Is it wrong for a Christian to use Marijuana if it's legal where they live?

[Noxot]

what is wrong has nothing to do with man made laws in and of themselves.

the best judgment I could give over people who smoke weed depends on if it makes a positive or negative impact on their life, body, and environment.

it's not up to me to decide what other people do if they are not hurting or affecting me. it is evil to make decisions for other people because that would be like me trying to be their God, which is a big no no.

God is their judge and God is the one who knows the inner person way more than people do. smoking weed is not stealing or rape or assaulting someone and so it really does not concern me.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

What about if the leaders are ungodly and more to the point are Satan’s puppets which in the case they are?
Let’s take medicine
Would God prefer if you go ahead and take the sintetic drugs that pharmaceutical companies make and who have destroyed the natural in order to make money rather than take the natural medicine that God provided ( cannabis oils) ??

God makes natural medicine
God says submit to authorities
Authorities abuse what God has given for financial gain
Should we ignore what God has given because His word says to submit to leaders??

Here’s another point I want to make
God said submit to leaders but has also stated that man
( that’s me and you ) has dominion over all the plants and animals. So who is one man to take away what another man has been given and is rightly his because of God.?

It’s all about control. They force us to work, take their medicines, burn their fuel, pay in to a slave system, take away our rights as a man, we can’t fish unless we pay, we can’t hunt unless we pay, we can’t cultivate certain plants, We can’t trade unless their payed a fee and you think when God said submit to authorities that this is what He meant?
I agree it states that all authorities are instituted by God and that’s all good, but what happens when our governments are evil, theives, murderers, unjust, agreeing with homosexuality basically anything that not fair and not Godly. Are we to submit? If yes, then that means God has instituted evil and if that is true, then I’m sorry, I’m done with Christianity. I cannot serve a God that allows some corrupt government who takes away my right to travel freely, fish for food, hunt for food, cultivate plants for both food and medicine basically anything that hinders me from living life on a planet given to me by God.

As shown in my previous post with video, corrupt men taking away what’s natural and creating a huge mess because they wanted to be rich. Am I supposed to submit to them?.

You are kind of meshing a bunch of thoughts here altogether. Anyhow, arsenic and mercury also occur naturally, does that mean that the Lord meant it to be consumed? You see you can do a lot of justification to jump through hoops because you want to justify personal drug use. If you do an honest study about drugs and its connection to witchcraft in the bible you will see the Lord is clear about it. If after that you still want to defend people using weed to get high that is between you and the Lord.

Let's be honest though. People smoke weed to get high. They use it to deal with stress and not cope with issues. The Lord says take my yoke for it is light. The Lord wants us to rely on him not weed or alcohol.

 

[Kaon]

Having faith in God to heal, or deliver, or provide food is what we are called to.

Anything that is not from faith is sin.


But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
Romans 14:23



JLB

Faith is not blind, it is an educated choice.

God is going to count you foolish if you play with fire thinking you won't burned, or for taking potion pills that specifically tell you that you will likely experience the same things you are seeking to cure or help.

That is not "faith," it is delusion.

We were told to be gentle as doves, but as wise as serpents. If you take a pill that people who exploit you for money tell you to take, and you trust that it won't harm you even when those who exploit you tell you exactly what it will do, you are a fool. Your chronic condition is what makes money for these companies.

I would die before I go to a hospital or take a pill, honestly. I would put my faith in my Father to show me another way that He approves, or let me die. To me, it isnt even worth the withdrawl or addiction to take a potion. Its much worse than cigarettes (IMO), alcohol, and definitely cannabis.

 

[Kaon]

You are kind of meshing a bunch of thoughts here altogether. Anyhow, arsenic and mercury also occur naturally, does that mean that the Lord meant it to be consumed? You see you can do a lot of justification to jump through hoops because you want to justify personal drug use. If you do an honest study about drugs and its connection to witchcraft in the bible you will see the Lord is clear about it. If after that you still want to defend people using weed to get high that is between you and the Lord.

Let's be honest though. People smoke weed to get high. They use it to deal with stress and not cope with issues. The Lord says take my yoke for it is light. The Lord wants us to rely on him not weed or alcohol.

Cannabis saved my literal life when the hospital, and drugs couldnt. If I went to the hospital it would have cost me $10,000s to treat what I had, and then I would be on a coctail of drugs. Besides prescription pain killers, there was no pill or potion that would save me. In fact, I was told I needed SURGERY that would lead to a dissection and removal of entire organs.

A year of cannabis got my weight, health, mobility, and cognitive function BACK, and EVEN FURTHER than it was before. (Most people do not know about cannabis's ability to increase neuro-plasticity.) I did not have to be cut open, no dependency on drugs, and no withdrawal. I did spend plenty of time praying and talking to my Father in ways I never had before. Everything on this planet is here for a help; He didn't leave us without it. I had to completely give up my faith in man - all while my professional family members (in medicine) were ready to DRAG me to the hospital. Faith worked, and when I was ready to die I STARTED COMING BACK.

Maybe when it was illegal everywhere, and a socially damnable offense, people smoked it just to get high - but that is a psychological issue (forbidden fruit.) Now, people are realizing Ayurveda and holistic medicine works better and is less taxing on the body than Western medicine often times. And, people today do NOT just smoke cannabis to get high. A lot of people do it to benefit their lives (motility, cognitive function, seizure and HIV). And, there are other ways other than smoking to get the 100+ cannabinols that act as miracle compounds.


The very reason cannabis is called Marijuana in the States is because it is to sound more "mexicany" and draw an immediate emotional response when hearing it. The Mexican slang for cannabis is "mota." The word in Spanish is "canabis," since it is a Latin word. The fear of cannabis is a campaign that goes back to the early 1900s - substantiated in the 30s and 60s.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

So, weed is only for the unsaved... ?

Sigh... The Salt has lost its flavor.

Well, the Lord does speak of salt.

But weed?

 

[Grip Docility]

Well, the Lord does speak of salt.

But weed?

I don’t use weed. But I vape nicotine. The smokers go to hell gig is absolutely atrocious! The do you not know your body is the temple of God verse is so misused as a hammer of self righteousness... people miss that it means God indewells us! Us... Imperfect us!

There’s churchianity and then there’s Christianity...

One Loves all humanity and acts in grace while the other re empowers Satan through a man made law of sorts...

That’s my opinion. I don’t take to self righteousness well. Any semblance of rules to live by or suffer Hell or loss of eternity are typically a well designed facade that if pealed back reveals a hornets nest of sin, decay and ruin.

 

[Grip Docility]

How bout Hemlock, ever enjoy that?

The power of death belongs to someone... Hebrews 2:14...

Is there a reason you joke about it?

Poison and Weed are two different matters..

You’re on that do boy list gig.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The power of death belongs to someone... Hebrews 2:14...

Is there a reason you joke about it?

Poison and Weed are two different matters..

You’re on that do boy list gig.

Where was the joke? It was a serious question designed to make a point...the point that went over your head.

Go back, reread...read what I was replying to and if you still don't understand, let me know.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

You are kind of meshing a bunch of thoughts here altogether. Anyhow, arsenic and mercury also occur naturally, does that mean that the Lord meant it to be consumed? You see you can do a lot of justification to jump through hoops because you want to justify personal drug use. If you do an honest study about drugs and its connection to witchcraft in the bible you will see the Lord is clear about it. If after that you still want to defend people using weed to get high that is between you and the Lord.

Let's be honest though. People smoke weed to get high. They use it to deal with stress and not cope with issues. The Lord says take my yoke for it is light. The Lord wants us to rely on him not weed or alcohol.

Read my posts man, I only condone cannabis for industrial or medicinal purposes, not for enjoyment
As for the latter, yes we should depend fully on Him

 

[Jonathan Leo]

If you read about toxic effects of marijuana, you might find it is a carcinogenic, hallucinogenic neurotoxin. Cannabis has been shown to retard brain development in adolescent children. Marijuana was shown to be more carcinogenic than cigarettes. States legalizing marijuana saw increased traffic accidents and emergency room visits by those suffering from weed overdoses.

Alcohol abuse is also a major problem. I drank a 750mm bottle of red wine in ten days. Wine has polyphenols and calories. It has been used for thousands of years. Fermenting grape juice preserved the vineyard harvests before there was pasteurization and refrigeration. Studies have shown drinking small amounts of wine might actually make a person healthier, while drinking large amounts will kill a person.

One may not recommend marijuana, because it makes people sick. I would not recommend alcohol to an alcoholic.

It’s like the old saying I heard before becoming a Christian
Everything is bad for you if not used in moderation.
A burger full of grease is lovely once a month. Daily it will have an effect on your heart
Alcohol on a celebratory event is good. Daily intoxication will have an effect on your liver
Marijuana when needed for medicine is good. Daily abuse will make you paranoid and dumb

 

[Grip Docility]

Where was the joke? It was a serious question designed to make a point...the point that went over your head.

Go back, reread...read what I was replying to and if you still don't understand, let me know.

I know your point and made mine in return. Without 100% dependence on Jesus Christ and Zero on Self Righteous Effort... everything comes out in a bad way.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I know your point and made mine in return. Without 100% dependence on Jesus Christ and Zero on Self Righteous Effort... everything comes out in a bad way.

What in the world are you talking about? And no, you missed my point completely, and your point made that clear.

You aren't making any sense now, so whatever.

Oh, BTW, are you a pot smoker?

 

[Grip Docility]

What in the world are you talking about? And no, you missed my point completely, and your point made that clear.

You aren't making any sense now, so whatever.

Oh, BTW, are you a pot smoker?

Congratulations on missing post #106

 

[discipler7]

2CORINTHIANS.6: = 14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God.

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Still not talking about wine. You seem to have gone on yet a different tangent entirely.

Drinking wine or intoxicating drink(= against the Law at LEVITICUS.10:9) is part of lawlessness or unrighteousness or darkness or unbelievers = defiles the temple of God = the body.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

I don’t use weed. But I vape nicotine. The smokers go to hell gig is absolutely atrocious! The do you not know your body is the temple of God verse is so misused as a hammer of self righteousness... people miss that it means God indewells us! Us... Imperfect us!

There’s churchianity and then there’s Christianity...

One Loves all humanity and acts in grace while the other re empowers Satan through a man made law of sorts...

That’s my opinion. I don’t take to self righteousness well. Any semblance of rules to live by or suffer Hell or loss of eternity are typically a well designed facade that if pealed back reveals a hornets nest of sin, decay and ruin.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

I don’t use weed. But I vape nicotine. The smokers go to hell gig is absolutely atrocious! The do you not know your body is the temple of God verse is so misused as a hammer of self righteousness... people miss that it means God indewells us! Us... Imperfect us!

There’s churchianity and then there’s Christianity...

One Loves all humanity and acts in grace while the other re empowers Satan through a man made law of sorts...

That’s my opinion. I don’t take to self righteousness well. Any semblance of rules to live by or suffer Hell or loss of eternity are typically a well designed facade that if pealed back reveals a hornets nest of sin, decay and ruin.

Actually, Biblical Christianity does not "love all humanity." God doesn't, and He instructs His true people to love Him, not the world, or the things in the world.

If the Holy Spirit is not "checking" that spirit that wants to feed flesh instead of spirit, well...that's why there are those who practice Christ, and there are those that live Christ.

I used to smoke and weed was one of them. There are no grey areas in Scripture. When there is grey area then we need to search further. God has describe His will concerning everything that we have to do....and if smoking weed is one of those things why is there no instruction in how to do it so as to give God glory. I lost a lot of joy and suffered much within when I was convicted of these things. Plus, God gives EVERY true believer the power to overcome.

But do you want to overcome?

Or would you rather come over?

 

[JacksBratt]

You are kind of meshing a bunch of thoughts here altogether. Anyhow, arsenic and mercury also occur naturally, does that mean that the Lord meant it to be consumed? You see you can do a lot of justification to jump through hoops because you want to justify personal drug use. If you do an honest study about drugs and its connection to witchcraft in the bible you will see the Lord is clear about it. If after that you still want to defend people using weed to get high that is between you and the Lord.

Let's be honest though. People smoke weed to get high. They use it to deal with stress and not cope with issues. The Lord says take my yoke for it is light. The Lord wants us to rely on him not weed or alcohol.

Actually, people, more and more, are using Cannabis for relieve from all kinds of chronic pain and inflammation.

In Canada, even though cannabis is not legal, yet, people get licenses to buy medicinal weed and are aloud to smoke, eat or whatever, for it's therapeutic properties.

To say that it is the same as consumption of arsenic or mercury is a little much.

Talking about witchcraft and it's rituals, again, these things are done with strict implements, chanting, concoctions, and other ritualistic mantras. They are also far from the simple act of smoking a joint.

How many of us have a cup of coffee in the morning to start our day? A glass of wine with dinner or a beer after the game?

If you look at any human routine and the things we ingest as part of them... you could stretch them all into some sort of sin. From make up, to hair spray, jewelry, fine clothes and shoes, a fine cigar with the boys, a chant to cheer on our team, a toast at a wedding... the list goes on...

Will I be starting to smoke weed when it becomes legal... nope..... do I have the odd beer, glass of wine.... yep.... will smoking a Marlboro not be sinful while smoking one of Willy Nelsons best be a sin? Nope....

We are going through a change in culture. These will happen... just because something has always been against the law... and now is not... does not make it a sin or not a sin.

IMO it was a sin because:
1/it was illegal
2/it supported criminal activity
3/you had to be dishonest and deceitful in order to use it.

It's no different than putting a clove in a tooth ache or having a beer after a hard job done.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Talking about witchcraft and it's rituals, again, these things are done with strict implements, chanting, concoctions, and other ritualistic mantras. They are also far from the simple act of smoking a joint.

All so called medical applications aside, which btw are mostly totally abused. I live in Cal, we had the medical thing first, 90% of the people with medical cards were a front to just getting high.

As to the witchcraft thing, when you smoke weed you alter your state of consciousnesses and you are opening doors. The idea that the person using the drug has to be participating in some chants and ritual for it to open doors is a lie that the enemy has sold.

We are going through a change in culture. These will happen... just because something has always been against the law... and now is not... does not make it a sin or not a sin.

Cultures change, the word of GOD does not. God does not change and bend to the culture.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

1 Peter 5:8 ESV /
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Galatians 5:21 ESV / 381 helpful votes
Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

drunk or high, same thing

 

[Kenny'sID]

I know your point and made mine in return. Without 100% dependence on Jesus Christ and Zero on Self Righteous Effort... everything comes out in a bad way.

Why the attitude?

 

[Grip Docility]

Why the attitude?

Post # 106 explains my “attitude”.