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We are still fleshly creatures even after regeneration, and the Law is still a burden.
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Messiah dealt with the curse of the law (the flesh)--overcoming it by His death and resurrection. Providing a way for me to love His Commandments and not be burdened by them.
We are still fleshly creatures even after regeneration, and the Law is still a burden.
ThanksI was being asked why I responded to your point as if it was to somoeone else. I was simply pointing out the sequence in the email trail - not complaining. You are welcomed to respond to any post here including mine no matter if the conversation starts with you or not. I have no problem with that.
Yes and Paul also says salvation isn't dependent on observing holy days.you said "the Galatians were gentiles and former pagans. " -- and that is a fact. Paul is condemning their return to paganism, to observing pagan days... but they never were Jews - and were not "returning to obedience of what was called scripture" as if obeying scripture would be a bad thing.
Paul is not condemning scripture in Gal 4.
In fact when it comes to the Lev 23 list of annual holy days - in Rom 14 Paul defends them all and does not say that to observe one of them is to lose salvation.
Neither are about gentiles and paganism.Acts 15 is not about gentiles returning to paganism. Gal 4:8-10 is. Details.
Yes, they are burdensome to this body of death, but doesn't the inner man rejoice in it?
Romans 8:7
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."
What do you make of this? (the words of the Apostle Peter)Messiah dealt with the curse of the law (the flesh)--overcoming it by His death and resurrection. Providing a way for me to love His Commandments and not be burdened by them.
You need to read what the Scripture says.That is not true at all. In Romans 14 Paul condemns anyone who would dare to say say anything against the Bible approved holy days of Lev 23. Paul was not only observing Bible holy days - he was also taking ceremonial vows in the temple and paying for other Christian Jews to do the same.
IN Gal 4:8-11 Paul condemns even one observance of a pagan holy day.
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That is not true at all. In Romans 14 Paul condemns anyone who would dare to say say anything against the Bible approved holy days of Lev 23. Paul was not only observing Bible holy days - he was also taking ceremonial vows in the temple and paying for other Christian Jews to do the same.
You're demanding allegiance to the famous 10 for salvation.They don't get excluded from going to heaven simply because they agree that "Taking God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 - is still a sin even for Christians.
Neither Jew nor gentile can go from being lost - to being saved - simply because they stop taking God's name in vain.
Nor can lost gentiles be saved by forcing them to stop taking God's name in vain.
You are introducing an argument against an Idea that is not being promoted here with any one of the commandments.
I'll have to agree with Tone about Gal 4:8-10. It is about gentiles returning to paganism. As I understand it.Yes and Paul also says salvation isn't dependent on observing holy days.Neither are about gentiles and paganism.
All groups of Christians had Jews in the early church. Paul preached Jesus in the synagogue first everywhere there was one.That's interesting. Where did you find information that the Galatians were a mixed group? (Jews and Gentiles) My sources say they were gentiles.
This is where definitions become critical.Yes, they are burdensome to this body of death, but doesn't the inner man rejoice in it?
Romans 8:7
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."
No - JN 1:17, Gal 3:19Yeah, I believe it is the same Good Creator who gave us both (new and old) for our benefit...I treasure the Sabbath and see the value in giving us a rest, as well as the rest prescribed for the land, which we have failed to take advantage of and reap the consequences.
John 6:63
"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."
Don't you believe that the Ten Words are His words...the same Voice?
Then why is no one in compliance with the law?Messiah dealt with the curse of the law (the flesh)--overcoming it by His death and resurrection. Providing a way for me to love His Commandments and not be burdened by them.
No sir.The Sabbath was introduced in Genesis...
Do you see anything in the book of Galatians that speaks to Jews in the church? (I don't)All groups of Christians had Jews in the early church. Paul preached Jesus in the synagogue first everywhere there was one.
Galatians is written to the whole church in Galatia. Pagans would have no interest in Paul's allegory in chapter 4. Paul is clearly addressing Jewish ideas. The whole book is about the law.I'll have to agree with Tone about Gal 4:8-10. It is about gentiles returning to paganism. As I understand it.
Yes the whole book is about the law.Do you see anything in the book of Galatians that speaks to Jews in the church? (I don't)
Yes Rom 7:13-8:10.We are still fleshly creatures even after regeneration, and the Law is still a burden.
Those Jewish ideas were coming from the Circumcision Group. (See Acts 15)Galatians is written to the whole church in Galatia. Pagans would have no interest in Paul's allegory in chapter 4. Paul is clearly addressing Jewish ideas. The whole book is about the law.
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