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IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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Hello LGW.

You seem to be adding to the scripture.
NOTE: KEEP in mind here the question was never over if gentile believers should obey God's 10 Commandments but to keep the Shadow laws of Moses, in this case CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation.
Acts 15:5
...“It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”

Where does the scripture say that, 'the Law of Moses', is the shadow law?

The point of Acts 15, is not that circumcision saves anyone. Rather, the pharisee Christians were claiming that Gentile believers needed to obey the law of Moses.

I will print it again.

Acts 15:5
...“It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.
 
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Which Bible has the following translation?

HEBREWS 4:9;11 [9], SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
 
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Of course a new covenant has a new mediator and it has a new terms (instead of circumcision we have Yeshua's blood). Also since there is no Temple, other things have also changed.
 
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A new covenant is a new agreement. You can't change where something is written and then declare it is a new covenant agreement? The agreement has to change for it to be a change of covenant.

I never said differently...of course there are new terms...
 
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I never said differently...of course there are new terms...
A new and better (and far more superior) way... same goal or aim (NC (commandments) and OC (commandments)), but different ways, and different terms...

God Bless!
 
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I was not being sly, nor was I insinuating anything. I directly accused you of adding to the scripture.

This passage is not talking about obeying the Sabbath day.

Hebrews 4
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

Entering that rest (His rest) is a rest from your own futile works.

'For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works'

That was the verse you omitted, the verse that identifies the subject the author was highlighting. Entering the rest God has created and not your own dead works.
 
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We agree more than we disagree IMO regarding you post above. My only question to you from your post above is WHAT do you consider is "the law given to us by Christ" and HOW do we show we follow it?? BTW, there is nothing wrong with circumcision per se but it will not provide eternal salvation. That is what Paul meant.
 
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Hello LGW.
You seem to be adding to the scripture.

Really David? Now what do you think I am adding to scripture? How bout you prove your claims instead of making random statements? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.


CIRCUMCISION is from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) not from the 10 COMMANDMENTS. Please find circumcision written in the 10 Commandments? (Exodus 20:3-17). They were being directed to the law of Moses for CIRCUMCISION.

Where does the scripture say that, 'the Law of Moses', is the shadow law?

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

HEBREWS 10:1-10 [1] FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME., and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. [DAY OF ATONEMENT; Leviticus 23].
[4], For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, Sacrifice and offering you would not, but a body have you prepared me:
[6], In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, See, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you would not, neither had pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.
[10], By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Is it talking about Gods 10 commandments or the MOSIAC BOOK OF THE LAW (Deuteronomy 31:24)?

You you mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's eternal law that gives as a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; 7:7; Pslams 19:7-9)


David your twisting the scriptures. Where do you think the law of CIRCUMCISION comes from? Yep you guessed it the law of Moses from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) not God's 10 Commandments.

Guess that did not go to well for you now did it Dave? God does not have one set of laws for the Jewish Christains and a different set of laws for the Gentils Christians in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12)

Hope this helps
 
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I will put my laws in their minds and I will inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God and they will be my people.

I will remove the hearts of stone from their bodies and I will give them tender hearts, so that they may follow my statutes and observe my regulations and carry them out. Then they will be my people, and I will be their God.

He here is speaking to other Jews...so we know what "laws" mean.
 
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What you are teaching is completely unbiblical. Where is this message in the Bible? Where are the gentiles taught that understanding the old covenant is the key to understanding the new covenant?
 
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What you are teaching is completely unbiblical. Where is this message in the Bible? Where are the gentiles taught that understanding the old covenant is the key to understanding the new covenant?

Yet here you are still not being able to respond to the scriptures shared with you. No one is saying what you have posted above.
 
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Yet here you are still not being able to respond to the scriptures shared with you. No one is saying what you have posted above.
That's the problem. Your problem, not my problem.

What you are teaching is completely unbiblical. Where is this message in the Bible? Where are the gentiles taught that understanding the old covenant is the key to understanding the new covenant?
 
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That's the problem. Your problem, not my problem.

What you are teaching is completely unbiblical. Where is this message in the Bible? Where are the gentiles taught that understanding the old covenant is the key to understanding the new covenant?

You seem to be making things up now that no one has said to you. Do you have any scripture to share?
 
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Again the claim that somehow it is God's WORD when you quote the Bible but not God's WORD when I quote the Bible. Why do you elevate your posts above the posts of everyone else?
 
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Definition:
A database is an organized collection of data, stored and accessed electronically.
 
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You seem to be making things up now that no one has said to you. Do you have any scripture to share?
How could I have any scripture to share? You have stolen God's WORD and now claim to be the sole owner. (in your mind anyway)
 
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Again the claim that somehow it is God's WORD when you quote the Bible but not God's WORD when I quote the Bible. Why do you elevate your posts above the posts of everyone else?

Hello Steve,

We should not point people to the teachings of men over the Word of God. For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. Who am I that he should choose me out of the world? I am no one but he is all. If I did not believe him I would not know him. What can I do without him? He is love and now I love. I follow him now because I love him who first loved me. I do not judge you but His Word will judge us because they are there for all to see. All are welcome to see and hear God's Word, however many are called but few are chosen.
 
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Don't waste time pasting reams of data from your database in your posts. I only read the first few lines. If you actually have something important to say, that's is where you should put it. I'm not interesting in being reprogrammed to your personal way of thinking. Plain and simple. You are wrong in your claims.
 
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I have an electronic bible and God's Holy Spirit of truth
So, not only have you stolen the Bible, you have also stolen the Holy Spirit? What do you have planned for your next heist? The whole trinity? Oh wait, you don't believe in the Trinity.
 
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