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IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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Its very simple to understand. There is one specefic verse that I will post because I dont feel like posting a ton of passages that each of you can look and study for yourselves.

Romans 3:31
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We arent under the Law in the flesh, but we establish Gods Law beginning with the 10 commandments in Spirit and in Truth.
 
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Its very simple to understand. There is one specefic verse that I will post because I dont feel like posting a ton of passages that each of you can look and study for yourselves.

Romans 3:31
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We arent under the Law in the flesh, but we establish Gods Law beginning with the 10 commandments in Spirit and in Truth.
 
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Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

This is a verse missed by many and it says so much. I have heard many say that the Law was given by God to give us a guide to follow or that you are expected to follow it to be approved by God. This is just not the case. It was given to show us that we need him and not a set of rules.

Regarding the 10 commandments, I hold to the belief that you should love God and your neighbor and you will be more able to live a Godly life than a complicated set of rules. I am not saying that I am completely successful at it but that is where the mercy of God kicks in.
 
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Can a person give verbal disobedience to a parent and stay saved

Honor your father and mother is not really just obedience in general if you are an adult. It is about respect and helping them in love but not at the expense of preaching the gospel and helping the poor. Not honoring your parents is like breaking the 2nd greatest Commandment (To love your neighbor); See my post #129 (below) to see my references in Scripture.

Anyways, Jesus talks about those who break the command to dishonor their parents by the sake of their own tradition:

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God?
4 For instance, God says, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’
5 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’
6 In this way, you say they don’t need to honor their parents. And so you cancel the word of God for the sake of your own tradition." (Matthew 15:3-6) (NLT).

Let's just say Jesus was not too pleased with the Pharisees over this. In fact, he called them hypocrites because of this. In fact, Jesus says if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17). For the New Covenant believer today: This would be the commands given to us by Jesus Christ and His followers because we are under a New Covenant (with the Old Covenant having become obsolete - See Hebrews 8:13). But this does not mean there are not Moral Laws for us to obey in order to stay right with God. For God is good, and His people are good, too. For they are a reflection of God (working in their life and proof that He is living in them).

You said:
, or can a person keep Sunday and be saved,

Sunday is not the weekly Sabbath.
It is Saturday from Friday to sundown to Saturday sundown. But Paul says in Colossians 2:16 that we are not to judge according to Sabbaths. So the Saturday Sabbath is not a binding command anymore (Also see Romans 14:5).

You said:
can a person covet your car or house or hi-fi or computer and stay saved?

No. Coveting is one of the sins listed by Paul as being a grievous sin that can keep you out of God’s Kingdom.

"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God" (Ephesians 5:5).

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows" (1 Timothy 6:10).

I hope this helps you;
And may God's love shine upon you today.
 
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Paul preached to the Jews in the synagogues on the Sabbath. But they tried to kill him several times for teaching against the Sabbath and Moses.
 
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No body is talking about unrepentant sin. We are talking about the sin of rejecting the New Covenant and replacing it with the Old. Which is what you are doing when you place yourself and others back under the law.
 
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Of course the "works of the Law" do not justify, as any Christian truly understands, but just as the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah, and other prophetic books talk about, exactly the same as Jesus Christ declared, as well as the Apostle Paul, that through Repentance and Faith in Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit of God is given to those that are his, enabling us to learn and put into a very real action of abiding in Jehovah's Law from a true heart and soul that has the Holy spirit Dwelling within. Jesus is not just our Savior and lord, but the pure example of what it means to abide in Gods Law and it all hinges on two things...Love the Lord with all your being and Love our neighbor as we would ourselves regardless of the expense it cost us. Never would I see my abiding in Gods Laws as a means of justification, nor should any true believer, but striving and abiding in His Laws, is out of Love and Reverence for the Creator that knows better than myself or anyone else. Again, just as Paul says, and we cannot ignore it by just quoting off another verse that suits the misconstrued idea that "salvation is not of works" means that justification is just some agreement we intellectually acknowledge with our minds in order to change our destiny after we die. Justification is By Gods Grace through Faith(belief, trust) in the Messiah Jesus alone and a new life follows.

Now I ask anyone, that comes to try and rebut what I say with some random out of context verse to support a meaningless salvation only as a ticket to heaven, to really think about what I am saying and gauge yourself. Ask yourself this one question, "What Law of God is grieveous to you?" What Law are you in disdain with to go to the place of quoting scriture like Romans 20 in order to avoid a life of following Gods Law? Then i say to you, Go read the Sermon on the Mount and seek to understand what the purpose and substance of Gods law actually is. Its not a mere set of rules, but that which God has declared right.
 
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ACTS.15: = 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Fyi, synagogues are places where Jews congregate to worship God and preach/read Moses Law. By your logic, Gentile Christians should now be required to go to Jewish synagogues every Sabbath to learn to abstain from defilements of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Jews and Jewish Christians going to their synagogues every Sabbath to hear Moses Law being preached and read has no connection whatsoever to the exemptions from the Law given to Gentile Christians at ACTS.15:28-29. It is a bit of a stretch for you to connect the two.
....... It's like saying, "Jesus Christ died on the Cross on the Sabbath and Passover day. So, people can only be saved on the Sabbath and Passover day and Gentile Christians must also keep the Sabbath and Passover day."

Also, ACTS.15:28-29 exempted the Gentile Christians even from the Biblical or Jewish or Old Testament Sabbath law if it proved a burden to them. Today, in most countries, the Biblical or Jewish or Old Testament Sabbath law is definitely a burden for Gentile Christians, similar to the Circumcision law and Kosher foods law.

MATTHEW.23: = 1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men.
 
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What Law are you in disdain with to go to the place of quoting scriture like Romans 20 in order to avoid a life of following Gods Law?
Romans 20 .?
 
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Paul says that the Moral Law (like: Do not murder, do not covet, do not steal, etc.) is the equivalent of loving your neighbor (Romans 13:8-10). Paul does not mention the Sabbath here.

Not loving your neighbor is a salvation issue.

Love your neighbor (Mark 12:31).
Consequence if disobeyed:
(a) “He that loveth not knoweth not God.” (1 John 4:8 ) (cf. John 17:3)
(b) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:41-46) (cf. with Luke 10:25-37; For in Luke 10, we learn that to help the poor is to love your neighbor).

Love one another (i.e. Love the brethren) (1 John 4:7)
Consequence if disobeyed:
(a) “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15).
(b) “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.” (1 John 2:9). (c) “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).
 
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Not loving your neighbor is a salvation issue.
Not really true.

The command to love your neighbor originates from Moses Law, ie ...

Leviticus.19:17-18 = 17 ‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. 18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

In effect, you are stating that salvation is by keeping the Law.

Christians will only lose their salvation if they lose faith in Jesus Christ or renounce their faith in Christ or depart from the faith of Christ or '- faith'. Salvation comes by faith alone. At LUKE.23:43, an about-to-die but repentant robber who was crucified next to Jesus Christ was even saved from hell by faith in Christ.
....... Nevertheless, not loving your neighbor or not keeping the Law, either fully or partially(for Gentile Christians) may jeopardize one's faith in Christ, eg ...

1CORINTHIANS.5: = 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 
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Yes, the Law of Moses was fulfilled by Jesus the Savior. Those who believe in Jesus are covered. Usually, what's not as clear is Israel's civil laws. I've heard the Ten Commandments cover the following:

"Murder (Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 24:17,21)

Striking or cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15,17)

Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)

Failure to lock up a dangerous animal that results in someone’s death (Exodus 21:28-29)

Sorcery and Witchcraft (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 13:5, 1 Samuel 28:9)

Bestiality (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:16)

Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36)

Incest (Leviticus 18:6-18, 20:11-12,14,17,19-21)

Human sacrifice (Leviticus 20:2-5)

Adultery (Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22:22)

Homosexual acts (Leviticus 20:13)

Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14,16, 23)

False prophecy (Deuteronomy 18:20)

Refusal to obey a decision of a judge or priest (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Perjury in capital cases (Deuteronomy 19:16-19)

A woman falsely claiming to be a virgin before marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)

Sexual relations between a woman pledged to be married and a man other than her husband to be (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

Rebellion against parents (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)"

I would say working on the Sabbath is not a sin, but the rest are covered by the 10C.
 
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I hope you do not covet my ginger beer!
 
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Sorry but God established the ten. He also fulfilled them through Christ. What we establish are the commands of Christ. To love God above all and to love others as we love our self.
 
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Where's the news?
Why even ask the question unless there is something going on here of note.
Cherry-picking this verse out of context gives the wrong impression.
What do we find when we look at the context?

Romans 3:27-31
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
 
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