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Is it really possible for God to take the form of a Man (Jesus) ?

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Ok regarding the hypostatic union, is this the right place to study it ?

carm.org/jesus-two-natures




Dude , i agree with you that God is all good and he does all good things but it is a logical mistake which people make when they say God can do anything .Its not true

He cannot be both fully God and fully man.

It's a contradictive statement, and it would be like saying a stupid and smart guy.

As we all know God is not limited, however so in the case of man, man is limited! Therefore how can God be both limited and unlimited at the same time! God is FULLY unlimited and limited at the same time? Furthermore God is God, God is not a man, and man is man! So what is this God man! God is not of the man race (if you would like to phrase it like that!).

Let me give you a few examples and you see for yourself if these phrases make any logical or rational sense:

The man is fully fat and fully fit!
The man is fully sad and fully happy!
The man is fully hungry and fully full!

All of the above are oxymorons, they don't make any sense, and they aren't true because their contradictive statements, it must be one or the other, it cannot be both.

You're treating Divinity and Humanity as diametrically opposed concepts. Here's a better set of analogous statements:

The rock is hard and flat.
The man is tall and skinny.
The dog is smart and hungry.

Deity is not the ontological opposite of humanity or vice versa. They are wholly different. But two wholly different things don't make them opposites. Flatness and hardness are wholly different qualities, but they aren't opposites, a rock can be both hard and flat, hardness and flatness are both ascribed to the rock without injury to logic.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'd think that would be as good as any. It's very standard, basic stuff. As long as you're not on a site hosted by cults like JW or Mormons, I'd think you'd get correct info.



Razor i have done the study of the hypostatic union I fully agree about the points mentioned his human attributes but mot about the points mentioned under divine attributes as I dont see any uniqueness in the divine attrbutes

1.)He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33).

Others were worshipped too

Abraham worshiped the Hittites (Genesis 23:7,12),
Isaac blesses Jacob to have all nations on earth worship him (Genesis 27:29),
Jacob worshiped Esau (Genesis 33:1-4),
Joseph's brothers worship him (Genesis 27:9-10; 42:3-6; 26-28),
Abigail worshiped David's servants (1 Samuel 25:40-41),
Saul worshiped the dead man Samuel (1 Samuel 28:14), the sons of the prophets worshiped Elisha (2 Kings 2:15),
David worshiped the Temple (Psalm 5:7) and all the people of Israel worshiped King David (1 Chronicles 29:20). And there are many more examples

But we must remember Jesus said

They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. (Matthew 15:9)"
"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. ( John 4:23)"

Again, here we clearly see how Jesus defined the true worship. It is the Worship of the Father alone!


2) He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)

People were called Gods in the Bible.This seems to be the language of the bible

Here is an example
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you a God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.


3)He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)

Again a lot of people where called Sons of God

(a)Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD." LUKE 3:38

(b) "when the SONS OF GOD came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." GENESIS 6:2 and 4

(c) " Thus saith the Lord, Israel is MY SON even my FIRSTBORN." EXODUS 4:22
(d) " and Ephraim is my FIRSTBORN." JEREMIAH 31:9
(e) " Thou (O David) ART MY SON; this day have I (God) BEGOTTEN thee." "?
(f) "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS
OF GOD." ROMANS 8:14

4)He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15).

When we read the Old Testament we can see that there were others who were sinless and even considered to be blameless:

Genesis 17:1
When Abrahamam was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless Deuteronomy 18:13
You must be blameless before the LORD your God. Psalm 18:23
I have been blameless before him and have kept myself from sin. Psalms 119:1
Blessed are they whose ways are blameless , who walk according to the law of the LORD. Proverbs 2:21
For the upright will live in the land, and the blameless will remain in it;
Proverbs 11:5
The righteousness of the blameless makes a straight way for them, but the wicked are brought down by their own wickedness. Ezekiel 28:15
You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

5) He knows all things (John 21:17).

This Contradicted by Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said that he does not know the Last hour
"No one knows when that day or hour will come. Even the angels in heaven and the Son don't know. Only the Father knows.

So that means he doesnt know everything and that would make him a Man rather than God

6) He gives eternal life (John 10:28).

By eternal Life I am assuming it mean heaven. So it means mean by following Jesus you get heaven

But you should note that He had also said

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)

Those who believe in the "one who sent Jesus" will have eternal life, and the one who sent Jesus is God, hence it is as I said above, by believing in God will be saved, the reason being is because you affirm that God sent the Jesus . By rejecting Jesus,one will be condemned because God is Jesus' witness, and by denying Jesus, you also deny God.

7)All the fullness of deity dwells in Him

I really dont get this ,because he said
(a) "And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is
GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth." MATTHEW 28:18

My father is greater than I and greater than all ,John 14:28
(b) I can of mine own self DO NOTHING: as I hear, I judge . . ."
JOHN 5:30

From the above verse , we understand that Jesus power is not his own and that the Father is greater than Him and greater than all. So where is deity in him when you can see that he is clearly lowering himself below God

So basically what is that quality that makes Jesus stand out from the rest ?
 
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Razor i have done the study of the hypostatic union I fully agree about the points mentioned his human attributes but mot about the points mentioned under divine attributes as I dont see any uniqueness in the divine attrbutes

1.)He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33).

Others were worshipped too

Abraham worshiped the Hittites (Genesis 23:7,12),
Isaac blesses Jacob to have all nations on earth worship him (Genesis 27:29),
Jacob worshiped Esau (Genesis 33:1-4),
Joseph's brothers worship him (Genesis 27:9-10; 42:3-6; 26-28),
Abigail worshiped David's servants (1 Samuel 25:40-41),
Saul worshiped the dead man Samuel (1 Samuel 28:14), the sons of the prophets worshiped Elisha (2 Kings 2:15),
David worshiped the Temple (Psalm 5:7) and all the people of Israel worshiped King David (1 Chronicles 29:20). And there are many more examples

You DO NOT have an example of a person being worshiped. Read again! Or should I say, actually read? Do you expect me to believe you read all this through and come up with these objections on your own, rather than serving up copypasta from Ihategod.com?

Again a lot of people where called Sons of God

(a)Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD." LUKE 3:38

You seem to be intentionally missing the point of the first man Adam, and the LAST man Adam ...

(b) "when the SONS OF GOD came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." GENESIS 6:2 and 4

(c) " Thus saith the Lord, Israel is MY SON even my FIRSTBORN." EXODUS 4:22
(d) " and Ephraim is my FIRSTBORN." JEREMIAH 31:9
(e) " Thou (O David) ART MY SON; this day have I (God) BEGOTTEN thee." "?

More copypasta from Ihategod.com, which doesn't understand Prophecy. You should use more discernment in choosing your teachers!

When we read the Old Testament we can see that there were others who were sinless and even considered to be blameless:

Genesis 17:1
When Abrahamam was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless Deuteronomy 18:13
You must be blameless before the LORD your God. Psalm 18:23
I have been blameless before him and have kept myself from sin. Psalms 119:1
Blessed are they whose ways are blameless , who walk according to the law of the LORD. Proverbs 2:21
For the upright will live in the land, and the blameless will remain in it;
Proverbs 11:5
The righteousness of the blameless makes a straight way for them, but the wicked are brought down by their own wickedness. Ezekiel 28:15
You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

This is ALL pure trash, in that none of this is saying anything that even resembles what you asserting. Sir, with all due respect, you DO NOT HAVE what it takes to go toe to toe with me on the subject. You have 2 choices; harden your heart against the Lord like Pharaoh did, or humble yourself before Him.

7)All the fullness of deity dwells in Him

I really dont get this

Correct! And this is an example of humility. Stick with that! Pursue the Truth, and don't lose track of humility.
 
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