Is it possible to be born again more than one time?

[Bible Highlighter]

No God does not have to agree with sin as He gives eternal life based on the Works of Christ.

God can forgive past sin based on what Christ did for us with His death, burial, and resurrection because we are throwing ourselves down before the mercy of God in seeking His forgiveness. But we know that life teaches us that if we think we can sin again, then we are not really sorry. God would also have to agree that we are not sorry and that we can sin again and that His sacrifice covers this bad attitude (or thinking) towards sin.

It would be like a husband who tells his wife that he is sorry that he cheated on her and yet the husband had no real intention that he is going to stop. Is the husband genuinely sorry in this case? No. Why would God regard a person who is not truly sorry or repentant?

 

[Al Touthentop]

No God does not have to agree with sin as He gives eternal life based on the Works of Christ.

Christ who taught people "go and sin no more." And his apostles who said that if a person sinned and then claimed he had a relationship with God was a liar. Paul who asked rhetorically, "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound?" And then answered his own question by saying, "Certainly not!"

Please. It is self-evident that one who sins has removed himself from God's grace.

That word grace is often taught as if it were a supernatural power when it is merely what God gives. And what does a Lieutenant give to his regiment? Commands. Commands which in time of war, save them. That's grace too. Without the commands, they'd die in battle. They may still die in battle but the commands they are given, can save them. God's commands are a lot more effective but they are of the same quality. They are given to us that we might live.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Right and how does this explain your assertions about the perseverance and preservation of the saints? It doesn’t.

Okay. Please look at the verses more closely that I have carefully put forth before hitting the reply button.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Correct. Then why did you try to make a verse say what it did not say?

It says what it says. Where did I try to make it say what it did not say? You haven't established that at all.

 

[Al Touthentop]

God can forgive past sin based on what Christ did for us with His death, burial, and resurrection because we are throwing ourselves down before the mercy of God in seeking His forgiveness. But we know that life teaches us that if we think we can sin again, then we are not really sorry. God would also have to agree that we are not sorry and that we can sin again and that His sacrifice covers this bad attitude (or thinking) towards sin.

It would be like a husband who tells his wife that he is sorry that he cheated on her and yet the husband had no real intention that he is going to stop. Is the husband genuinely sorry in this case? No. Why would God regard a person who is not truly sorry or repentant?

Nevermind. I am guilty of not reading your post completely. My bad.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Christ who taught people "go and sin no more."

And "Why do you call me Lord, but do not do what I say ? " to those who disobey Him.

 

[His student]

So, it seems it is your position that once a person is "saved" he can't really sin. And it is in his thinking that he can sin where he falls into error. Even if he murders his cheating wife, the thing he has done wrong is in thinking that he sinned, not murdering his wife.

The new man can not sin. The old man can do little else but sin.

You fail to differentiate between the two and therefore you have fallen into error.

He completes his work if we complete ours..............

Apparently you do not believe that He is the One Who began a good work in us for His glory.

But, be that as it may, it is very clear that you do not believe that, in the case of some, He will fulfill His promise to finish the work He has been involved in.

That's a matter of faith. Apparently you lack that faith. So be it.

You have made your position clear to all just as I have mine.

No need to repeat it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So, it seems it is your position that once a person is "saved" he can't really sin. And it is in his thinking that he can sin where he falls into error. Even if he murders his cheating wife, the thing he has done wrong is in thinking that he sinned, not murdering his wife.

Not sure how you got that out of what I said. I believe grievous unrepentant sin separates a person from God. My whole point is that one cannot sin and still be saved. In John 8, Jesus says that, "the person who sins is a.... "servant of sin." Jesus then continues to talk about this "servant of sin." Jesus says that the servant (i.e. servant of sin) will not abide in the house forever. In Matthew 13:41-42, we see an illustration of this. Christ will send forth his angels and they will gather out these sinning servants and cast them into the Lake of Fire at the Judgment. Sure, these "servants of sin" (who say they are of God) may be in Christ's Kingdom now, but at the Judgment, they will be removed, and cast into the fire to be burned (or destroyed). Matthew 7:23, and Matthew 7:26-27 also express this same truth, as well.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Apparently you do not believe that He is the One Who began a good work in us for His glory.

This is a gross misrepresentation. I said nothing like that at all.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Not sure how you got that out of what I said.

I was in error. My bad. I apologize. That wasn't what you were saying at all. Forgive me.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I was in error. My bad. I apologize. That wasn't what you were saying at all. Forgive me.

It's all good, brother.

 

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