1Reformedman
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No liquor store has EVER made anyone get drunk. Getting drunk is the drunkard's choice.
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No liquor store has EVER made anyone get drunk. Getting drunk is the drunkard's choice.So you believe that there is a liquor store out there that has never gotten one person drunk before?
I know how wine is made. One of my family members used to make wine when I was younger. Again, grapes do not intoxicate people if they eat them. Sure, they can try to make alcohol out of the grapes, but they have to intentionally set out to do that. Grapes does not equal instant intoxication. Alcoholic beverages (like hard liquor) leads to instant intoxication if consumed. A glass of 151 can lead a light weight person to be drunk right away. They may not even be aware of it, and they are drunk. Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Only the alcoholic substance can lead others into sin by what it is. The natural foods do not lead a person to fall into drunkenness. Only the alcohol does that.
I know how wine is made. One of my family members used to make wine when I was younger. Again, grapes do not intoxicate people if they eat them. Sure, they can try to make alcohol out of the grapes, but they have to intentionally set out to do that. Grapes does not equal instant intoxication. Alcoholic beverages (like hard liquor) leads to instant intoxication if consumed. A glass of 151 can lead a light weight person to be drunk right away. They may not even be aware of it, and they are drunk. Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God.
People do choose gluttony.No one whom God didnt choose to save will enter heaven so what is your point? God controls who goes to heaven not humans.
People do choose gluttony.
Proverbs 23:2
And put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite.
I understand you feel this way......However, can you understand that some would feel different? And could you respect this feelings as much that you desire your own to be respected?No, I would not feel bad about selling the weapon. He chose to use his legally bought weapon to go out and commit a crime. That's on him not on me. If I knew the person was going to do so I wouldn't sell him the weapon.
We are all different and have different makeups which should be equally respected. I have sold cars and have been concerned about whether or not the buyer would be responsible with it. This was my main concern......not making money off the sale. Had these people been seriously injured within a short time of buying....I would feel more than remorse.... I would feel that I should not have sold the car to them...... This feeling diminishes to non after time has passed.......which I expect would be the same for one who sold a drink.......If you bought a drink from me a year ago and dies today from alcohol poison.... I would not link the purchase from me to the poisoning.Would you say the same about selling a car to someone who goes out and runs someone over with it 6 weeks after you sold the car because he chose to get drunk and drive it? IF you would then you are putting a more onerous burden on yourself than you should.
I've been in many liquor stores yet have never been drunk, nor do I have a desire to be.......For I like being in control of myself. Are you saying that I've just been lucky, and one day my luck will run out?......and when it does, I will have the store to blame for it?
Also, what do you think of churches who server real wine during communion....are they wrong and in support of getting drunk?
No liquor store has EVER made anyone get drunk. Getting drunk is the drunkard's choice.
Is this a practice you would encourage christian store owners to do?
But the liquor store owner provides the very substance by which they sin by. They will be held accountable to God by providing the sin that so easily leads others into (unless they repent and stop being a liquor store owner).
Being a drunkard is a state of mind, something continuous not a one or two-time deal. If it were more automatic like you're trying to push then Noah would not have been considered who he was considered by God.
I refuse to allow satan to try to sift me as wheat. I dont believe in taking on a more onerous burden. I don't see how such a thing could be spiritually healthy to go around worrying about what you have no control over, specifically the decisions and actions of others.I understand you feel this way......However, can you understand that some would feel different? And could you respect this feelings as much that you desire your own to be respected?
You say, had you known that one was going to commit murder, you would not sell the weapon.....are you, then, an advocate of trying to know the intentions of the buyer before selling the drink? Would you refrain from selling to one who appears to have already had a few drink......or to those who buys in excess? Is this a practice you would encourage christian store owners to do?
We are all different and have different makeups which should be equally respected. I have sold cars and have been concerned about whether or not the buyer would be responsible with it. This was my main concern......not making money off the sale. Had these people been seriously injured within a short time of buying....I would feel more than remorse.... I would feel that I should not have sold the car to them...... This feeling diminishes to non after time has passed.......which I expect would be the same for one who sold a drink.......If you bought a drink from me a year ago and dies today from alcohol poison.... I would not link the purchase from me to the poisoning.
Some people cant sell a knife, without feeling partially responsible if it were used to cause harm.....For those, the knife selling business is not for them. For people like you, who can sell with no regard for any negative uses of the product you sell, it is given you the ability to sell these necessary items.
To each their own. No one should be made to feel lesser or more for their current moral makeup.
If you read my post from pages ago (quoted below for convenience) you would see that you are blinded by your own lack of desire to respect any view you believe different from your own. I can understand and respect anothers opinion, without agreeing with it. Are you able to do the same?Can you show that I'm to blame for the drinker's action of drinking excessively just because he bought a bottle of booze from my store? No, you can't and Im not letting you or anyone else blame me for another's personal flawed and finite choices.
I've been in many liquor stores yet have never been drunk, nor do I have a desire to be.......For I like being in control of myself. Are you saying that I've just been lucky, and one day my luck will run out?......and when it does, I will have the store to blame for it?
Also, what do you think of churches who server real wine during communion....are they wrong and in support of getting drunk?
More people die from obesity. Alcohol is number 3.
But the liquor store owner provides the very substance by which they sin by. They will be held accountable to God by providing the sin that so easily leads others into (unless they repent and stop being a liquor store owner).
You are not your brother's keeper.....and I do not aim to convince you otherwise....nor do I see any fault in it. Thanks for the conversation.I refuse to allow satan to try to sift me as wheat. I dont believe in taking on a more onerous burden. I don't see how such a thing could be spiritually healthy to go around worrying about what you have no control over, specifically the decisions and actions of others.
You already responded to this post, after which i gave no rebuttal. This was my last post to you:Your missing the point. It is a fact that the liquor store you been in has led others to be drunk by the liquor they sell. There is not a liquor store on the planet that has not led others to get drunk by the alcohol that they sell.
Do you honestly believe that there is any business out there, religious or otherwise, that can claim that no one was ever able and will never be able to commit sin as a result of what they were offering?
Noah paid a high price for his drunkenness.
Biblical Metaphors Shed Light on Ham's Sin in Noah's Tent.
Lot also paid a high price for his drunkenness, as well.
God's people may stumble into sin, but they do not stay down in their sin.
The man of God will overcome the darkness.
So what? The person chose to go buy the product and then he chose to sin by excessively consuming it. He wasn't forced to come into my store, he wasnt forced to buy anything from my store, nor was he forced by me to get drunk. His sin is his problem, not mine. Alcohol is sold in many different places so by your logic no one should own any business that sells anything that any person could use to sin. Personal choice causes one to sin.
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