired, I would tend to find it ok to utilise. That is, of course, unless I knew that there was a porn/lust problem going on.

Sasch

 

[christ_in_me]

I wrote on this topic a few days ago defending masturbation but I was doing a bible study today and the topic is "When a practice is not included in what God has authorized, should we participate in it or not?" (The following was taken from a website with a list of bible study topics.) 2 Peter 1:3 tell us that the scriptures provide us to do every good work. “His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.” The question is what about those acts that the bible does not discuss, in this case, masturbation. We have to remember that ‘Only Divine Authority, not Human Authority, Is Acceptable in Religion.’

The Bible teaches about five main things.
I. The Bible teaches us Wisdom:
Isaiah 55:8,9 8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD. 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

Jeremiah 10:23
23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own;
it is not for man to direct his steps.

These verses teach us that God’s thoughts and ways are different from ours. His thoughts and His ways are higher than ours. They surpass and go far beyond our thoughts and ways. We have limited knowledge of our own ways. We are mere mortals and we don’t have what it takes to direct our lives or our paths. ‘Ways that seem right to men may result in spiritual death’. Revelations 22:18,19 “18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”

II. The Bible teaches us about Worship:

We must worship in spirit and in truth John 4:24 “24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." But remember all truth is revealed in God’s word. John 17:17; 16:13 “17Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.” “13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.”
Matt 15:9,13 teaches us that living by man’s doctrine, is worshiping God in vain. “9They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[1] "13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.”



III. The Bible teaches us about Love:
Matthew 22:37 “37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” John 14:15 “15"If you love me, you will obey what I command.” 1 John 5:3 “3This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.” So basically Love leads us to keep God’s commands. What does this have to do with masturbation? When we follow human doctrines, are we showing love for God or for man? ‘Does a man show love for his wife if he gets her a power tool for her birthday because he wants it? When people defend their practices by saying, “I think it’s beautiful”, or “We’re satisfied with it,” who are they showing love for?

IV. The bible teaches about Faith:
Hebrew 11:6 says that it is impossible to please God without faith. Here are some other verses on faith. 2 Corinthians 5:7 “We live by faith, not by sight.” Romans 10:17 “17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.” Proverbs 3:5-6 “5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding; 6 in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.” We show our trust in God by trying to figure things out on our own but by letting God’s voice keep lead us in everything we do, think or say.

THINK: ‘If our practices are not in the Bible, are we placing our trust in God or in man?’

V. And lastly the Bible teaches us about Authority

Galatians 1:8-9 “8Let me be blunt: If one of us--even if an angel from heaven! -Were to preach something other than what we preached originally, let him be cursed. 9I said it once; I'll say it again: If anyone, regardless of reputation or credentials, preaches something other than what you received originally, let him be cursed.”

2 John 1:9 “9Anyone who gets so progressive in his thinking that he walks out on the teaching of Christ, walks out on God. But whoever stays with the teaching, stays faithful to both the Father and the Son.”

Be careful not to make a conclusion on your own and then pass it on as God’s word! ‘Remember that all God’s teachings are found in the Scripture. God did not intend for His word to itemize everything we should or should not practice. Rather, if an act is not included in what He said to do, He expects us to not practice it. We should not ask, “Where does God forbid this act?” but rather “Where does God tell us to do this act?”

Check out these bible verses as well Colossians 3:17; 2:8; 1 Peter 4:11; 1 Corinthians 4:6; 2 Corinthians 10:18; and 1 Timothy 1:3

 

[Crispie]

wwjd

 

[sam4u]

>>>>>>.christ_in_me>>>>>>> "When a practice is not included in what God has authorized, should we participate in it or not?" (The following was taken from a website with a list of bible study topics.) 2 Peter 1:3 tell us that the scriptures provide us to do every good work. “His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.” The question is what about those acts that the bible does not discuss, in this case, masturbation.


******Sam4u reply *******Just because the word masturbation is not in the Bible does not mean that masturbation action is not in the Bible.

Wet dreams, masturbation and sex with a partner are covered in detail in Lev 15: 16-18 and clearly no sin offering is require at all. All three are tread equally.

Today most everyone would conclude that wet dream and sex in marriage are not a sin and a gift from God.

In Lev 15: 16-18 all three are treaded the same, all three would use the same body parts and all three would include sexual fantasies or what other misuse term as sexual lust. All three should be give the same respect today as it was back then accept today they are all declared clean under the age of grace, that we are in today. We have more liberty today then they had in the age of the law, not less.

Lev 15 clearly shows that masturbation, wet dreams, and sex with a partner was not a sin then and under the age of grace it is not a sin today at all.

All three have many sexual fantasies which are normal and healthy and not evil. People totally misuse the word lust and take it out of Bible context and Bible culture. Matt 5:28-30 is greatly misused and taken out of Bible context and from these misuse terms and verse people condemn sexuality and sexual fantasies which is part of God sexual design and God say was very good. If you say it is bad you are going against God sexual design and Saying God design is bad. God said it was very good.

Don't foorce your and others sexual hang ups into the Bible by takeing thing out of context of the Bible culture and times.

There is clear Bible history that the earlier Church Building was connect to the Nude bath houses of the day. Just think if today your local Church building was connected to a nudist resort. All the nude hung up people would have a major fit. Most sport rans were done in the nude in the Bible days. They fished in the nude and did other work in the nude. They did not have all the many cloth we have today. They were lucky to have one or two pair of cloths in the Bible days. Jesus most walked around in his beding sheets with little little or no cloth. Even today the "holy men in India walk around 100% nude to denoun worldly things.

Many people totally take the Bible out of the Bible culture of Bible time and come up with wrong conclusions about nudity and sexuality. They change sex word terms to be wrong definitions that don't even fit in all the Bible. Word like fornication and adultery they don't use the definition the way the Bible used.

They misuse the word lust and take it out of context. Just because you read Bible word you change the means from how it was intented to be used in the Bible day and Bible times.

In Bible days most of lust was related to lust after the sex ferlitity deity god. In Cornith alone there were 1000 to 2000 ferlitity goddless temple prostitutes that would go out and sexually seduce people to come in and have free sex in the temple and they promise as a results they would get good farm crops.

This was the major problem in both the OT and NT of the Bible days. Compare Number 25 1-9 and cor 10:8 Shows clearly a major problem in Both OT and in the NT times.

God designed human nature and say it was very good. We added the unloving sin principal part. We if Adam and Eve never sinned we still would have alot of sex and sexual fantasies and "lusty" sex. Sexual fantasies are very important part of God sexual plan and with out them God sexual design would not even work. Did the animal sin against God? NO. Do the animal have sex? Yes all kinds of ways but they don't have all the man made brainwashing. Maybe that why they don't understand peole we would end up puting a man made shame and guilt trip on all the animal like they do with people. Animal don't have shame and guilt over nudity or sexuality. We are the one all hung up over nudity and sex. God put human in the garden100% nude and said go have lots of sex. God put animals in the garden 100% nude and program them by intinst. God make human nature and said it was good. we added the unloving and unkind part called the sin principal part.

God Way are not our ways. God way was for all people to walk around 100% nude with no shame or guilt. But man ways are to cover up and hide and be ful of shame and guilt. God said his sexual plan is very good. But man way is to bad mouth God's sexual plan and belittle it. God show in Lev 15: 16-18 show that masturbation , wet dreams, and sex with a partner was not a sin at all. But man way are to take every verse they can to condemn them and condemn others for being normal. God plan is to enjoy God sexual design as an enjoyable gift and not be ful of man made shame and guilt trip.

 

[sam4u]

wwjd

The problem with that is people forget that Jesus lived under tha law in the age of the law. A lot of word Jesus say was about the Law to the Pharisees that were watching him to try to trap him.

We live under the age of Grace with a lot more liberty then Jesus had. So if you only read Jesus word with out knowing who he is talking to and why you may become very legalistic and live like you are under the Law, which we are not.

Most of the sermon on the mount was to pharisee under the Law. (not to Christans) Matt 5:28-30 was to Pharrisees who were under the law trying to worh there way to heaven. When Jesus talked about the law most times it was to Pharisees, not intend for Christian under the age of grace.

 

[Rebirth In Flames]

So what your saying is that we can pick and choose what we want to follow in the bible since we're saved by grace and it really doesn't matter anymore? Blasphemy. It's a lot easier that way, I'll hand that to you.. less sacrifice.. I know a lot of liberal-Christians who would agree with you.

 

[sam4u]

>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>

Isaiah 55:8,9 8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,"

declares the LORD. 9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”



*******Sam4u reply****** God way was to command Isaiah to walk around 100% nude for 3 whole years. Man ways is to pass laws that put people in Jail if they walking around nude. Gods Ways are not our ways. God way was for all people to walk around 100% nude with no shame or guilt. But man ways are to cover up and hide and be full of shame and guilt.



God said his sexual plan is very good. But man way is to bad mouth God's sexual plan and belittle it as if it is not holy. God show in Lev 15: 16-18 that masturbation , wet dreams, and sex with a partner was not a sin at all. But man ways are to take every verse they can out of context to condemn themselves and condemn others for being sexually normal. Gods plan is to enjoy Gods sexual design as an enjoyable gift with 50 health benefits and not be ful of man made shame and guilt trip.









>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>Jeremiah 10:23

23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own;

it is not for man to direct his steps.

*******Sam4u reply****** God designed human nature and say it was very good. Gen 1:31 We added the unloving sin principal part. "the whole law is fulfil in love other as you love yourselves. if Adam and Eve never sinned, we still would have alot of sex and sexual fantasies and "lusty" sex. Sexual fantasies are very important part of God sexual plan and with out them God sexual design would not even work.

Did the animal sin against God? NO. Do the animal have sex? Yes all kinds of ways but they don't have all the man made brainwashing of shame and guilt. Maybe thats why they don't understand people languages, we would end up puting a man made shame and guilt trip on all the animal like they do with people.

Animal don't have shame and guilt over nudity or sexuality. We are the ones all hung up over nudity and sex. God put human in the garden100% nude and said go have lots of sex. God put animals in the garden 100% nude and program them by intinst. God make human nature and said it was good. we added the unloving and unkind part called the sin principal part. God's design human nature part is still very good.





>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>> ‘Ways that seem right to men may result in spiritual death’.

*******Sam4u reply******God designed sexuality and said it is very good. Men condemn sexuality as being to lusty and unholy for them. The put down Gods sexual design. If you avoid sex and masturbation that could lead to cancer and death.



>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>

Revelations 22:18,19 “18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”

*******Sam4u reply******Lev 15: 16-18 clearly show masturbation, wet dreams, and sex with a partner is not a sin at all. And not one person in all the Bible using terms like in Lev 15: 16-18 said that they were a sin in any way.

But anti-masturbation add words to the Bible by tasking it out of context of Bible days. This is adding to the Bible say something is a sin when it is not.









>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>We must worship in spirit and in truth John 4:24 “24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." But remember all truth is revealed in God’s word.



*******Sam4u reply******Truth is that no where in the Bible masturbation is a sin. No where. Many medical Lies have been exposed about masturbation. Many verses taken out of the Bible and become a lie from its misuse.





>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>> John 17:17; 16:13 “17Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.” “13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.”

*******Sam4u reply******masturbation is a man made braining sin of shame and guilt. Doctrine of men only. Titus 1:15 unto the pure all thing are pure… Paul said all thing are lawful to me.



>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>> Matt 15:9,13 teaches us that living by man’s doctrine, is worshiping God in vain. “9They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[1] "13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.”

*******Sam4u reply******anti-masturbation is a man made guilt trip only. No where in the Bible does it say it is a sin. Nowhere. It is a Doctrine of man.





>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>III. The Bible teaches us about Love:

Matthew 22:37 “37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” John 14:15 “15"If you love me, you will obey what I command.” 1 John 5:3 “3This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.” So basically Love leads us to keep God’s commands. What does this have to do with masturbation? When we follow human doctrines, are we showing love for God or for man? ‘Does a man show love for his wife if he gets her a power tool for her birthday because he wants it? When people defend their practices by saying, “I think it’s beautiful”, or “We’re satisfied with it,” who are they showing love for?

*******Sam4u reply******Love others as you love yourselves. Masturbation is loving yourself wishing you could loving another and loving God for giving wonderful fun gifts of sexuality for all to ejoy and get 50 health benefits.



The opposite is hating yourself and beating yourselves up every time you touch, hating God for giving you a sex drive and praise satan for defeating you and hating God for not giving you victory over masturbation. Then go around hating and condemning others for enjoying Gods gift of masturbation to them and to enjoy the 50 health benefits. This is the opposite of love.





>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>> We show our trust in God by trying to figure things out on our own but by letting God’s voice keep lead us in everything we do, think or say.

*******Sam4u reply******Satan in Mat 4 tempted Jesus by taking verses out of context. Anti-masturbation take a lot of verses out of context and ignor Bible culture and Bible history to understand correct context. Just like Satan did in Mat 4 trying to mislead Jesus by using the Bible verses out of context and tread Jesus like he is lacking faith. But in Matt 4 there was not sexual temptation at all. Why not? Jesus was a male like others?



>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>THINK: ‘If our practices are not in the Bible, are we placing our trust in God or in man?’



*******Sam4u reply******Acts 10 God told Peter don’t call unclean that God called clean. Or don’t call a sin that God did not say it was a sin. No where in the Bible masturbation is sin. NO where.







>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>Galatians 1:8-9 “8Let me be blunt: If one of us--even if an angel from heaven! -Were to preach something other than what we preached originally, let him be cursed. 9I said it once; I'll say it again: If anyone, regardless of reputation or credentials, preaches something other than what you received originally, let him be cursed.”

*******Sam4u reply******Gal was about Christian liberty and some of the Christain Jews wanted to apply some of the legalistic law things back up on them. Paul say all things are lawful to me.

Anti-masturbation want to say masturbation is a sin when not even the Law called it a sin. And the NT not a sin neither. We have more liberty in the age of grace not less. Anti-masturbation by misusing verse and take them out of context want to condemn all for been sexually normal about something that was not even a sin in the OT.



>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>Be careful not to make a conclusion on your own and then pass it on as God’s word! ‘Remember that all God’s teachings are found in the Scripture. God did not intend for His word to itemize everything we should or should not practice.



*******Sam4u reply******God did itemize almost every thing in Lev and masturbation is in Lev 15: 16-18 and it is not a sin at all.





>>>>>>>christ_in_me said >>>>>>>>

Rather, if an act is not included in what He said to do, He expects us to not practice it. We should not ask, “Where does God forbid this act?” but rather “Where does God tell us to do this act?”

*******Sam4u reply******God said love others as you love yourself. If you don’t understand your solo sexuality, how are you going to understand anyone elses.? If you beat yourself up over your solo sexuality , how are you going to treat others? If you condemn your sexuality you will end up condemning others.

 

[Walker-Texas-Ranger]

Jackin off is for sure a sin. Just think of the character of God. Do you really think that He would, "ok" something so dirty and so selfish? No way.

 

[Ceris]

I have posted in this thread before with my own spriptural support for why I view masturbation leads to sin. If you wish to find it, you can always run a search of this thread. However, I feel there are some things that have been said that need to be refuted. I do not to attack any member, but to refute what I believe to be a wrong interpretation.

God said his sexual plan is very good.

I do not know the scripture for this, but yes, his sexual plan is good.

but man way is to bad mouth God's sexual plan and belittle it as if it is not holy.

Yes, this is sometimes true.

God show in Lev 15: 16-18 that masturbation , wet dreams, and sex with a partner was not a sin at all.[/QUOTE}

Leviticus 15:16-18 is as follows (NIV): "When a man has an emission of sperm, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has sperm on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of sperm, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening."

This merely states what a man must do when he emits sperm. This verse alone neither condems not commends masturbation or pre-marital or extra-marital sex. To claim that it says that sex with a partner (sex outside of marriage) is not a sin, to claim this is false.

But man ways are to take every verse they can out of context to condemn themselves and condemn others for being sexually normal. Gods plan is to enjoy Gods sexual design as an enjoyable gift with 50 health benefits and not be ful of man made shame and guilt trip.

What do you mean by normal? If you mean what is considered normal by the world, well then yes that is wrong. Lying, stealing, cheating, drunkeness: all these things are considered normal by the world, but we are told not to commit these sins. (If you believe that any of these are not sins, well, that's another topic). Yes men do take verses out of context and yes men can use verses of the Bible to "support" their wrongful agendas. One such example is using the Bible to try and "support" hate against others. And what are these 50 health benefits? I keep hearing about these supposed 50 health benefits that masturbation provides, but I have never seen a single example given.

God designed human nature and say it was very good. Gen 1:31

According to Genesis 1:31, "God saw all that he had made and it was very good." This is true. But this was on the 6th day, before the fall of Adam, before man sinned.

We added the unloving sin principal part. "the whole law is fulfil in love other as you love yourselves.

Wrong. The whole law is not fufilled in love others as you love yourself. The real verse is this: One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:35-40)

The greatest commandment is Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all you soul and all you mind. Remember, Christ said "If you love me, you will obey what I command." (John 14:15).

Did the animal sin against God? NO. Do the animal have sex? Yes all kinds of ways but they don't have all the man made brainwashing of shame and guilt. Maybe thats why they don't understand people languages, we would end up puting a man made shame and guilt trip on all the animal like they do with people.

Animal don't have shame and guilt over nudity or sexuality. We are the ones all hung up over nudity and sex.

Men are NOT animals. There is no point in comparing men to animals when it comes to sin and God's commandments.

God put human in the garden100% nude and said go have lots of sex.

No. This is not what God said. Read Genesis 2:15-17: The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

God put animals in the garden 100% nude and program them by intinst.

Yes, this is true. And animals are still nude to this day. However, once again, men are NOT animals.

God make human nature and said it was good. we added the unloving and unkind part called the sin principal part. God's design human nature part is still very good.

God created Adam and Eve on the 6th day and saw that what he made was good. What God did not create is sin. Sin is disobeying God. Adam and Eve sinned when they ate the fruit by doing what God told them not to do. I have no idea what you mean by the sin pricipal part. How God designed humans is good. However, sin has corrupted human nature.

God designed sexuality and said it is very good. Men condemn sexuality as being to lusty and unholy for them. The put down Gods sexual design.

What man condems as being unholy and sinful is lust. You can research this on your own, but not once does the Bible ever talk about lust is a good way.

Lev 15: 16-18 clearly show masturbation, wet dreams, and sex with a partner is not a sin at all. And not one person in all the Bible using terms like in Lev 15: 16-18 said that they were a sin in any way.

I already covered this.

But anti-masturbation add words to the Bible by tasking it out of context of Bible days. This is adding to the Bible say something is a sin when it is not.

Colossians 3:5 says "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry." How is this taking it out of context of Bible days?

Truth is that no where in the Bible masturbation is a sin. No where.

True. Nowhere does it say in the Bible "masturbation is a sin". But it also nowhere says "masturbation".

Many medical Lies have been exposed about masturbation. Many verses taken out of the Bible and become a lie from its misuse

Yes, many medical lies have been exposed about masturbation, such as "not masturbating will lead to death".

masturbation is a man made braining sin of shame and guilt. Doctrine of men only. Titus 1:15 unto the pure all thing are pure… Paul said all thing are lawful to me

Titus 1:15 says: To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. However, Romans 3:23 says for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God If one has fallen short of the glory of God, then one is not pure.

anti-masturbation is a man made guilt trip only. No where in the Bible does it say it is a sin. Nowhere. It is a Doctrine of man.

I've gone over this already.

Love others as you love yourselves. Masturbation is loving yourself wishing you could loving another and loving God for giving wonderful fun gifts of sexuality for all to ejoy and get 50 health benefits.

Love others as you love yourself. This is true. Masturbation is not loving yourself wishing you could love another. Masturbation is sexually pleasing yourself to sastify your own lust. Let me be perfectly clear on this: LUST IS NOT LOVE. And once again, what is this 50 health benefits?

The opposite is hating yourself and beating yourselves up every time you touch, hating God for giving you a sex drive and praise satan for defeating you and hating God for not giving you victory over masturbation. Then go around hating and condemning others for enjoying Gods gift of masturbation to them and to enjoy the 50 health benefits. This is the opposite of love.

Ok, I am really confused by whay you are trying to say in that run on sentence. I'll answer your 2nd sentence however. The opposite of love is hate. Pure and simple.

Satan in Mat 4 tempted Jesus by taking verses out of context. Anti-masturbation take a lot of verses out of context and ignor Bible culture and Bible history to understand correct context. Just like Satan did in Mat 4 trying to mislead Jesus by using the Bible verses out of context and tread Jesus like he is lacking faith. But in Matt 4 there was not sexual temptation at all. Why not? Jesus was a male like others?

Satan tempted Jesus in Matthew 4 with power, not taking verses out of context. You cannot tempt someone with verses out of context. I mean how does that sound? "I was tempted by out of context verses". As for why Satan didn't try to tempt Christ with sexual temptations, I have no idea. Nor do I get your point in bringing that question up.

Acts 10 God told Peter don’t call unclean that God called clean. Or don’t call a sin that God did not say it was a sin. No where in the Bible masturbation is sin. NO where.

The part you are referring to is this: It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." (Acts 10:12-15). Two things here: 1) What Peter is calling unclean is the animals. This had to do with the OT laws of clean and unlcean animals. 2)God has never called masturbation clean, so this point is moot.

Gal was about Christian liberty and some of the Christain Jews wanted to apply some of the legalistic law things back up on them. Paul say all things are lawful to me.

That still doesn't change what is said in Galatians 1:8-9. As for Paul saying all things are lawful, that is impossible. God has a written law. One such example is this: Do not murder. If all things were lawful, then it would be lawful to commit murder. But God in his law says, Do not murder. You see? The idea that all things are lawful is an impossiblity.

Anti-masturbation want to say masturbation is a sin when not even the Law called it a sin. And the NT not a sin neither. We have more liberty in the age of grace not less. Anti-masturbation by misusing verse and take them out of context want to condemn all for been sexually normal about something that was not even a sin in the OT.

Allright. First of all, I agree that masturbation is never called a sin in the Bible. In fact, masturbation is never mentioned in the bible. However, we are told to put our lust to death (look at the passage I provided earlier). You say we have more liberty in the age of grace. This doesn't make it right for us to sin. As for that last sentece, you've said that already and so I've already gone over it.

God did itemize almost every thing in Lev and masturbation is in Lev 15: 16-18 and it is not a sin at all

I've gone over this before. Leviticus 15:16-18 does not mention masturbation. It talks about when a man has an emmission of sperm. That is it. One can have an emmision of sperm without masturbating. It's called sexual intercourse.

God said love others as you love yourself. If you don’t understand your solo sexuality, how are you going to understand anyone elses.? If you beat yourself up over your solo sexuality , how are you going to treat others? If you condemn your sexuality you will end up condemning others.

I have no idea of what you're getting at here.

Once again, this is mean as a loving rebuke, not an attack.

God Bless,
Ceris

 

[sam4u]

****** Sam4u said quota******

God show in Lev 15: 16-18 that masturbation , wet dreams, and sex with a partner was not a sin at all.[/QUOTE}

>>>>>>Ceris reply>>>>>>

Leviticus 15:16-18 is as follows (NIV): "When a man has an emission of sperm, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has sperm on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of sperm, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening."



This merely states what a man must do when he emits sperm. This verse alone neither condems not commends masturbation ……



*******Sam4u reply ******Lev 15: 16-18 talks about solo emission of sperm and partner sex emission of sperm. This is a simple description of solo masturbation and solo wet dream by the term we use today. (survey show only 7% males have wet dreams and 94% touch) To be consistence with the context of the text, sex with a partner, would be partner sex and the other is solo sex, which would include masturbation and wet dreams. All three would include sexual fantasies and sexual desire.







>>>>>>Ceris said>>>>>>And what are these 50 health benefits? I keep hearing about these supposed 50 health benefits that masturbation provides, but I have never seen a single example given.



*********Sam4u reply ********Do a yahoo.com web site search on 50 health Advantages benefits, of masturbation.

















>>>>>>Ceris said>>>>>>According to Genesis 1:31, "God saw all that he had made and it was very good." This is true. But this was on the 6th day, before the fall of Adam, before man sinned.

*********Sam4u reply ********God make human nature, which included our sexuality, sex drives, include sexual fantasies which are a very important part of sexuality , with out it God sexual plan would not even work. God said it was very good. We add the sin principal part of being unloving, unkind, not loving God, not loving others as we love ourselves.





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We added the unloving sin principal part. "the whole law is fulfil in love other as you love yourselves.











>>>>>>Ceris said>>>>>>Wrong. The whole law is not fufilled in love others as you love yourself.



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Ro 13:8

Pay all your debts, except the debt of love for others. You can never finish paying that! If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill all the requirements of God's law.



Ga 5:14

For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Jas 2:12

So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free.



Ro 13:9

For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment – are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Ro 13:10

Love does no wrong to anyone, so love satisfies all of God's requirements.

2Jo 1:6

Love means doing what God has commanded us, and he has commanded us to love one another, just as you heard from the beginning.



Jas 2:8

Yes indeed, it is good when you truly obey our Lord's royal command found in the Scriptures: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

12 So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free.



Eph 5:28

In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man is actually loving himself when he loves his wife.



Eph 5:33

So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.



1Ti 1:5

The purpose of my instruction is that all the Christians there would be filled with love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and sincere faith.







James 2:8-13

8 Yes indeed, it is good when you truly obey our Lord's royal command found in the Scriptures: "Love your neighbor as yourself." F7



9 But if you pay special attention to the rich, you are committing a sin, for you are guilty of breaking that law.



10 And the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as the person who has broken all of God's laws.



11 For the same God who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." F8 So if you murder someone, you have broken the entire law, even if you do not commit adultery.



12 So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free.



13 For there will be no mercy for you if you have not been merciful to others. But if you have been merciful, then God's mercy toward you will win out over his judgment against you.



1Pe 4:8

Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins.



1Jo 2:7

Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment, for it is an old one you have always had, right from the beginning. This commandment – to love one another – is the same message you heard before.



1Jo 3:10

So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the Devil. Anyone who does not obey God's commands and does not love other Christians does not belong to God.



1Jo 3:11

This is the message we have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.



1Jo 3:23

And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us.