Is man naturally good . . .

[honey badger]

it also says He is without sin, which is unlike us. cherry picking Scripture verses doesn’t work on the Orthodox subforum.

plus, it seems you are assuming I think sin is a thing.

hold on a minute there ... you state we are all born sinners, to which i said according to this reasoning this would include Jesus to which you then stated it was different for him, to which i gave a verse showing that he was made like us in all things and therefor not different for him ....

so according to your logic what are the sins of day old babies ?

 

[ArmyMatt]

hold on a minute there ... you state we are all born sinners, to which i said according to this reasoning this would include Jesus to which you then stated it was different for him, to which i gave a verse showing that he was made like us in all things and therefor not different for him ....

so according to your logic what are the sins of day old babies ?

if you knew what sin meant in Greek, and what that implies, you wouldn’t ask such a question.

 

[honey badger]

if you knew what sin meant in Greek, and what that implies, you wouldn’t ask such a question.

hmmm ... so you can not provide any scripture for your theory and then when i provide a scripture showing emphatically your theory is found wanting you throw out the cherry picking card ... add to this its you doing all the assuming of what you think i know and what you think i don't know ...

so again what sins do day old babies commit ?

 

[ArmyMatt]

hmmm ... so you can not provide any scripture for your theory and then when i provide a scripture showing emphatically your theory is found wanting you throw out the cherry picking card ... add to this its you doing all the assuming of what you think i know and what you think i don't know ...

so again what sins do day old babies commit ?

I actually did provide Scripture earlier. and, again, the fact that you are asking what sins a baby commits shows you don’t know what sin means in Greek.

 

[honey badger]

I actually did provide Scripture earlier. and, again, the fact that you are asking what sins a baby commits shows you don’t know what sin means in Greek.

you have not posted any scripture in reply to me in support of your theory ...


its interesting that you believe we are born sinners, yet can not even name one sin a day old baby commits ...

 

[Lukaris]

Here is a link re the innocence of infants, a blessed state of those who tragically die, and also why infants are still to be baptized.

ASK AN ORTHODOX PRIEST

 

[ArmyMatt]

you have not posted any scripture in reply to me in support of your theory ...


its interesting that you believe we are born sinners, yet can not even name one sin a day old baby commits ...

no, I did a while back.

and again, if you knew what sin meant in Greek, you would already know you’re not wording your question about babies properly.

 

[honey badger]

no, I did a while back.

and again, if you knew what sin meant in Greek, you would already know you’re not wording your question about babies properly.

post number ...

 

[ArmyMatt]

post number ...

this thread is only 2 pages, I am sure you can find it.

 

[honey badger]

this thread is only 2 pages, I am sure you can find it.

there is no verse that states that Jesus was any different from the rest of us and for this reason you can not post one, otherwise you would have done so by now ...

 

[ArmyMatt]

there is no verse that states that Jesus was any different from the rest of us and for this reason you can not post one, otherwise you would have done so by now ...

yeah, I did. it’s the only one I mentioned.

 

[honey badger]

yeah, I did. it’s the only one I mentioned.

so according to your theology of John 1 Jesus did not come in the likeness of sinful man and was not numbered with the transgressors and did not share in our humanity ...

 

[ArmyMatt]

so according to your theology of John 1 Jesus did not come in the likeness of sinful man and was not numbered with the transgressors and did not share in our humanity ...

He came in the likeness of man, was numbered with the transgressors, and did share in our humanity.

 

[honey badger]

He came in the likeness of man, was numbered with the transgressors, and did share in our humanity.

... and he was made like his brothers in all things,

 

[ArmyMatt]

... and he was made like his brothers in all things,

this assumes sin is a thing. if you knew what sin means in Greek….

 

[honey badger]

this assumes sin is a thing. if you knew what sin means in Greek….

we are born into a sinful world and lead into the temptation of it ... having a sinful nature does not make one a sinner ... Jesus being the example of this ...

 

[ArmyMatt]

we are born into a sinful world and lead into the temptation of it ... having a sinful nature does not make one a sinner ...

so, you still haven’t defined sin in Greek.

 

[honey badger]

so, you still haven’t defined sin in Greek.

its you who wants to so go ahead ... i am all ears ...

 

[ArmyMatt]

its you who wants to so go ahead ... i am all ears ...

I already know what it is (it helps being married into a Greek family).

but I don’t do others’ homework for them.

 

[honey badger]

I already know what it is (it helps being married into a Greek family).

but I don’t do others’ homework for them.

i don't do the homework others give me