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Is judgement "simple"...? Yes or No...?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Jul 30, 2021.

Is judgement "simple"...?

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  1. Neogaia777

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    Let me start this following discussion with just this one simple question...

    Is judgement "simple"...? Yes or No...?

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  2. Neogaia777

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    Or how about a truly, truly "just judgement"...?

    Simple, or very very simple...?

    Yes or No...?

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  3. Neogaia777

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    And if "no" then why do some of you judge the way that you do...?

    Your judgement is almost always most usually always most hypocritical also, etc...

    And as for those who say "Well you are judging me or us by that", etc...?

    To those ones I would say that it's not so much a "judgement", as it is a "rebuke", etc...

    Because I don't think you are truly saved, even though you think you are, or do, etc...

    What kind of fruit do you bear...? And is it "good fruit"...? Because I don't think it is, and I think it, if anything, is the greatest evidence that you are not truly saved, not yet anyway...

    You need to put a whole lot more thought into judgement before you open your mouth, or cast your judgments in my opinion...

    A lot, lot more thought into it, etc...

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  4. Neogaia777

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    So, what should we tell people then...?

    You can tell them that they might be taking a risk, or might be playing with fire, etc, but beyond that it is not our place to eternally damn or judge or eternally condemn them... Leave that up to God, etc...

    But in leaving it up to God, we should not be wishing that He does or would either also, etc, because that would a wickedness or evil or sin in our hearts, etc, and it will need to be addressed in and with us before the end, etc...

    We should also not shun them or despise them or push them out also, for the very same reasons, etc, it shows an evil and/or sin or wickedness in our hearts that will need to be addressed in and with us before the end, etc...

    We are to bear with them, and be long suffering towards them, and do our best to truly help, and again "truly help", etc, and not just summarily judge and/or condemn them eternally, etc... That is only up to God and God only, etc...

    And again, in having that idea, not wishing that God would either, like I just now said, etc...

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  5. Neogaia777

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    But also in addition to what I just now said here also, there also may be times when you maybe should not bear with them and/or just walk away sometimes also, etc, but you don't need to ever do it in anger also, etc...

    And this would be like when the person is just plain being intentionally hateful/mean/spiteful or else is clearly only purposefully intending only to ever do clear damage/harm and harm/damage only, and it maybe even being "fun" for them, etc, in these types of situations you may just need to walk away and not have much of anything more at all to ever do with them maybe, but it still does not need to be done at all ever in anger also, etc, your walking away, etc, it just is what it is, and they may just be only just are what they are, and they may even be not at all caring to ever change at all ever, and also if it is even seeming "fun" for them also, etc, and you may just need to maybe permanently walk away for good and maybe once and for all forever maybe, depending on what it is, or they are, etc...

    But if you can tell that the person is at least still capable still, of still feeling regret and/or remorse still, then you may not want to just walk away right away, etc, but just feel out and/or judge/evaluate each situation/person accordingly, etc, but and/or because there are some people who just can't be helped, etc, and then there are also some few that are also just plain evil also...

    But always let only God be they're very final and eternal judge "for sure" always though...

    But for the most part we should not just cast people off and/or away just because they may still be a sinner and may still have some sin in their lives though, etc, and we need to be very very careful in our judgments of them or against them also, etc, most especially if they still seem to be having a heart in the matter still, etc, because that is what God always looks at first, etc, is the heart, etc, and we should bear and suffer long with these ones, and not just be speaking just a whole bunch of words of only just condemnation only, but be truly doing our most genuine best to truly and genuinely "help" and be the best help that we can, etc...

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  6. OldWiseGuy

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    Yes and no. In some situations I make immediate judgments, others I grant more observation. My daughter runs with a counter-culture crowd. They range from screwed up to just plain evil. Most I dismiss immediately, others I withhold judgment. Of course God is the final judge of all.
     
  7. Maria Billingsley

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    Yes, if God is the judge. No if man is the judge.
     
  8. Silly Uncle Wayne

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    Whose judgement are you talking about? The other posts suggest that you are referring to human judgement, but the from the basic question I assumed it was God's judgement you were dealing with.
     
  9. Neogaia777

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    Do we know God's judgement...?

    Yes or No...?

    Because many will say that we do, from the Bible, and that man can use that to judge others, but what do you say...?

    Should humans be using cherry picked lines from the Bible to summarily judge others...?

    Yes or No...?

    (BTW, we can use the Bible "in that way" to summarily judge everyone to the point that none are ever going to make it in also, and I think that is important to note, etc)...

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  10. Neogaia777

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    In those immediate judgments, what is going on at the time in your heart and/or mind...?

    Are you "hating"...? Is it making you "angry", etc...?

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  11. klutedavid

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    He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
     
  12. Neogaia777

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    Yet I could also show you a whole host of other scriptures where people are not saved and do not make into heaven and go to hell and are eternally condemned due to a whole host of individual sins also...?

    And most which we are all guilty of, at least in our hearts and/or minds, of continually and all of the time doing, etc...?

    What would you say to that or those scriptures...?

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  13. Neogaia777

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    But I could also show you, like you are trying to show me right now, where it is not mainly dependent on that or those, but is just about having faith and believing (and not judging), and believing and having faith in the gospel mainly only, and/or essentially, etc...

    Sow what would you have to say to those or any of this, etc...?

    Are we left to figuring it out, or reasoning it out, (judgement), in our own minds, etc...?

    Because I know what mine is telling me...

    And it is telling me that it is not so simple, and that we should not be judging one another with such absolute certainty...

    And that, while we all also will be judged by God, that we should also not, not until that time, be judging one another or each other with such absolute certainty...

    God Bless!
     
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  14. Silly Uncle Wayne

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    I think you are still missing the point. God's judgement is what it is. Simple or complex depends on the circumstances - but for him it is always simple, always just.

    For us it is a different issue - we are flawed human beings. Human beings shouldn't be using cherry-picked lines to summarily judge others... but if you are aiming your question people who do you should be clearer in your choice of question and the way you phrase it, because it does sound like you are judging people...
     
  15. Neogaia777

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    I'm merely pointing something out, I never told anyone, or any of them, that they were for 100% absolutely for sure going to hell for it, like many of them do, etc, because that would be "judging them", etc...

    I'm upset because people don't think nearly enough about it, and think that they are good and holy and righteous when they do use the Bible that way, or like that, etc, when it is anything but righteous in my view, etc...

    And they will argue with you because there are places where the Bible maybe does say it also, and I just want them to use their brains, etc, that says that any truly right or truly just judgment of an individual person absolutely cannot be that clear cut and/or simple in every single and/or all cases, etc...

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  16. Silly Uncle Wayne

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    If it is clear cut, then it is simple, if it is not clear cut then it is complex. However if there is a place in the Bible that says one thing and another where it says something different - then a judgement call is required. Many judgemental people refer to the Law Code, but Christians are under a different covenant and the law code should be what it was originally intended to be: a means of judging difficult situations.

    Be wary of calling people out because you don't like their responses. You may be as judgemental as you claim they are.
     
  17. Neogaia777

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    They are 100% "merciless" and have "no mercy", and that is just 100% plain wicked/evil to me...

    And the Bible talks about such ones who deal out judgment this way, and that they will have or get theirs, or they're own from God, "without any mercy", etc...

    And I don't know why that doesn't put some kind of fear of or from God in them either, etc...

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  18. Neogaia777

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    It just gets under my skin, and I'm trying to just vent my frustration I guess, but I do need to and should be careful, thanks...

    God Bless!
     
  19. OldWiseGuy

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    I don't get involved with such people therefore I have no such emotions regarding them. I am however disappointed in and fearful of my daughter's choice of friends.
     
  20. Neogaia777

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    I have an older daughter also, I think it's best to just pray for them, etc, and maybe in their own good and due timing they will come around eventually maybe...?

    Be there for them in the rare and sparingly times that they might reach out to you and/or need you temporarily for a short time, and don't judge them, and maybe in time, they will have enough respect for you to come back around to a better kind of life and/or existence eventually maybe, etc...

    Or at least, that's what I'm trying with mine right now anyway...

    God Bless!
     
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