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Which one proves that Jesus was the Messiah? (scriptures)
Later? What about when Christ was still alive?
John 9:22
His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders, who already had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah would be put out of the synagogue.
That has nothing to do with the law.Not if you don't have faith that He wants to bless you.
Their fears were justified, not imaginary. The Jewish leaders had already decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah would be put out of the synagogue.Oh sure...the perception was Torah or no Torah...accusations were just that...most false.
I was trying to answer your questions, which isn't easy when they include Hebrew words I am not familiar with. (I'm not Jewish) But, if you want a point, here you go.both, but what was your point?
Sound doctrine conforms to the gospel, not to the law.
The law is not made for the righteous. The law is good if one uses it properly.
Therefore, those who want to be teachers of the law do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
1 Timothy 1:7-11
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
I was trying to answer your questions, which isn't easy when they include Hebrew words I am not familiar with. (I'm not Jewish) But, if you want a point, here you go.
In the scripture below, the Apostle distinguishes between "those who are of the law" and "those who have the faith of Abraham", calling BOTH "Abraham’s offspring". Therefore, not all believers are "of the law". Are you of the law?
Romans 4:16
Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
1 Timothy 1:7-11
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
There is no grace in the law. You could say the Books of the Law point to grace. But...He was basically saying all the children of Abraham...the faith of Abraham. You really need to get the law only and grace only out of your head...they are not mutually exclusive. You can follow the law and be justified by grace...
When you say "of the law" you are implying no grace...only legalism.
Their fears were justified, not imaginary. The Jewish leaders had already decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah would be put out of the synagogue.
John 9:22
His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders, who already had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah would be put out of the synagogue.
There is no grace in the law.
Grace points to a relationship with God, not a relationship with the law.
Galatians 3:12
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary...
There you go. "...sound doctrine conforms to the Gospel." (not the law)That is because the righteous FOLLOW it. If they didn't, they would be lawless lawbreakers as he describes...they would be practicing unsound doctrine...sound doctrine conforms to the Gospel.
Keep the law? Isn't that the point? No one can keep the law.Who wrote and was the author of the Law? You are implying those who believe and also keep the Law have no faith...that would ONLY be true if it requires justification ONLY through the Law and not grace.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us.
Catch him?This was while Jesus was still alive. The wanted to to catch Him.
What is your motivation for following the law in grace?ou really need to get the law only and grace only out of your head...they are not mutually exclusive.
That's a little sneaky if you ask me. I think there's more to it than just temporal blessings for them.You are getting those who delight in Torah and strive for the blessings mixed up with those "who are trying to be justified by the law"--It's two different conditions of the heart.
So we continue to put uop with your half truths and out right denial of what Scripture says. Jeremiah doesn't say the covenant made with Israel is written on the heart. Moses says that covenant is the famous 10 in Deut 4:13."Under the LAW" was already defined by Paul this way in Romans 3
Rom
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1 John 3:4 "for SIN IS transgression of the LAW"
The "School master" creates the reality - the context - that you are a lost sinner headed for the second-death lake-of-fire and in need of the Gospel solution.
When "Faith comes" - you are born again and no longer under the condemnation of the LAW of God. Rather under the NEW Covenant that Law is "written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33
This is the easy part of the topic.
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