Is it really possible for God to take the form of a Man (Jesus) ?

[firegunner]

I feel this is a common logical mistake people make when they says God can do anything and God can beome a man
God has his own limitations as he cannot create another another uncreated God,God cant do weak ,silly or foolish things. He is limited because he is God and he does only Godly things.

Now if you say he is man and he is God as the sametime. Then i have a natural question.

Could they kill him or not ?

Is he mortal or immortal ?
God is immortal and man is mortal .Which was he if he is both ?.

If he is a man ,then a man be definition is mortal and has his limitations. He doesnt know everything. That's what makes him a man .
If God is man , then what is this being (Jesus) then ?Does he know somethings or everything?

If he knows somethings , then he is Man . And if he knows everything ,then he is God . You see. Similarly , If he is mortal , then he is man and if he is immortal then he is God.


So you see you cannot combine the 2 and so far noone has done it to my satisfaction

So can anyone help explain how a being can be both God and Man at the same time ?

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[3rdHeaven]

Could God create a rock heavier then he can lift?

been already answered in another thread

As for God taking on human form and still be God,

easily.

 

[drich0150]

I feel this is a common logical mistake people make when they says God can do anything and God can become a man

God has his own limitations as he cannot create another another uncreated God,God cant do weak ,silly or foolish things. He is limited because he is God and he does only Godly things.
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..And who are you to judge what is "Godly"

Could they kill him or not ?

Only if He wished or allowed them to take the life of the body He indwelt.

Is he mortal or immortal ?

The body or the Essence?

God is immortal and man is mortal .Which was he if he is both ?.

Just because God pours Himself into a body of a Man He does not cease to be God.

If he is a man ,then a man be definition is mortal and has his limitations. He doesn't know everything. That's what makes him a man .
If God is man , then what is this being (Jesus) then ?Does he know somethings or everything?

Clearly He only knew what the Father told Him while He was a man.

If he knows somethings , then he is Man . And if he knows everything ,then he is God . You see.

ah, no.. Do you honestly believe God the Son is bound by your understanding of Him?

Similarly , If he is mortal , then he is man and if he is immortal then he is God.

So you see you cannot combine the 2 and so far noone has done it to my satisfaction

So.. Because You can Not understand the nature of God, then God is not allowed to exist beyond your comprehension?
..And who are you??

So can anyone help explain how a being can be both God and Man at the same time ?

Thought you would never ask

Look at it like this:

Jesus was a vessel, just a body like any other. Matter of fact there were many people who shared that name in his Day.

Christ was/Is God.

Now instead of Jesus receiving a soul like you or I have, Jesus received Christ/God the Son. So basically the body or Man part of Jesus was like you or I. It had limits He had to be nursed, changed, washed and fed. Most likely He got sick and smashed his thumb with a hammer and bled like the rest of us would.

The big difference was the were his soul would normally have been, resided God the Son. Now all of the attributes you want to ascribe to God the Son, give that to The Christ. Now all of the things that make men mortal Give that to Jesus the Man born of Marry.

So you see it is not so difficult to reconcile your understanding of how an All Powerful God can take the form of a man. If you want to look past your understanding of God the Son.


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[hedrick]

No, it's not a logical problem. There are two common ways of looking at the incarnation.

1) God took on a bodily existence. He used an actual human body with an actual human mind, soul, etc. So of course it's mortal, with a finite brain. But because God was using it as his human presence, when you talked to this man you were talking to God himself, although in a human form.

2) God chose an actual human being to be his presence in human history. Again, he is mortal and has finite understanding. But God identified with him so closely that God also experiences what he experienced, and God made sure that his life showed us what God is like.

(1) is the more common approach. Both (1) and (2) were considered orthodox when the primary standard was written (the formula of Chalcedon), but just about everyone that taught (2) was eventually condemned.

The reason there's no contradiction is that human characteristics apply to God's human existence (in Christian theology, his human nature), not to God as he is in eternity. The human existence uses an actual human body, mind, soul, etc.

 

[razeontherock]

Now if you say he is man and he is God as the sametime. Then i have a natural question.

Could they kill him

Yes

or not ?

Yes

Is he mortal

Yes

or immortal ?

Yes

God is immortal and man is mortal .Which was he if he is both ?.

You already answered correctly, and you still ask? He was both.

If he is a man ,then a man be definition is mortal and has his limitations. He doesnt know everything. That's what makes him a man .

Correct!

If God is man , then what is this being (Jesus) then ?Does he know somethings or everything?

If he knows somethings , then he is Man . And if he knows everything ,then he is God . You see. Similarly , If he is mortal , then he is man and if he is immortal then he is God.

You see you have overstepped the bounds of logic, by trying to limit the G-d who is above His creation, to your own logic. Which in itself, is illogical.

So you see you cannot combine the 2 and so far noone has done it to my satisfaction

So can anyone help explain how a being can be both God and Man at the same time ?

You are attempting to discuss something called "hypostatic union." You are perhaps under the false impression that our understanding, or our intellect, is what saves us. It is not. The best answer for your query is to experience Christ in you, which is hypostatic union. Suggested reading would be the subject of theosis, within the Orthodox Faith.

 

[firegunner]

You see you have overstepped the bounds of logic, by trying to limit the G-d who is above His creation, to your own logic. Which in itself, is illogical.
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How is my logic - illogical ?
What do you mean when you say God become a man ?
Are you trying to tell me that he was a God before. he was born and 2011 years ago , he surrendered all his powers and become a Man for 30 years .

So are you trying in this period of 30 years as a man , there was no God anymore in the Universe ?

But all the power comes from God , how could there be no God ?

He was both

How could be be both ? Both are opposites . God is immortal and Man is mortal .How can be be both . You cant combine them .

I simply have a natural question . Can they kill him or not ?
If they can kill him ,he is a man . If they cant , then he is God .

It similar to the concept :

Can you be Tall and short at the same time ? No
Can you be fat and thin at the same time ? No

Similarly how could a being be Mortal and Immortal ? Its not possible and Its illogiical .If you have a better logic , then please show me , I want to know about it

And what does the Bible tell us about God's nature and attributes? Well it makes it very clear that God is not a man, he has a different nature, as it says in Numbers 23:19:

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

This message is also repeated in 1 Samuel 15:29:

And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

So the God of the Bible makes it very clear that he is not a man, nor the son of man!

Yet what about Jesus? Well let us see what Jesus said in John 8:40:
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

So Jesus is a man, God is not a man, therefore to put it short Jesus is not God. .
　
We read in Malachi 3:6:
For I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT

So the God of the Bible clearly states that he doesn't change, his nature is forever consistent and is the same!

If God gave up his divine right, and took on the flesh then he truly changed and went against his nature, and God clearly says he does not change nor go against his nature.

So you are in a major dilemma now, either you let God be, meaning he is not a man, and that his nature doesn't change. Or you make God into a liar, claiming he did change his nature by becoming a man and taking on the flesh! It is up to the you as to which option you choose, but either way you still lose, because you either accept the reality that Jesus wasn't God, or you may end up calling God a liar

Now the Bible does identify God, and what makes this interesting is that God is not identified as Jesus, rather Jesus is excluded from the identification! We read from Jesus himself:

After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:1-3)

So in the above Jesus identifies who the ONLY TRUE GOD is, and this God is identified as being the Father. Jesus cannot make himself any clearer; he refers to the Father as the only true God, which obviously excludes anyone else.
　
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[brinny]

I feel this is a common logical mistake people make when they says God can do anything and God can beome a man
God has his own limitations as he cannot create another another uncreated God,God cant do weak ,silly or foolish things. He is limited because he is God and he does only Godly things.

Now if you say he is man and he is God as the sametime. Then i have a natural question.

Could they kill him or not ?

Is he mortal or immortal ?
God is immortal and man is mortal .Which was he if he is both ?.

If he is a man ,then a man be definition is mortal and has his limitations. He doesnt know everything. That's what makes him a man .
If God is man , then what is this being (Jesus) then ?Does he know somethings or everything?

If he knows somethings , then he is Man . And if he knows everything ,then he is God . You see. Similarly , If he is mortal , then he is man and if he is immortal then he is God.


So you see you cannot combine the 2 and so far noone has done it to my satisfaction

So can anyone help explain how a being can be both God and Man at the same time ?

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God MADE (created) man. What would prevent him from sending His only begotten Son to earth in the form of man to accomplish what He wills? Is anything too difficult for God, the Alpha and Omega, the Creator Himself. What is bigger and mightier than Him that could prevent Him from doing so?

 

[earagun]

I feel this is a common logical mistake people make when they says God can do anything and God can beome a man
God has his own limitations as he cannot create another another uncreated God,God cant do weak ,silly or foolish things. He is limited because he is God and he does only Godly things.

Now if you say he is man and he is God as the sametime. Then i have a natural question.

Could they kill him or not ?

Is he mortal or immortal ?
God is immortal and man is mortal .Which was he if he is both ?.

If he is a man ,then a man be definition is mortal and has his limitations. He doesnt know everything. That's what makes him a man .
If God is man , then what is this being (Jesus) then ?Does he know somethings or everything?

If he knows somethings , then he is Man . And if he knows everything ,then he is God . You see. Similarly , If he is mortal , then he is man and if he is immortal then he is God.


So you see you cannot combine the 2 and so far noone has done it to my satisfaction

So can anyone help explain how a being can be both God and Man at the same time ?

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First of all God is a Spirit, and we do not know enough about spirits to say what they can and can't do, what I do know is I could kill someone and in no way shape or form could I kill their spirit (soul) it would escape, their body would fall to the ground lifeless, It was merely a host for the spirit to live. where spirits go after the body dies, the bible says those that believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior, go to be with Him, all others, have to wait for judgement day, then they will be judged according to their works

 

[firegunner]

God MADE (created) man. What would prevent him from sending His only begotten Son to earth in the form of man to accomplish what He wills? ?

You said "" sending His only begotten Son""So you mean God had split himself into 2 beings, Father in heaven and Son on earth ,so you dont believe he actuallt transformed himself to a Man for those 30 years

Also could you elaborate a bit more on the term "begotten" son as I understand Jesus was created miraculously without a human father and Adam was created even more miraculously from the dust without father and mother .So both were created miraculously .God is creator of the universe and The whole universe could be called his son so, metamorphically is the father of everything

And if you read Psalms 2:7 , he calls David as his begotten son
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Thou (O David) ART MY SON; this day have I (God) BEGOTTEN thee." PSALMS 2:7

From my interpretation of this ,I understand that if a person especially a Prophet is faithful to God, he is like a right hand man and this kind of right hand man is called a Son of God.

Please do correct me if I am wrong , i would like to know more

Is anything too difficult for God, the Alpha and Omega, the Creator Himself. What is bigger and mightier than Him that could prevent Him from doing so

Well look at it this way.

God by definition in uncreated thus he cannot create another God.

God is immortal and thus he cannot become a mortal.

God is perfect in every sense and he does perfect things .He cannot do weak and foolish things.

Hope you understand the point which I am trying to make, that he does have some limitations

 

[ThankGod]

God is God; He can do whatever He wants. Thank God He's God. He's perfect. He's everything. He's life. Thank Him for being alive. Period. Thank Jesus for giving you the opportunity to know God.

God bless. This is why my name is "ThankGod". Because we seriously need to Thank God.

 

[lesliedellow]

I feel this is a common logical mistake people make when they says God can do anything and God can beome a man
God has his own limitations as he cannot create another another uncreated God,God cant do weak ,silly or foolish things. He is limited because he is God and he does only Godly things.​

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God can do anything except the logically impossible, and if it is logically impossible for him to become a man, that is at least not self evident. (Were it so, atheist logicians like A J Ayer would have been crowing about it long ago.)

 

[bling]

You seem to believe it could happen and is possible, so how would actually having a good logical explanation change you for the better?
If it is not going to really change you then it is just accidemic?

 

[edwardfsmith]

I am definitely not an expert on this
But I agree with you that God can not do everything.
If he is perfect, then he can not be imperfect.
If he has a perfect plan, then he can not go against his plan and make it imperfect.

Humans are imperfect. So God is not human. No he is God.

But even after saying that. Just look at how he has got around these “limitations” to being God.
He sent his son to earth.
He is a trinity.
And as far as his perfect plan. I am not so sure that it is not adaptable in some way that we can not comprehend.
Maybe there are in infinite number of versions of perfect plans? I really have no idea. But maybe there is some way for God to have a perfect plan and also be flexible?

You bring up Good logical points.
But I am afraid God is not bound by our logic.

His order of thinking is probably impossible for us to comprehend.

God seems to find a way to be to opposing ideas at the same time.
Which leads me to think he is a great God!

 

[someguy14]

Is it really possible for God

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

God is all good.

 

[razeontherock]

What do you mean when you say God become a man ?
Are you trying to tell me that he was a God before. he was born and 2011 years ago , he surrendered all his powers and become a Man for 30 years .

Surely not. As I have posted before in this very thread, you are ignoring hypostatic union.

How could be be both ? Both are opposites . God is immortal and Man is mortal .How can be be both . You cant combine them .

Ok, I'm going to get bored of saying hypostatic union before you get bored of hearing it. Google it. Read up on it.

I simply have a natural question . Can they kill him or not ?
If they can kill him ,he is a man . If they cant , then he is God .

I answered ALL of this, already. In a really long thread it's still easy to find my posts; all you have to do is click on display mode, at the bottom of the list is (threaded?) click on that, and you can scroll through the whole thread by poster, all in one window.

It similar to the concept :

Can you be Tall and short at the same time ? No
Can you be fat and thin at the same time ? No

d00d, it's not.

I want to know about it

So you say, but you won't pay attention to the answer. Or will you, now?

 

[razeontherock]

You said "" sending His only begotten Son""So you mean God had split himself into 2 beings, Father in heaven and Son on earth

Not 2 Beings, no:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

God is perfect in every sense and he does perfect things .He cannot do weak and foolish things.

Hope you understand the point which I am trying to make, that he does have some limitations

1Cr 1:25 the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[ebia]

I feel this is a common logical mistake people make when they says God can do anything and God can beome a man
God has his own limitations as he cannot create another another uncreated God,God cant do weak ,silly or foolish things. He is limited because he is God and he does only Godly things.

Now if you say he is man and he is God as the sametime. Then i have a natural question.

Could they kill him or not ?

Is he mortal or immortal ?
God is immortal and man is mortal .Which was he if he is both ?.

If he is a man ,then a man be definition is mortal and has his limitations. He doesnt know everything. That's what makes him a man .
If God is man , then what is this being (Jesus) then ?Does he know somethings or everything?

If he knows somethings , then he is Man . And if he knows everything ,then he is God . You see. Similarly , If he is mortal , then he is man and if he is immortal then he is God.

So you see you cannot combine the 2 and so far noone has done it to my satisfaction

So can anyone help explain how a being can be both God and Man at the same time ?

It is somewhat counter-intuitive. But if mathematics and physics can be counter-intuitive I don't see its an obstacle to God.

 

[firegunner]

Surely not. As I have posted before in this very thread, you are ignoring hypostatic union.

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  Ok, I'm going to get bored of saying hypostatic union before you get bored of hearing it. Google it. Read up on it.
  
  
  
  I answered ALL of this, already. In a really long thread it's still easy to find my posts; all you have to do is click on display mode, at the bottom of the list is (threaded?) click on that, and you can scroll through the whole thread by poster, all in one window.
  
  
  
  d00d, it's not.
  
  
  
  So you say, but you won't pay attention to the answer. Or will you, now?

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  Ok regarding the hypostatic union, is this the right place to study it ?
  
  carm.org/jesus-two-natures
  
  
  

  Matthew 19:26
  But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
  
  God is all good.

  
  Dude , i agree with you that God is all good and he does all good things but it is a logical mistake which people make when they say God can do anything .Its not true
  
  He cannot be both fully God and fully man.
  
  It's a contradictive statement, and it would be like saying a stupid and smart guy.
  
  As we all know God is not limited, however so in the case of man, man is limited! Therefore how can God be both limited and unlimited at the same time! God is FULLY unlimited and limited at the same time? Furthermore God is God, God is not a man, and man is man! So what is this God man! God is not of the man race (if you would like to phrase it like that!).
  
  Let me give you a few examples and you see for yourself if these phrases make any logical or rational sense:
  
  The man is fully fat and fully fit!
  The man is fully sad and fully happy!
  The man is fully hungry and fully full!
  
  All of the above are oxymorons, they don't make any sense, and they aren't true because their contradictive statements, it must be one or the other, it cannot be both.

 

[razeontherock]

Ok regarding the hypostatic union, is this the right place to study it ?

carm.org/jesus-two-natures

I'd think that would be as good as any. It's very standard, basic stuff. As long as you're not on a site hosted by cults like JW or Mormons, I'd think you'd get correct info.

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Dude , i agree with you that God is all good and he does all good things but it is a logical mistake which people make when they say God can do anything .Its not true

Correct! Now why do you assert what you state to ask about? Why do you not instead embrace what is currently a mystery to you, (the Incarnation) and watch it unfold into newness of Life that YOU experience?

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He cannot be both fully God and fully man.

It's a contradictive statement, and it would be like saying a stupid and smart guy.

No. You have posited opposites, a logical impossibility. Incarnation is not. Every born again believer experiences this to some degree, so obviously the ramifications to this are HUGE. You are misrepresenting the two natures; both of them, probably.

So what is this God man!

Indeed:

"And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?" (Mark 4:41)

 

[Emmy]

Dear firegunner. While Jesus lived on Earth, He was Man, born of Woman. ( as we are, born of woman) When we had moved too far away from God, to pay God`s Holy Law, it was the end of Mankind: OR?? God gave us another chance, God chose a worthy Virgin as the vessel to bring forth Jesus, human as we are, but filled with the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus lived as we are, completely Man, but also God without sin, or transgression. God could have given up on us, but God is Love. We have another chance. The Bible tells us to " Repent," to change our selfish and unloving character to: Loving God with all our beings, and loving our neighbour ( all others, whether friends or not friends) loving as we love ourselves: being kind and considerate, helpful and forgiving: in fact being Reborn, a new person.
God did not take the form of a Man, Jesus-God-Son became Man, and died as a Man. He paid the prize we could not pay, His Blood washed us clean and guiltless. Jesus is our Saviour and Jesus is waiting to lead us back to where we came from. God is our Heavenly Father, and God wants loving children. Love is our weapon to help us overcome all sinning and wrong-doings. Jesus will give us His Love and Joy, and the Holy Spirit will give us His Love, also. Jesus told us to " ask and ye will receive," and then we share all Love and Joy with all around us. We might stumble often, but we get up and ask God to forgive us. God will forgive us as we will forgive others, and then we carry on loving God with all our beings, and loving our neighbour as ourselves. I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.