Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

וַיְכַל אֱלֹהִים בַּיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, מְלַאכְתּוֹ אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה; וַיִּשְׁבֹּת בַּיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, מִכָּל-מְלַאכְתּוֹ אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה.

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I can look this up. You can make it easier if you provide the location of this text. My take is this from Genesis 2. So which word do you insist is the word "sabbath?"

listed said:

Not quite. You say your opinion is true and refuse to back it up with anything.

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But I DID back it up...

listed said:

I can look this up. You can make it easier if you provide the location of this text. My take is this from Genesis 2. So which word do you insist is the word "sabbath?"

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OK, here in English for you, since you don't need to know Hebrew...

שבת - Wiktionary

TheBibleIsTruth said:

Yeshua is ALMIGHTY GOD, He made the Law for US, not HIM, He can do as He pleases, and no one can say anything!

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But YOU said He had to keep all of the 613 laws!

Did He have to keep also the ones than man wrote and that were wrong?

Mathew 5:31-32

Whenever Jesus says "But I Say To You" He is CHANGING a law that was written by man but which goes against what God had originally intended.

In Moses time certificates of divorce were given out for the silliest reasons. God intended man and woman, when married, to stay together forever - so Jesus was adjusting a man-made law.

zoidar said:

Is it possible or not to keep the 10 commandments?

If it's not possible to keep the commandments, why do Jesus and also Paul say we are to keep the commandments?

John 14:15
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Matthew 5:19
Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17
And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

1 Timothy 6
13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

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Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

Jesus is primarily referring to His New Covenant teachings or commands and not the 10 alone. Yes, 9 out of the 10 Commands in the 10 Commandments (Minus the Sabbath) have been repeated in the New Testament for us, but the Lord was referring to the commands given by Him and His followers (like Peter, James, Paul, etc.).

Also, the Old Covenant Commands was more than just the 10. There were 615 Commands in the Law of Moses. At the time Jesus said these words in John 14:15, they would have been a mixture of certain Old Covenant Laws that were still in effect and the Pre-Cross teachings He gave us. Some of these OT Laws were changed even before the cross by Jesus Christ Himself.

For example, Jesus said,
38 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39).

But after Jesus died upon the cross, the Old Covenant was no more and many of it's laws (not all of them) do not apply anymore. For the Old Law (as a whole or package deal) is dead and no more.


But just because the Old Law is no more as a whole or package deal does not mean we are not under laws from God. We are under a New Covenant, with New Commands.

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing," (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15).

Jesus's sacrifice and or blood started a New Covenant. We are now officially under the New Covenant commands. Granted, there are some "Moral Laws" like bestiality, etc. that are not mentioned in the New Testament (But it is condemned in the Old Testament Law) that still applies obviously. But we as believers primarily look to the pages of the New Testament to obey God and not the pages of the Old Testament. The Old Law is only good if one uses it lawfully (See 1 Timothy 1:8).

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I didn't say that. You THOUGHT that because you know nothing regarding Torah.

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Well, sorry. I used the term 613 because GodsGrace used it in her questions. Obviously Jesus couldn't follow those which didn't apply to him. I wasn't thinking.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Do you read or understand Hebrew?

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Don't need to. I guess you're saying English translations are only supposed translations and just made up for fools.

listed said:

Your proof is....

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Genesis

listed said:

Your application is to the body of flesh only. Read what the next chapter says. Make note we are in Jesus Christ, not the body of flesh.

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You don't have any flesh on your body???

GodsGrace101 said:

But YOU said He had to keep all of the 613 laws!

Did He have to keep also the ones than man wrote and that were wrong?

Mathew 5:31-32

Whenever Jesus says "But I Say To You" He is CHANGING a law that was written by man but which goes against what God had originally intended.

In Moses time certificates of divorce were given out for the silliest reasons. God intended man and woman, when married, to stay together forever - so Jesus was adjusting a man-made law.

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"But YOU said He had to keep all of the 613 laws"., and exactly where did I say this?

listed said:

Where? cite the verse(s).

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I've been reading along and this argument is getting silly.
THE SABBATH means Saturday.
Do you wonder what all the debate is about as to whether we should keep THE SABBATH, which is Saturday, or the Lord's Day which is Sunday?

Sabato)
Sabado)
Saturni) SATURDAY, SABBATH

God rested on the LAST day of creation.
Saturday is the last day of the week.

TheBibleIsTruth said:

"But YOU said He had to keep all of the 613 laws"., and exactly where did I say this?

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You were rather horrified that Yeshua didn't keep all 613 laws.
You even explained to us how Yeshua is God.

You could look for the post yourself...

listed said:

Don't need to. I guess you're saying English translations are only supposed translations and just made up for fools.

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Although I agree that the bible was translated correctly and we do not need to know Hebrew or Greek, I do want to say that much is lost when translating from either the Hebrew or Greek.

Many words in different languages, which are a complete thought, are difficult to translate and so some "feeling" of the word is lost. This has to do with verbiage and culture.
If you know any foreign language, you'll know to what I'm referring.

Yarddog said:

Gees, how long of an exegesis do you want. I told you what Jesus was saying in those verses and you said that was nice but asked for it again. There is no need for a long discourse when a concise one can be given.

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So you don't know what it means to exegete a verse.
Interesting. (since you're the one who told me I don't know what the word means, incl eisegesis).
Pay attention when I do this...you could find out.

zoidar said:

Rom 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so

Rom 7:15 "For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 19 "For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.

Do you think Paul in Rom 7:15, 19 has a mind subjected to the law of God?

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See post #250.

GodsGrace101 said:

You were rather horrified that Yeshua didn't keep all 613 laws.
You even explained to us how Yeshua is God.

You could look for the post yourself...

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I never said what you claim I did.

Yarddog said:

Well, sorry. I used the term 613 because GodsGrace used it in her questions. Obviously Jesus couldn't follow those which didn't apply to him. I wasn't thinking.

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I applaud your honesty!

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Do you read or understand Hebrew?

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הִנֵּ֛ה יָמִ֥ים בָּאִ֖ים נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה וְכָֽרַתִּ֗י אֶת־בֵּ֧ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֛ל וְאֶת־בֵּ֥ית יְהוּדָ֖ה בְּרִ֥ית חֲדָשָֽׁה:

לאלֹ֣א כַבְּרִ֗ית אֲשֶׁ֚ר כָּרַ֙תִּי֙ אֶת־אֲבוֹתָ֔ם בְּיוֹם֙ הֶֽחֱזִיקִ֣י בְיָדָ֔ם לְהֽוֹצִיאָ֖ם מֵאֶ֖רֶץ מִצְרָ֑יִם אֲשֶׁר־הֵ֜מָּה הֵפֵ֣רוּ אֶת־בְּרִיתִ֗י וְאָֽנֹכִ֛י בָּעַ֥לְתִּי בָ֖ם נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה:
From Jeremiah 31:31, 32

Would you like to provide the translation, or do I need to?

TheBibleIsTruth said:

I never said what you claim I did.

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You know, there's too much of this on this thread...
"I didn't say that"
"show me where I said it"
"See post 250"
"I already answered you"

etc etc etc

listed said:

הִנֵּ֛ה יָמִ֥ים בָּאִ֖ים נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה וְכָֽרַתִּ֗י אֶת־בֵּ֧ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֛ל וְאֶת־בֵּ֥ית יְהוּדָ֖ה בְּרִ֥ית חֲדָשָֽׁה:

לאלֹ֣א כַבְּרִ֗ית אֲשֶׁ֚ר כָּרַ֙תִּי֙ אֶת־אֲבוֹתָ֔ם בְּיוֹם֙ הֶֽחֱזִיקִ֣י בְיָדָ֔ם לְהֽוֹצִיאָ֖ם מֵאֶ֖רֶץ מִצְרָ֑יִם אֲשֶׁר־הֵ֜מָּה הֵפֵ֣רוּ אֶת־בְּרִיתִ֗י וְאָֽנֹכִ֛י בָּעַ֥לְתִּי בָ֖ם נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה:

Would you like to provide the translation, or do I need to?

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Stop playing games...

GodsGrace101 said:

You know, there's too much of this on this thread...
"I didn't say that"
"show me where I said it"
"See post 250"
"I already answered you"

etc etc etc

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I think you must be on something? this post is not even mine!!!