Is it Wrong to Call Calvinism Unjust?

[Brightfame52]

Prove it.

Already have, you dont accept it !

 

[BNR32FAN]

That doesn't seem to say much of anything about the need for God to make possible the turning of Man towards Christ.

As mentioned before, there is nothing unique about humans thinking of some sort of a higher power. All primitive peoples had such beliefs. And there is nothing special about humans concluding that they need to act in some way in order to appease the spirit in the sky or whatever...or, for that matter, choosing not to do so.

Such "free will" being exercised in order not to find God and not to be saved is irrelevant to this discussion.

The whole concept of becoming a disciple of the only true God and being saved as a result is much more than simply deciding about some kind of a higher power who might want some response or other from us.

I really don’t know what your trying to say here my friend.

 

[BNR32FAN]

[QUOTE="BNR32FAN, post: 75922970, member: 401065"]No that’s not true. As I’ve pointed out several times the people mentioned in Romans 2:4-5 are perfectly capable of repentance but they choose not to of their own free will. God’s kindness and patience is leading them to repentance which mean that she has bestowed grace upon them but yet because of their own stubbornness they refuse to comply. They are not born again but they are capable of repentance.

Sorry, but it is true , As long as a person is unregenerate in the flesh, they cant so anything to lease God, they aren't able to render obedience to God, nor be subjected to Him. Rom 8:7-8[/QUOTE]

So then your saying that God is not actually leading these people to repentance? Paul specifically stated that He is.

“Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry, but it is true , As long as a person is unregenerate in the flesh, they cant so anything to lease God, they aren't able to render obedience to God, nor be subjected to Him. Rom 8:7-8

So then your saying that God is not actually leading these people to repentance? Paul specifically stated that He is.

“Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬[/QUOTE]

Your generalizing instead of specifically addressing the scriptures I quoted. Let’s address Romans 2:4-5

 

[FreeGrace2]

Already have, you dont accept it !

You haven't yet proved TULIP. And you know it.

 

[Brightfame52]

Sorry, but it is true , As long as a person is unregenerate in the flesh, they cant so anything to lease God, they aren't able to render obedience to God, nor be subjected to Him. Rom 8:7-8

So then your saying that God is not actually leading these people to repentance? Paul specifically stated that He is.

“Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬[/QUOTE]
Sorry but its not true. Man in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8 neither can he obey God Rom 8:7. Now the regenerate have been given repentance, that leads them to repentance, but not the unregenerate in the flesh.

 

[Brightfame52]

You haven't yet proved TULIP. And you know it.

You dont accept the Truth which has been shown you. Its not my job to convince you of truth, thats Gods business. He may want you to believe a lie !

 

[FreeGrace2]

You dont accept the Truth which has been shown you. Its not my job to convince you of truth, thats Gods business.

I don't accept your twisting Scripture. That's what I don't accept.

You STILL haven't provided any verse that supports any of TULIP. Because there aren't any.

He may want you to believe a lie !

How does that make any sense? Why would God want any believer to believe a lie?

If you think God does, you have more serious problems than just your inability to defend TULIP from Scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

I don't accept your twisting Scripture. That's what I don't accept.

You STILL haven't provided any verse that supports any of TULIP. Because there aren't any.


How does that make any sense? Why would God want any believer to believe a lie?

If you think God does, you have more serious problems than just your inability to defend TULIP from Scripture.

Nah my friend, you dont accept my witness of scripture. The natural man in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8 Nada !

 

[FreeGrace2]

Nah my friend, you dont accept my witness of scripture. The natural man in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8 Nada !

So typical of calvinists. All talking point, no evidence to support them.

 

[Brightfame52]

So typical of calvinists. All talking point, no evidence to support them.

Thats u !

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
So typical of calvinists. All talking point, no evidence to support them.

Thats u !

No, I'm not the calvinist here. And I have already shown the evidence from Scripture that refutes each point of TULIP.

If you have evidence from Scripture that supports TULIP, what are you waiting for?

 

[Brightfame52]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
So typical of calvinists. All talking point, no evidence to support them.

No, I'm not the calvinist here. And I have already shown the evidence from Scripture that refutes each point of TULIP.

If you have evidence from Scripture that supports TULIP, what are you waiting for?

Whatever you are you havent proved nothing with scripture !

 

[FreeGrace2]

Whatever you are you havent proved nothing with scripture !

I know. What you don't know is that a double negative equals a positive!

And I HAVE proved that TULIP isn't Scriptural.

And you haven't tried to defend TULIP.

 

[Brightfame52]

I know. What you don't know is that a double negative equals a positive!

And I HAVE proved that TULIP isn't Scriptural.

And you haven't tried to defend TULIP.

So you know u haven't proved anything with scripture ?

 

[FreeGrace2]

So you know u haven't proved anything with scripture ?

This is what I posted.

" What you don't know is that a double negative equals a positive!

And I HAVE proved that TULIP isn't Scriptural.

And you haven't tried to defend TULIP."

Is this difficiult to understand?

 

[Brightfame52]

This is what I posted.

" What you don't know is that a double negative equals a positive!

And I HAVE proved that TULIP isn't Scriptural.

And you haven't tried to defend TULIP."

Is this difficiult to understand?

You haven't posted anything to prove tulip unscriptural.

I already showed man by nature cant please God Rom 8:8 thats total inability !

 

[FreeGrace2]

You haven't posted anything to prove tulip unscriptural.

I already showed man by nature cant please God Rom 8:8 thats total inability !

You can't defend TULIP from Scripture and I have refuted it from Scripture.

You have an inability to understand Scripture. That's all.

I'm done bantering back and forth. Go ahead with the last word.

 

[Brightfame52]

You can't defend TULIP from Scripture and I have refuted it from Scripture.

You have an inability to understand Scripture. That's all.

I'm done bantering back and forth. Go ahead with the last word.

Lol, you havent refuted anything nor defened anything, just talking ! You should have been done a long time ago.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You dont accept the Truth which has been shown you. Its not my job to convince you of truth, thats Gods business. He may want you to believe a lie !

Why are you avoiding the question? You can see my point and that’s why you won’t answer the question, is God leading these people to repentance, because you know that only by His grace can they be lead to repentance. The truth is right there in front of you so it’s up to you if you want to ignore it for the sake of saving your pride or accept it as God’s word. It’s your choice my friend.