is listing to rock and rap a sin?

[holo]

If the body is a temple, I see nothing wrong with decorating it.

 

[Solomonthewise]

Its sacrad! anything thats temporary is fine but when you go so far as to do something permenant that changes it all.

Just remember its gods word, so any of your little human wants is insignificant to a law that god has imposed.

 

[invisible trousers]

They could be...or you could already be snared in the delusion.

I'm curious as to what type delusion I've been snared into.

I've found that the people who complain the loudest about hip how usually know close to nothing about it.

 

[holo]

Its sacrad! anything thats temporary is fine but when you go so far as to do something permenant that changes it all.

Just remember its gods word, so any of your little human wants is insignificant to a law that god has imposed.

K, I see where you're coming from. FYI, I don't think the believer is under any law. Not to debate, but so you'll understand my reasoning. I think tattoos are beautiful (well not all of them, but you get the idea).

 

[Ainesis]

If the body is a temple, I see nothing wrong with decorating it.

depeds on what you call decorate. Some things we may think of as decoration, God may see as defiling.

Plus, it always sheds light to look at the history of things. Where do they come from? What do they mean?

Just a quick thought.

 

[Ainesis]

I'm curious as to what type delusion I've been snared into.

I've found that the people who complain the loudest about hip how usually know close to nothing about it.

Funny. I have found that most people who join themselves closely to hip hop usually know close to nothing about it.

Do you know where it comes from? Do you know the beliefs of those who promote it? I am not talking about a general belief in "god." Do you know that hip hop is recognized as a formal religion? Do you now that it is anti-christ? I am not throwing around "anti-christ" as some indicator that something is evil. I am saying that this religion it is actually against Christ. They hate Christ and want Him destroyed because they see this as a lie from the "white man" and the God of the "white man." The hip hop religion believes that the black man/woman is God.

If you think the revelation of what hip hop is as presented from a Christian perspective is "crazy" then what do you think of the following:

http://www.zulunation.com/home.html

The above website explains the connection of hip hop as a religion and its prevalance throughout society. If you do not understand what hip hop truly is (much more than music), then you are already deceived. Deceived by what you ask? Read the site above (REALLY read it). The people who promote hip hop know that it is much more than music; it is the platform through which they spread the spirit of their religion. Read about their beliefs. Read about the history of Hip Hop. Read the section of religions. For the love of God; READ!

Here is a section on Jesus:

Early Christian religion emphasised the African concept that the germ is the Christo planted in man according to his individual capacity to receive higher wisdom. Paul said so much too: "Know ye not your own selves, now that Jesus Christ is within you? This makes every man the "Son of Tu-SoS, from birth. We all have the Christ within yearning for personal growth. Christ was mythological, not historical. Church Fathers invented historical Jesus Christ some five hundred years after the advent of Christianity to install a Messiah.

Here is a section on Hip Hop:

Hip Hop is the Vehicle to Deliver Innumerable Lessons! Afrika Bambaataa doesn't believe that Hip Hop heads should just have knowledge of Hip Hop. He promotes and proves that Hip Hop can be used as a vehicle for teaching awareness, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, freedom, justice, equality, peace, unity, love, respect, responsibility and recreation, overcoming challenges, economics, mathematics. science, life, truth, facts and faith.

There is much too much to get into here, but I happen to know a lot about hip hop (having lived through it myself). I also directly know people in the music industry to have insights into what goes into the development and promotion of hip hop. This is why I referred people to the previous website (http://www.exministries.com/main.html). It confirmed much of what I happened to hear and see from other artists.

Nonetheless, outside of the spiritual undertones of hip hop, why would you want to append yourself to any medium which promotes immorality, vulgarity, and sin? That should be enough to get any Christian to question their involvement with and support of such.

Oh well, to each his own. At the very least, you have been provided with knowledge, both from a Christian and a worldly perspective. What you do with it is up to you.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...Hosea 4:6a

 

[Redguard]

Interesting...

The original post questions rap AND rock, yet about 90% of the replies only speak negatively against rap. I guess I'm to assume that eveyone is okay with rock?

Anyway... not that this matters. The same person that points their finger at you to criticize the music you listen to, is the same person who will do an alternate, and equal, sin.

God doesn't regard one sin over the other. They're all equal in his sight. So if you're one of those people who want to bash others over their head for the music they listen to, please make sure that you're completely sinless otherwise you might as well bash yourself on the head for whatever sin you're going to commit before the day is done.

 

[Ainesis]

The original post questions rap AND rock, yet about 90% of the replies only speak negatively against rap. I guess I'm to assume that eveyone is okay with rock?

I personally do not listen to rock, nor did I grow up in that culture. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see that it has the same demonic elements as hip hop.

Anyway... not that this matters. The same person that points their finger at you to criticize the music you listen to, is the same person who will do an alternate, and equal, sin.

Oh yeah, so since others are probably doing sins just as bad, let's all just sin together and go to hell together.

God doesn't regard one sin over the other. They're all equal in his sight.

If any man see his brother sin a sin whichis not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. I John 5:16-17

But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. Rev. 2:24

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Matthew 12:31

So if you're one of those people who want to bash others over their head for the music they listen to, please make sure that you're completely sinless otherwise you might as well bash yourself on the head for whatever sin you're going to commit before the day is done.

Don't hide behind my skirts man. Let's cut to the chase: you don't really care that much about whether I am sinning or not, do you? You just want to do what you want to do without anybody saying anything about it.

What is more important to you? Your life with Christ or your desire to do what you want to do? Do you care nothing about that poster?

If I am the most dirty sinner under Heaven, what does that have to do with the information put forth? Nothing. What does the supposed condition of sin in my life have to do with the fact that hip hop lyrics and artists are using this music to promote a spirit of anti-Christ? Nothing.

Believe me friend, I couldn't care less what anyone does with the information put forth. My responsibility is to share truth and to conform to it. What others do before the Lord is up to them.

You can find any excuse in the world to continue in sin; I can tell you there are endless excuses available. But at least be honest with yourself. If you are deciding that regardless of what it is, you want to continue supporting the promotion of hip hop, then go for it. You will get no argument from me; that is your right.

But don't pretend that your reason for doing so is because those shedding light on the topic probably have other sins. Don't take umbrage with the fact that someone is exposing darkness just because you reserve the right for you and/or others to practice it. BE HONEST and just admit that no matter how much hip hop glorifies the devil, you like it. I could sooner respect that than I could the flimsy excuse you provide.

If I am a big-time sinner who goes to hell, it will not change the truth of what has been put forth. What you do with that truth is up to you. Just remember the following:

Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[Redguard]

Don't misunderstand me.

I'm not asking that people wallow about in their sins.

But being on this site, I see nothing but finger pointing and threads asking, "If I do this, is it a sin? If I do that, is it a sin?"

It's like we're all trying to police each other. Let your sins be dealt with by God and God alone.

Anyone can take a look at my life and point out what they think is a sin and whatnot... but it just gets really redundant after a while.

 

[Ainesis]

Don't misunderstand me.

I'm not asking that people wallow about in their sins.

But being on this site, I see nothing but finger pointing and threads asking, "If I do this, is it a sin? If I do that, is it a sin?"

It's like we're all trying to police each other. Let your sins be dealt with by God and God alone.

Anyone can take a look at my life and point out what they think is a sin and whatnot... but it just gets really redundant after a while.

OK. I understand that. And I am not saying it is a 'sin' to listen to hip hop. What I am saying is understand what hip hop is, how it came to be, and what it promotes. Then decide for yourself.

The question really is not is it a sin for people to listen to hip hop; the question is what are you doing (or becoming) as you listen to hip hop.

It is not our job to police anybody, but it is our job to dispel darkness where we find it.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

God does deal with sin, and you know what, He often uses people to do so. We should not be so affronted by God using people that we dismiss what God is saying because of the vehicle He may choose to communicate it.

http://www.jesuscult.org/judge.htm

 

[LukeBritt]

The meat sacrificed to idols that Paul speaks of is just as bad as some rap group trying to rule the world with their 'religion'. Can we not still partake? Yes, we can and enjoy the things that were used to glorify idols, but in a way that is pleasing to God.

 

[Ainesis]

Are you being serious? Is that really your understanding of that Scripture?
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well, Fare ye well.

1Jo 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

By the way, it is not about some "rap group." There are numerous artists who ascribe to the beliefs of the zulu "hip hop" nation.

1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

 

[invisible trousers]

Funny. I have found that most people who join themselves closely to hip hop usually know close to nothing about it.

hahaha whatever. Who would know more about the music: an angry group of christians with an axe to grind, or people who actually listen to it, go to shows, and know about the artists.

Do you know where it comes from?

yes.

Do you know the beliefs of those who promote it? I am not talking about a general belief in "god." Do you know that hip hop is recognized as a formal religion? Do you now that it is anti-christ? I am not throwing around "anti-christ" as some indicator that something is evil. I am saying that this religion it is actually against Christ. They hate Christ and want Him destroyed because they see this as a lie from the "white man" and the God of the "white man." The hip hop religion believes that the black man/woman is God.

Uh, ok. First there is not a single representative voice of hip-hop. Second, not everyone follows the Zulu Nation. They're definitely a minority. Third, I've never heard *anyone* consider hip-hop a religion, outside of angry christians. Fourth, you actually need to prove that all of hip-hop wants to destroy Christ. Good luck with that.

If you think the revelation of what hip hop is as presented from a Christian perspective is "crazy" then what do you think of the following:

"http://www.zulunation.com/home.html"

I don't really like those beliefs either but I don't care about them because they're a super small minority which in no way represents hip-hop as a whole.

Nonetheless, outside of the spiritual undertones of hip hop, why would you want to append yourself to any medium which promotes immorality, vulgarity, and sin? That should be enough to get any Christian to question their involvement with and support of such.

Oh, well, I'm a music nerd who has been bored to tears by rock music. This might be a surprise to you, but I actually listen to more jazz than hip-hop. Although you might get on me for that too since tons of jazz musicians did terrible and unchristian things like use drugs.

Oh well, to each his own. At the very least, you have been provided with knowledge, both from a Christian and a worldly perspective. What you do with it is up to you.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...Hosea 4:6a

I think I'll be fine, thanks. Being saved by Jesus isn't conditional based on what music you listen to and what music you think other people should listen to.

With all this demon stuff, I'm reminded by a quote from the movie Pi:

Hold on. You have to slow down. You're losing it. You have to take a breath. Listen to yourself. You're connecting a computer bug I had with a computer bug you might have had and some religious hogwash. You want to find the number 216 in the world, you will be able to find it everywhere. 216 steps from a mere street corner to your front door. 216 seconds you spend riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with anything, you will filter everything else out and find that thing everywhere.

 

[Redguard]

Funny. I have found that most people who join themselves closely to hip hop usually know close to nothing about it.

Do you know where it comes from? Do you know the beliefs of those who promote it? I am not talking about a general belief in "god." Do you know that hip hop is recognized as a formal religion? Do you now that it is anti-christ? I am not throwing around "anti-christ" as some indicator that something is evil. I am saying that this religion it is actually against Christ. They hate Christ and want Him destroyed because they see this as a lie from the "white man" and the God of the "white man." The hip hop religion believes that the black man/woman is God.

That whole thing about the black man/woman being God... NOT a hip-hop thing. That's something that a small group of rappers who follow a belief system known as the "5 Percent" preach about. And that's old stuff. I might as well bash Christianity because a few preachers have had extra-marital affairs.

The only rap group that I've ever heard speak on the "5 Percent" is Wu-Tang, who currently make up about 0.5% of modern day rap/hip-hop.

I'm not defending them... I just wanted to clarify a fact.

 

[Ainesis]

hahaha whatever. Who would know more about the music: an angry group of christians with an axe to grind, or people who actually listen to it, go to shows, and know about the artists.

You listen to the music, go to shows, and know "about" the artists? Based on what? What they print in the program? What they say in interviews? This gives you knowledge about what hip hop is?

The ministry I referred you to is not by someone who knows "about" the industry, but someone who came out of the industry. They don't know "about" many of these artists, but "know" them.

I also know (personally) artists in the music industry and the information put out by that ministry is consistent with what is really going on behind the scenes. Let me just say that you apparently do not know what you think you know on the topic.

Uh, ok. First there is not a single representative voice of hip-hop. Second, not everyone follows the Zulu Nation. They're definitely a minority.

Again, watching something from a seat at a concert does not necessarily tell you who or what something is.

Third, I've never heard *anyone* consider hip-hop a religion, outside of angry christians.

Yes you have. It was all on the zulu nation site, which believe me is non-Christian. Again, the question is not what you have heard about hip hop, but what is hip hop really. I can see however, that this is not a question you want to find the answer to.

Oh, well, I'm a music nerd who has been bored to tears by rock music. This might be a surprise to you, but I actually listen to more jazz than hip-hop. Although you might get on me for that too since tons of jazz musicians did terrible and unchristian things like use drugs.

I have not "gotten on you." What I have done, however, is ask that you at least understand what/who you are serving when you involve yourself with hip hop.

Many people have done unchristian things; music artists, politicians, everyday people for that matter. It is not avoiding these people (they still need salvation) but it is about making sure we avoid the pitfalls they are in or that they create.

With all this demon stuff, I'm reminded by a quote

Yes, I am sure they said something very similar to Jesus when He cast out demons.

As I said before, to each his own. The information is out there for anyone who wants to know the truth. I pray that God touch your heart so that you will at least start to look more closely at what you consider so benign.

 

[LukeBritt]

Chillax...

No haters...
What?!
Paul Wall!
Mike Jones!

I think that these guys believe God is a woman and...

 

[Ainesis]

That whole thing about the black man/woman being God... NOT a hip-hop thing. That's something that a small group of rappers who follow a belief system known as the "5 Percent" preach about. And that's old stuff. I might as well bash Christianity because a few preachers have had extra-marital affairs.

The only rap group that I've ever heard speak on the "5 Percent" is Wu-Tang, who currently make up about 0.5% of modern day rap/hip-hop.

I'm not defending them... I just wanted to clarify a fact.

It is not a hip hop thing as in hip hop did not create this lie; it is a hip hop thing in that hip hop is the vehicle created and used to promote it today.

It is also much bigger than the 5 percenters. I know a few people caught up in this delusion as well; they are big on college campuses as a way to recruit young people.

However, as you mention, the belief of man as god precedes the 5 percenters; neither is it limited to the wu tang clan (although they are some of the more militant in their stand against Christ).

The artists that promote these lies are pretty mainstream (according to societal standards). Again, I know enough to know what it is, but that is not my ministry. For more information on who is actually involved, I would again recommend the previously suggested website. This minister has done quite an extensive job in defining the issue and providing documentation. I won't re-invent the wheel trying to go through that here.

Simply take a look...that is, if you want to know.

 

[invisible trousers]

So uh, are we discussing mainstream or underground? I don't really listen to mainstream stuff so that's why my perspective might seem different to you.

I have not "gotten on you." What I have done, however, is ask that you at least understand what/who you are serving when you involve yourself with hip hop.

Look, the reason I'm having trouble believing all this stuff is that hip-hop music hasn't affected me even close to like you're predicting it will (or should). Like I said, I'm a total music nerd, so I let it influence me as much as I let jazz, electro, funk, fusion, classical, electronic, and whatever else I listen to--which is little to none at all.

As I said before, to each his own. The information is out there for anyone who wants to know the truth. I pray that God touch your heart so that you will at least start to look more closely at what you consider so benign.

Eh, whatever. If there's stupid "religious" stuff in hip-hop then I ignore it instead of getting all worked up.

 

[Redguard]

Again, I'm left wondering why all the focus is being placed on hip-hop. The evil that hip-hop portrays isn't anywhere as prevalent as that of rock'n'roll, heavy metal, etc, where demons, devil worship and dark arts are more up front.

 

[Ainesis]

So uh, are we discussing mainstream or underground? I don't really listen to mainstream stuff so that's why my perspective might seem different to you.

The anti-Christ elements of hip hop are no longer underground.

Look, the reason I'm having trouble believing all this stuff is that hip-hop music hasn't affected me even close to like you're predicting it will (or should).

How have I predicted that it would affect you? I don't think that I have. The Lord certainly has not shown me how this is affecting or will affect you. However, now that we are on the topic, I might say the fact that you think it is spiritually benign may in itself be an affect.

But really, it is not my job to analyze you or criticize what you may decide to do in your life. I simply wanted to provide information, and that has been done.

Like I said, I'm a total music nerd, so I let it influence me as much as I let jazz, electro, funk, fusion, classical, electronic, and whatever else I listen to--which is little to none at all.

Music does have spiritual affects; even the scientific community acnowledges the subconscious power of music. We see this in Scripture, we even hear this in the world (Music calms the savage beast). The way our brains interpret music is even different from the way we receive other types of input. This is why music is used so consistently in advertising or why you can go into a store and then cannot get the song that was playing ut of your head. Music seeps into the subconscious unlike any other media.

I don't suppose you are old enough to have childre, although I may be wrong. But there are numerous studies which show how playing music for children, even in the womb, can enhance their mental development. Music can actually change the cognitive skills and the way the brain develops.

Anyway, I am not trying to get too deep into this. Suffice it to say that it is scientific fact that music can impact you, the way you think, and the way you develop without you even being aware of it. Further, beyond the scientific, beyond the subconscious, there is also a spiritual component to music.

What are you expecting to be the signs that this music has affected you? What are you thinking would happen?

If there's stupid "religious" stuff in hip-hop then I ignore it instead of getting all worked up.

I understand your point. I don't know how realistic it is however based on some of what I have already said above. I think if we were to become aware of just how much things influence us without us knowing, we would be shocked.

Neither am I saying you should get all worked up over it. However, I do think you should be aware.

Although you may think otherwise, I am not your enemy. Neither am I against you. I am for you, and I pray for all of God's goodness in your life.

If you are angry for what I have shared, that is fine. But don't let that stop you from seeking truth.

God Bless!