Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

[Bible Highlighter]

I'd like to go and visit other countries too. But that costs money. So should I sneak across the borders in order to go there? Then if I like it enough and find a job there, should I be allowed to stay?

Here's a question a lot closer to home for you: If you have a nice house and someone who doesn't have as much money as you can't afford a house like yours and decides to break into yours, should he be allowed to stay? Yeah, there are actually people who are doing that today.



We have laws for a reason. You believe in keeping our country safe, don't you?



Of course I have. In fact, the CW channel is showing an episode from each series every night, so I've been getting my fill and remember the episode you're talking about. The situation being portrayed was one where some people needed a few more days to leave--but they were leaving. We're talking about people who have illegally come in the first place, and want to stay permanently. What message does that send to the Mexicans and others who have actually gone through the proper channels to do it the right way?



Actually, it's to keep out the ones who would cross the border illegally. The border still would have legal crossing points. It has them right now, and people come and go through there all day long. It's only when you want to break the law that you climb over a wall rather than enter through the gate. Ever read "Pilgrim's Progress?"

Look, I am not going to try to reason with you. If you do not see the absolute silliness of the problem of deporting millions of undocumented people overnight then I cannot help you. Believe whatever you want to believe.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I suppose I have to accept the reality that some people have become totally irrational when it comes to supporting Trump and just let it go.

In any event, may God bless you all.
And please be well.


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[Aldebaran]

Look, I am not going to try to reason with you. If you do not see the absolute silliness of the problem of deporting millions of undocumented people overnight then I cannot help you. Believe whatever you want to believe.

When did I, or anyone else, suggest deporting millions of undocumented people overnight? You're making a straw man argument when you say things like that.

 

[Aldebaran]

I suppose I have to accept the reality that some people have become totally irrational when it comes to supporting Trump and just let it go.

In any event, may God bless you all.
And please be well.

Trump or no Trump, I still don't support illegal immigration.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Trump or no Trump, I still don't support illegal immigration.

Neither do I. My point is that we can help to make them legal if they are productive members of society rather than inciting violence, racism, death, and a blow to our economy by forcing them out overnight. For I don't think you realize the bad that would result by deporting millions of people. If they were all murderers and rapists, then that would be different. But they aren't. Many of them came here to feed their family and give them a normal life. God can have compassion on us if we are sorry for our sins (i.e. Our minor transgressions). Why should this country be any less like God?

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[Bible Highlighter]

When did I, or anyone else, suggest deporting millions of undocumented people overnight? You're making a straw man argument when you say things like that.

You don't have to say it.
Your support of Trump says it for you.

For it is within Trump's plans in doing so.

Side Note:

Please take note I do not approve of the use of a bad word that is used by the host of the show in this video. I also would not want anyone to be fueled by hate by watching this video, either. We should pray for Trump and focus on always in doing good.

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[Aldebaran]

You don't have to say it.
Your support of Trump says it for you.

For it is within Trump's plans in doing so.

You seem to think that supporting one candidate over the other means I agree with 100% of what they say. I'm a voter, not a mirror image of the candidate I choose.

 

[Aldebaran]

Neither do I. My point is that we can help to make them legal if they are productive members of society rather than inciting violence, racism, death, and a blow to our economy by forcing them out overnight. For I don't think you realize the bad that would result by deporting millions of people. If they were all murderers and rapists, then that would be different. But they aren't.

One thing they all have in common is that they made the decision to break the law and enter the country illegally. What message does it send to all the LEGAL immigrants when you reward them by giving them a free pass to stay here after breaking the law?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

One thing they all have in common is that they made the decision to break the law and enter the country illegally. What message does it send to all the LEGAL immigrants when you reward them by giving them a free pass to stay here after breaking the law?

Nowhere did I say that they should not be punished. I am merely saying that they should be made legal. Sure, they should face a penalty of some kind (Like paying back taxes and a fine - in the form of affordable monthly installments based on their income). But a forced deportation overnight is not the answer.


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[Bible Highlighter]

You seem to think that supporting one candidate over the other means I agree with 100% of what they say. I'm a voter, not a mirror image of the candidate I choose.

When you vote for a person, you don't get to select only the good things that you want out of a candidate. You are either all in with voting for a candidate or you are all out. For you are helping to put that person into power. Thus as a result, you have to take responsibilty for both the good and the bad that they said prior that they are going to do as a part of their presidency. Both Trump and Hillary have bad and sinful policies (Along with Trump being an openly sinful man and Hillary having a lot of skeletons in her closet). Your voting for them means you support them enough to place them into power because you believe they will do certain good for our country. But you cannot undo the bad that is a part of their campaign that you are aware of now. You cannot cut out the bad from a candidate. Now, if they do something in the future that is bad that you are unaware of then that is different. You cannot possibly know the future. But if you go in hand in hand with a candidate knowing their bad or evil ways, then you are making your bed with them. In other words, would you think it would be okay to go back in time and vote for Hitler just because of his other good policies (all why ignoring the evil that you know he is going to do)? Surely not.


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[Aldebaran]

Nowhere did I say that they should not be punished. I am merely saying that they should be made legal. Sure, they should face a penalty of some kind (Like paying back taxes and a fine - in the form of affordable monthly installments based on their income). But a forced deportation overnight is not the answer.

I still don't know where you get this "overnight" thing from.

The "made legal" idea you have is a good one. They go back to their own country and then come back through the same methods that all the immigrants who came here legally used to become legal citizens of this country. Then they would be made legal.

 

[Aldebaran]

When you vote for a person, you don't get to select only the good things that you want out of a candidate. You are either all in with voting for a candidate or you are all out. For you are helping to put that person into power. Thus as a result, you have to take responsibilty for both the good and the bad that they said prior that they are going to do as a part of their presidency. Both Trump and Hillary have bad and sinful policies (Along with Trump being an openly sinful man and Hillary having a lot of skeletons in her closet). Your voting for them means you support them enough to place them into power because you believe they will do certain good for our country. But you cannot undo the bad that is a part of their campaign that you are aware of now. You cannot cut out the bad from a candidate. Now, if they do something in the future that is bad that you are unaware of then that is different. You cannot possibly know the future. But if you go in hand in hand with a candidate knowing their bad or evil ways, then you are making your bed with them.

Oh come on! We're voting for president--not voting for the one we're going to make our soul mate. You seem to think we can't vote for someone if they're not Jesus Christ Himself. A vote is a voice of preference. It's not a blanket endorsement.

In other words, would you think it would be okay to go back in time and vote for Hitler just because of his other good policies (all why ignoring the evil that you know he is going to do)? Surely not.

Well, who would be Hitler's opponent? What did Hitler say when he was campaigning? Look, hindsight is 20/20, which is something we'll never have when it comes to foresight. The vast majority of people who voted for Hitler most likely would vote differently if given the chance to go back and do it again.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

As for immigration on the Muslim issue: I have recently changed my stand on this one. While I do respect that we have religous freedom here in the United States, I think it is dangerous to allow more of those individuals into our country who hold to a relgious view whereby it's major holy writings tells it's current members that they can potentially act in a violent way. Again, I am not just talking about the extremists as my reason here. If one were to examine the very core of the Muslim's own writings, they are violent and not peaceful. For me, it is too huge of a risk to take to fill our nation with a religion that can lead to potential violence (based on it's own holy writings). Before, I was unaware of the potential dangers that this relgion (based on it's writings) can cause. For ex Muslims have left their faith (some have left to Christianity) on the basis that that they found the Muslim religion to be ultimately violent at it's core within it's own holy writings.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...icalization-is-on-the-increase-and-wont-stop/

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2015/September/This-Chinese-Rehab-Is-Changing-Addicts-Destiny

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Comments_from_Former_Muslims

Those who currently do believe in this religion here in American already should be monitored carefully because of the violent sayings that are within their holy writings (Just as self proclaimed satanists whould be monitored for violent or suspicious bad activity).


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[Bible Highlighter]

I still don't know where you get this "overnight" thing from.

Did you watch the video I posted on Trump?

The "made legal" idea you have is a good one. They go back to their own country and then come back through the same methods that all the immigrants who came here legally used to become legal citizens of this country. Then they would be made legal.

We do not agree. Your suggesting a forced deportation. How are you going to force undocumented people out? You are then looking at a deportation force (Which will lead to violence, death, racism, and a blow to our economy).


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[Aldebaran]

Did you watch the video I posted on Trump?

Well, ok I don't agree with him that it can literally be done overnight.

We do not agree. Your suggesting a forced deportation. How are you going to force undocumented people out? You are then looking at a deportation force (Which will lead to violence, death, racism, and a blow to our economy).

Either forced or voluntary could be fine. Voluntary in the sense that we could change conditions to make it not so easy or inviting to break the law. Other countries do that. Even Mexico does that. Try crossing the border illegally into Mexico and start trying to work there and get a home and drive on their roads without a Mexican driver's license and collect benefits. You'd eventually be found out and arrested.

Now I'll address your concerns about a deportation force. First, violence and death would only come if they decided to put up a fight. You no doubt notice that happens when you put up a fight against the police when they try to enforce laws. Racism? Deportation forces do not cause racism. A blow to our economy? I assume you mean because illegals were hired here and now it would create a bunch of vacated jobs if they weren't here anymore. Too bad! The people that hired them broke the law by hiring them anyway. Now they can hire legal Americans rather than illegals.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well, ok I don't agree with him that it can literally be done overnight.

Then you shouldn't vote for him because if he gets into the oval office (i.e. a place of power) and does impliment a deportation force and ends up causing unnecessary death, violence, racism, and a blow to our economy, you will be in part to blame for putting him into power to be able to do that.

Either forced or voluntary could be fine.

So now you are going back to it being a forced deportation as being okay?
A forced deporation would seek to do it overnight or within a short amount of time.
Again, this would lead to violence, death, racism, and a blow to our economy.

Voluntary in the sense that we could change conditions to make it not so easy or inviting to break the law. Other countries do that. Even Mexico does that. Try crossing the border illegally into Mexico and start trying to work there and get a home and drive on their roads without a Mexican driver's license and collect benefits. You'd eventually be found out and arrested.

Undocumented workers today cannot have a driver's license or benefits from the US. They are under the radar and not documented by the government. They know better then to document themselves.

Now I'll address your concerns about a deportation force. First, violence and death would only come if they decided to put up a fight. You no doubt notice that happens when you put up a fight against the police when they try to enforce laws. Racism? Deportation forces do not cause racism. A blow to our economy? I assume you mean because illegals were hired here and now it would create a bunch of vacated jobs if they weren't here anymore. Too bad! The people that hired them broke the law by hiring them anyway. Now they can hire legal Americans rather than illegals.

No. Violence, and racism would sky rocket by even others if they knew a certain group of people were being deported enmass. History has a way of repeating itself. The better way is to fine them and collect on tax back pay. Forcing them out will only lead to problems for us. Also, if the economy suffers as a result of this deportation, then you are basically saying you do not care about America's economy (Which in turn effects you and your family). What if you had to live on the streets because this incident helped the economy to collapse all the more? Would you be happy then that you voted for Trump?

Side Note:

Please take note that before you appeared to be against deporting people overnight enmass. Now, it appears you are leaning in that direction. Is it because you do not want to be wrong?




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[Bible Highlighter]

Also, imagine you found out that you were adopted and you discovered that your real parents that you had a formed a good relationship with over the years had told you in confidence that they are undocumented. You care for them deeply and love them. They are your parents. They are loving people and hard workers. In fact, you even got them to accept Jesus as their Savior. But one day the Law is passed and an armored van shows up your parent's house and chases your dad . The police shoots and kills him because he is running. How would you feel about this deportation policy then?


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[Aldebaran]

Then you shouldn't vote for him because if he gets into the oval office (i.e. a place of power) and does impliment a deportation force and ends up causing unnecessary death, violence, racism, and a blow to our economy, you will be in part to blame for putting him into power to be able to do that.

Would you rather be part of the blame for the things that could happen in a Clinton presidency? Or are you just going to sit out the election and claim not to be to blame for anything because you didn't DO anything?

So now you are going back to it being a forced deportation as being okay?
A forced deporation would seek to do it overnight or within a short amount of time.
Again, this would lead to violence, death, racism, and a blow to our economy.

That's your opinion, both about how it would happen and what the result would be.

Undocumented workers today cannot have a driver's license or benefits from the US. They are under the radar and not documented by the government. They know better then to document themselves.

I guess some criminals are smart. Do illegal things and then stay under the radar so you don't get caught. That's not surprising. What does surprise me is that you seem to endorse it.

No. Violence, and racism would sky rocket by even others if they knew a certain group of people were being deported enmass. History has a way of repeating itself. The better way is to fine them and collect on tax back pay. Forcing them out will only lead to problems for us. Also, if the economy suffers as a result of this deportation, then you are basically saying you do not care about America's economy (Which in turn effects you and your family). What if you had to live on the streets because this incident helped the economy to collapse all the more? Would you be happy then?

Our economy isn't suffering due to a lack of workers. It's suffering from overregulation and over taxation.

Please take note that before you appeared to be against deporting people overnight enmass. Now, it appears you are leaning in that direction. Is it because you do not want to be wrong?

You are conflating my position as being equal to Trump's in every way. I told you how I personally felt, but you seem to like to make me out to be equal to Trump for some reason.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Would you rather be part of the blame for the things that could happen in a Clinton presidency? Or are you just going to sit out the election and claim not to be to blame for anything because you didn't DO anything?

My not voting does not mean I am in support of either of them. Not voting means I am not endorsing them. Actually, God does not want me to be involved in the ways of the world. The LORD would rather have me focus on Him and His good ways.

That's your opinion, both about how it would happen and what the result would be.

No. It's called history repeats itself and or it's called common sense.

I guess some criminals are smart. Do illegal things and then stay under the radar so you don't get caught. That's not surprising. What does surprise me is that you seem to endorse it.

No. I do not endorse undocumented people or the breaking of the Law. If you were paying attention, I said that they should pay a fine and back tax pay.

Our economy isn't suffering due to a lack of workers. It's suffering from overregulation and over taxation.

We only have cheap things here because somebody else is working for less money somewhere else. Our trade with China (which Trump wants to mess with) helps you to buy things cheaply.

You are conflating my position as being equal to Trump's in every way. I told you how I personally felt, but you seem to like to make me out to be equal to Trump for some reason.

Not sure why you don't get it. If you vote for a person you are helping to get into power whereby you know they will do things that are both bad and good, you are just as guilty as they are for endorsing them. You cannot cut out the bad and be like I didn't vote for that. You are either all in or all out. I choose to be all out by not voting.

In other words, you cannot vote for only the good a candidate will do. Our voting capability does not allow for that option. You have to vote for them as a person (endorsing both their good and their evil). For what does voting do? It places that person into power (Whereby they will do both good and evil). My silent vote (by way of prayer) is for Jesus Christ. For Jesus can only do that which is good (Because He is God).


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[Aldebaran]

My not voting does not mean I am in support of either of them. Not voting means I am not endorsing them. Actually, God does not want me to be involved in the ways of the world. The LORD would rather have me focus on Him and His good ways.

I've been told by people with the same mindset that it's also not right to have a job and earn a living because that's also a "way of the world". Gotta draw the line somewhere. Make a difference when and where you can.

No. I do not endorse undocumented people or the breaking of the Law. If you were paying attention, I said that they should pay a fine and back tax pay.

Well, the law is what it is, and the penalty for illegally crossing the border is deportation. If you want it changed, then vote for lawmakers who will change it for you.

We only have cheap things here because somebody else is working for less money somewhere else. Our trade with China (which Trump wants to mess with) helps you to buy things cheaply.

That's called competition. If a plumber comes to your house to fix a pipe and wants to charge you $200, and you ask a different plumber for his estimate and he says he'll charge you $150 and you hire him, should the first one be driven out of business because he's working for less?

Not sure why you don't get it. If you vote for a person you are helping to get into power whereby you know they will do things that are both bad and good, you are just as guilty as they are for endorsing them. You cannot cut out the bad and be like I didn't vote for that. You are either all in or all out. I choose to be all out by not voting.

Fine. Be all out. But you're still in this country and get to live under the rules of whoever is voted in, partially because you didn't bother voting for the other person.

In other words, you cannot vote for only the good a candidate will do. Our voting capability does not allow for that option. You have to vote for them as a person (endorsing both their good and their evil). For what does voting do? It places that person into power (Whereby they will do both good and evil). My silent vote (by way of prayer) is for Jesus Christ. For Jesus can only do that which is good (Because He is God).

You can vote Jesus Christ into your life as your savior without having to not vote for who is going to be the president of your country. It's not a "one or the other" deal.