Is it possible that the earth is only 6,000 or so years old?

[chris4243]

No this is not the best science can do - it is a carefully crafted and deliberate deception created and pushed to the forefront by those who do not love the truth

Instead of complaining about it, you should publish a more accurate alternative.

 

[valkyree]

Instead of complaining about it, you should publish a more accurate alternative.

many good people already have

 

[teagranny]

skywriting, I am not sure of your suggested exercise. If I were present one hour after the event of course it would be in the past but old or young? In what context?
Are you suggesting that the earth appeared young to Adam because he just came on the scene?

 

[miamited]

hi teagranny,

I'm curious, let's put our thinking caps on. How would the earth ever have 'appeared' young? What do you believe might have looked different to Adam if the earth had been created 5 days earlier verses how the earth looks to us right this moment?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[teagranny]

miamited thinking cap on......do you suppose I am a young child?
Why do you think I think the earth looked different 5 days after God created it compared to now?

If it seems that logic dictates old age because it takes time for oil and various stratums/stratus(?) to form since God was able to create in the first place couldn't He have just created stuff there?
What would be the point of God creating an earth and then just letting it hang around for a few eons then putting man on it?
How do you think it would have changed in old age?
I gather from the direction of your question you believe in an old earth, what do you see in the Bible that supports an old earth?

in peace I come

blessings to you too,

 

[miamited]

hi teagranny,

Sorry to have offended. I asked the question because of your prior response to Skywriting about the earth appearing young to Adam. I was just curious how Adam might have seen the earth as young.

NO,no, no I am a 6,000 year creationist myself, I was just curious because of your previous response. No harm intended and I'm in complete agreement that God put the trees on the earth and the rocks in the ground and could just as well have put the oil in the ground as a part of the near instantaneous formation of the earth 6,000 years ago.

By the way, the thinking cap thing wasn't intended to infer that you were a child. One of the finest teachers of the Scriptures I ever knew used to use that phrase a lot when we'd begin to really study and search the Scriptures. He'd read a passage and then look out to the fellowship in worship and say, "Ok, let's put our thinking caps on..." So, for me anyway, it was always a way to say, "Hey, let's really seriously look into this and study what this means."

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Keachian]

many good people already have

He meant jump through the hoops and run the gauntlet to get it published in a journal. It's not as hard as it sounds, after all so many evolutionists have gotten their stuff published.

 

[chris4243]

Instead of complaining about it, you should publish a more accurate alternative.

many good people already have

Could you point me to paper explaining the more accurate dating system please?

 

[chris4243]

I gather from the direction of your question you believe in an old earth, what do you see in the Bible that supports an old earth?

The parts that suggest God is not deceitful, also:

Romans 1:20 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, the earth can be close to 6,000 years old.

What exactly are you claiming for the properties of the cosmos after 6 days?
Is the earths crust.......what? Soft mud? If our Sun is 6 days old, are the gasses still gathering?

DOES your scenario say that the Cosmos would be 7 days old after Creation week?
It would all test out exactly 7 days old by modern scientists?

Because if you support a "Young Earth" then Creation week was all mushy rock,
soft crust and plants were all what? Still seeds?

See, I'm a strict biblical Creationist. I see the Creation week as an event that resulted
in a finished earth. Not soft rock, includes mountains, plants are already producing
fruit, etc. Science says that fruiting trees are more than 7 days old. So do the scriptures.
The scriptures point to an old earth at the end of Creation week. Young Earth believers
are not reading the scriptures literally or plainly enough.

 

[SkyWriting]

Could you point me to paper explaining the more accurate dating system please?

A dating system is no more accurate than weather forecasters can be.
And we use the most powerful computers known to man on that
problem every day of the week.

Not just some papers where people give various opinions on the past
based on some theories of degradation.

 

[SkyWriting]

No harm intended and I'm in complete agreement that God put the trees on the earth and the rocks in the ground and could just as well have put the oil in the ground as a part of the near instantaneous formation of the earth 6,000 years ago.

We don't know much about the process of how God forms things
"out of nothing". We do know that the results seems already "aged"
and ready for use. God wants us to believe he did it in 6 days.

That doesn't tell us how old it looks or what it's history is. Just the source.

 

[SkyWriting]

Why do you think I think the earth looked different 5 days after God created it compared to now?

If I plant a garden, it doesn't look like much after 1 week.
Nothing is ready to eat, no fruit, no nuts for protein.

I don't think Adam or Eve had the normal problems that
newborns have the first week. So I don't think our system
of ascribing age to things tells the biblical story accurately.
The Bible shows an aged earth. Men came up with the 6000
years number. God didn't.

 

[SkyWriting]

skywriting, I am not sure of your suggested exercise. If I were present one hour after the event of course it would be in the past but old or young? In what context? Are you suggesting that the earth appeared young to Adam because he just came on the scene?

I think it the Garden provided food and everything Adam needed. OK, the ladies were still missing. I think the Garden was a finished product for an adult Adam. And then God provided an another adult Eve. Everything God does appears "old" and ready for use. This is also true of everything Jesus did as well. So "Young Earth" is not a valid idea. God creates "old" because that what works. God isn't trying to "fool" anybody. A "young" earth isn't ready for use.

I understand that "Creation Scientists" are attempting to distance themselves from the old, natural idea of an ancient cosmos that births life all by itself. But we can't ignore the bible creating Adam and Eve as adults and the earth as a mature place, ready for habitation in 6 days. That's how it reads. Young earthers are listening to preachers, not God's actual words.

 

[chris4243]

A dating system is no more accurate than weather forecasters can be.
And we use the most powerful computers known to man on that
problem every day of the week.

Not just some papers where people give various opinions on the past
based on some theories of degradation.

Well I don't care if the creationist dating systems are less accurate than weather forecasts. That's why I use the uniformitarian dating systems, that are quite accurate and consistent (and give error ranges).

 

[SkyWriting]

Well I don't care if the creationist dating systems are less accurate than weather forecasts. That's why I use the uniformitarian dating systems, that are quite accurate and consistent (and give error ranges).

That's nice. Jesus just handed me some wine He created at a party.
Give me your best uniformitarian estimate.
I'm not going to judge you based on your analysis.
I'm quite forgiving.

 

[chris4243]

I think it the Garden provided food and everything Adam needed. OK, the ladies were still missing. I think the Garden was a finished product for an adult Adam. And then God provided an another adult Eve. Everything God does appears "old" and ready for use. This is also true of everything Jesus did as well. So "Young Earth" is not a valid idea. God creates "old" because that what works. God isn't trying to "fool" anybody. A "young" earth isn't ready for use.

I understand that "Creation Scientists" are attempting to distance themselves from the old, natural idea of an ancient cosmos that births life all by itself. But we can't ignore the bible creating Adam and Eve as adults and the earth as a mature place, ready for habitation in 6 days. That's how it reads. Young earthers are listening to preachers, not God's actual words.

Well I don't accept your idea that Adam was created mature but with false memories of a past life including parents. Not all appearance of age can be equated to maturity. It's one thing to say God instantly created earth with erosion products (sand and clay) and some organic soil components, and other such useful things. Quite another when we're talking about volcanic eruptions, ash layers, fossils, meteor craters, etc. "Scars" of that sort serve no function other than to give a (presumably false) appearance of age.

 

[chris4243]

That's nice. Jesus just handed me some wine He created at a party.
Give me your best uniformitarian estimate.
I'm not going to judge you based on your analysis.
I'm quite forgiving.

Send me a sample and we'll see. Are you suggesting that Jesus made some common wine like any other? Every single component produced by fermenting grapes even the bad tasting ones?

My analysis of Jesus's wine indicates that it was made by someone far superior to man since it has no radioactive carbon nor other radioisitopes indicating extreme age in the billions of years, yet no chemical decay damage indicating very recently made wine, also no methanol indicating it was removed via distillation, yet without removing the other flavorful volatile components again indicting advanced technology. This analysis based on uniformitarian age estimates.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, I don't accept your idea that Adam was created mature but with false memories of a past life including parents. <snip>.

I have to reject your post the minute you start making stuff up.
Please use the quote function provided in the forum.
The button is easy to spot near the bottom.

 

[chris4243]

I have to reject your post the minute you start making stuff up.
Please use the quote function provided in the forum.
The button is easy to spot near the bottom.

Well you did say that Adam was made with the appearance of age. If Adam did not have false memories of a time before he was created, then that's the opposite of the appearance of age.