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You're not making any sense.In the flesh you cant lease God ! So God doesnt tell you how to please Him if you n the flesh, He said you cant !
I have the slightest Iidea what you talkig about, man is in a hopeless situation in the flesh. The only people who can repent and believe are the Born Again.No I haven’t, but what I did do is provide evidence that all creation has received God’s grace. I don’t refute the fact that without God’s grace we cannot repent and come to Christ. That’s absolutely biblical. My position is that God will grant grace to everyone enabling them to repent and be saved, only not all will accept His offer.
What do you think Paul meant when he said...
“For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.”
Romans 8:20-21 NASB1995
In the flesh you cant please God Rom 8:8You're not making any sense.
The Bible is clear about who can repent and believe. Anyone. Christ died for everyone. Everyone is commanded to repent.I have the slightest Iidea what you talkig about, man is in a hopeless situation in the flesh. The only people who can repent and believe are the Born Again.
You are correct. Those in the flesh can be believers who are out of fellowship. Just like rebellious and uncooperative children.In the flesh you cant please God Rom 8:8
One cant repent if they are in the flesh Rom 8:8 ! The only way that changes is when a person is Born again of the Spirit and He dwells in them.The Bible is clear about who can repent and believe. Anyone. Christ died for everyone. Everyone is commanded to repent.
And it's clear that people refuse to repent and believe. Proving that they are capable of doing so.
But please explain how someone can refuse a command, but can't do it.
No, believers arent in the flesh, but in the Spirit because the Spirit dwells i Rom 8:9You are correct. Those in the flesh can be believers who are out of fellowship. Just like rebellious and uncooperative children.
I'm sorry that you seem unable to grasp the concept.One cant repent if they are in the flesh Rom 8:8 ! The only way that changes is when a person is Born again of the Spirit and He dwells in them.
Your argument is destroyed by Scriptural truth, than men REFUSE to believe and repent. Which PROVES that they are able to do both.No, believers arent in the flesh, but in the Spirit because the Spirit dwells i Rom 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And besides that, even if a believer was in the flesh, but that's not possible, it would not help your argument against the truth, because the unbeliever is still in the flesh and cant please God Rom 8:8
One cant repent if they are in the flesh Rom 8:8 !
It seems to me you cant grasp the truth about the unregenerate in the flesh.I'm sorry that you seem unable to grasp the concept.
The Bible says people REFUSE to repent and REFUSE to believe.
The action of refusing is a CHOICE.
That PROVES that repenting and believing are CHOICES that people are ABLE to DO.
You can keep repeating Rom 8:8 all you want. It doesn't help your unbiblical beliefs in any way.
Cornelius in Acts 10 proves your theology is unbiblical. He recognized that God existed, and he sought Him through prayers and alms.
Those in the flesh, the unregenerate cant put Faith in Christ because it pleases God, which they cant do.Your argument is destroyed by Scriptural truth, than men REFUSE to believe and repent. Which PROVES that they are able to do both.
Post 348 refutes your claims.
The Romans 8 verse you've quoted doesn't even have the word repent in it.
It is you who seems unable to grasp the reality about REFUSING. It's a free choice. It means one can either choose to do the action, or REFUSE to do the action.It seems to me you cant grasp the truth about the unregenerate in the flesh.
There is NOTHING in Romans about "total inability". Those are just words from calvinists to prop up their theology.Those in the flesh, the unregenerate cant put Faith in Christ because it pleases God, which they cant do.
They cant repent either because their minds are enmity against God and cant be submitted to God Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Say with me total inability !
The unwillingness is a symptom of inability. The unregenerate are unwilling to believe because they cant believe, their mind is enmity against God Rom 8:7-8.It is you who seems unable to grasp the reality about REFUSING. It's a free choice. It means one can either choose to do the action, or REFUSE to do the action.
That's why your understanding of so many verses is affected negatively.
Romans 8:8 says they in the flesh cant please God ! Thats total inability, no ability !There is NOTHING in Romans about "total inability". Those are just words from calvinists to prop up their theology.
In fact, Paul clearly indicated how much CHOICE man has.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.
16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Paul was teaching about the various choices BELIEVERS have.
To either "let sin reign in your body", or NOT to.
To either "offer yourself to sin", or "offer yourselves to God".
That precedes ch 8. So your interpretation of v.8,9 is quite faulty.
These 3 verses quote from Psa 14:1-3 which is exactly the same as Psa 53:1-3.1 Corinthians 2:14
14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.
Romans 3:10-12
10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God; 12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one:
Then you just don't understand words. If someone has an inability to do something, then there is NO need for unwillingness, since they can't do it anyway.The unwillingness is a symptom of inability.
Sad that you don't understand what words actually mean.The unregenerate are unwilling to believe because they cant believe, their mind is enmity against God Rom 8:7-8.
If these unregenerate Jews couldn't come to Jesus, He would have simply said so.Jesus said to the unregenerate jews Jn 5:40
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Calvinists have a very bad habit of ignoring the very next verse, which ANSWERS who will come to Jesus.And He said why here Jn 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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