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I stand with Israel.
concretecamper said:I pray to the living. Praying to the dead is worthless.
Well, that's even sillier than praying to Mary, since you guys are the ones who are always telling us that the living need to pray to the dead because their proximity to God makes their prayers more efficacious.
I ask the living to pray for me. Asking the dead to pray for me is worthless.
You also pray to Mary, who is dead, and to various dead "saints".
You're encouraging us to do commit the same sin.
Second, you're not merely "asking them to pray for you". You're praying to them.
If you mistakenly categorize people in Heaven as dead....I can see your misunderstanding. If you categorize people living on earth as dead, I can see your misunderstanding.
I hope I did not break the rules of this forum....I am just responding to this mischaracterization.
And where does the Bible tell us they went to Heaven while still alive? Or is that just one of your traditions?
Incidentally, would you mind explaining who you believe those individuals the Bible describes as "the dead in Christ" are?
I am sorry if I overstepped my bounds
I did not encourage praying the rosary in the Baptist subforum
as stated earlier the term "rosary" can refer to the set of prayers and meditations
or the term "rosary" can mean the physical chaplet that looks like a necklace with beads or knots with a Crucifix on it.
while the set of prayers might go against the Baptist faith
the physical chaplet with a crucifix on it is not intrinsically against the Baptist faith
or do I misunderstand the rules?
You realize these chaplets include prayers to Mary and may include prayers to other dead people, right?
How is that not a sin and "intrinsically against the Baptist faith"?
Jesus left us a Church, not a rosary.
As Baptists, we possess the fullness of the faith. Why do we need to commit the sin of praying to dead humans when we can pray to a living God?
Catholics and Baptists have different understandings of the communion of saints
Correct. Baptists believe that when people die, we are not to contact them, while Catholics just redefine "dead" so that it's no problem.
like th1bill said, it is neither sinful or holy, it is just an object
Except that Catholics believe that some objects are holy. That's why they keep relics and body parts of popes and alleged dead "saints".
so if the object in question helps remind the OP of the grace and mercy of God, then I say it is good that she carry it.
I disagree. Uzzah did what he did with the best of intentions, because he loved the Lord. And God still struck him dead because he sinned.
Even something with good intentions can be bad. In this case, while there is nothing wrong with a memento that helps you to reflect on the grace and mercy of God, if it is a memento that encourages a pagan practice, such as praying to the dead, it is sinful.
I don't think that praying to the physically dead is a sin, but just meaningless.
The Bible says it's a sin. I have to go with the Bible on this one.
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