Is it moral?

[pat34lee]

No, of course not. Mankind has progressed far beyond this.

Progressed? Hardly.
We have technology, nothing more.
Turn out the lights and stop the trucks for a week
and you will see just how progressed we have become.

 

[Jack Slatts]

Progressed? Hardly.
We have technology, nothing more.
Turn out the lights and stop the trucks for a week
and you will see just how progressed we have become.

I disagree. For example we now realize both slavery and genocide are wrong. Will bad people do bad things? Of course, but that doesn't change the fact that mankind has become far more moral over the last 2000 years.

 

[Jack Slatts]

double post

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So if someone says, 'hey, I'm gonna follow the teachings of Jesus because I agree with most of his teachings, but I think he was a mortal, and do NOT believe he is a Messiah."

Heaven or hell?

No has yet been judged. But by the time a person lives their life, dies, comes up in the resurrection, is given God's spirit, meets Jesus in person, sees the millennial kingdom, they likely will believe by the time of their judgment. ".....the Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

This will only occur during the resurrection/millennial kingdom/White Throne judgment period.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

the "crime" is to forsake Christ and rebel against Him.

that's not a finite crime and doesn't stop or change when we die.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

the "crime" is to forsake Christ and rebel against Him.

that's not a finite crime and doesn't stop or change when we die.

True. Judgment is on the church now.

 

[pat34lee]

I disagree. For example we now realize both slavery and genocide are wrong. Will bad people do bad things? Of course, but that doesn't change the fact that mankind has become far more moral over the last 2000 years.

Man has time to sit and ponder philosophy. Yet both
genocide and slavery both go on today around the world.
Even here in the USA.

 

[Jack Slatts]

Man has time to sit and ponder philosophy. Yet both
genocide and slavery both go on today around the world.
Even here in the USA.

If you read my previous post, the one you replied to, you will see that I said that bad people do bad things. The thing is, slavery and genocide are both illegal today in the USA, and the rest of the world as well, with a possible exception or two.

Those are two examples of why I say mankind is progressed morally in the last 2000 years. I can provide more if you would like.

 

[pat34lee]

If you read my previous post, the one you replied to, you will see that I said that bad people do bad things. The thing is, slavery and genocide are both illegal today in the USA, and the rest of the world as well, with a possible exception or two.

Those are two examples of why I say mankind is progressed morally in the last 2000 years. I can provide more if you would like.

Look at Greece back in the golden days. It's easy to philosophize
when times are good, work is available and food is plenty. When
war comes, famine and plague following it, people become just
as barbarous as our ancestors who carried spears and swords.

 

[Dave-W]

No, of course not. Mankind has progressed far beyond this.

"Mankind" is not who would be doing that.

 

[Holoman]

I disagree. For example we now realize both slavery and genocide are wrong. Will bad people do bad things? Of course, but that doesn't change the fact that mankind has become far more moral over the last 2000 years.

More people were murdered in the 20th century than the rest of history combined.

Progress??

p.s. slavery still exists

 

[Jack Slatts]

More people were murdered in the 20th century than the rest of history combined.

Progress??

p.s. slavery still exists

As I have said and will repeat: Bad people do bad things. Murder in the 20th century is a lot easier in the 20th century. There are a lot more people alive in the 20th century.

Slavery is illegal, there are international laws against torture and genocide, women have equal rights

If you are basing your opinion on facts, mankind has progressed morally in the last 2000 years..

 

[Jack Slatts]

"Mankind" is not who would be doing that.

Until I see evidence that a God exists, I have no choice but to believe that the bible, and the threat of eternal torture for finite crimes, is written by mankind.

 

[Holoman]

As I have said and will repeat: Bad people do bad things. Murder in the 20th century is a lot easier in the 20th century. There are a lot more people alive in the 20th century.

Slavery is illegal, there are international laws against torture and genocide, women have equal rights

If you are basing your opinion on facts, mankind has progressed morally in the last 2000 years..

OK. So if we are making progress, do you believe morality is objective?

 

[Jack Slatts]

OK. So if we are making progress, do you believe morality is objective?

Objective.

 

[Kylie]

Every crime is finite in essence within bounds of time like any other action, but its impact can be infinite. Crimes don't only affect one person, and doesn't only bear its consequence within the time of action.

Can you give an example of a crime that has infinite impact?

 

[Kylie]

I disagree. For example we now realize both slavery and genocide are wrong. Will bad people do bad things? Of course, but that doesn't change the fact that mankind has become far more moral over the last 2000 years.

Unfortunately, both genocide and slavery are still rampant today.

 

[Kylie]

the "crime" is to forsake Christ and rebel against Him.

that's not a finite crime and doesn't stop or change when we die.

This seems to me like an invented crime used to justify an invented punishment that was only invented to get people to join a religion out of fear.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

This seems to me like an invented crime used to justify an invented punishment that was only invented to get people to join a religion out of fear.

your disbelief in a god has no baring on the subject.

 

[salt-n-light]

Can you give an example of a crime that has infinite impact?

You can take any type of crime and it can have infinite impact based on domino effects.

Anything that have direct psychological barrings is an easier example (murder, rape, etc.) but it could be as small as felony, speeding that cause another event to happen. Point is, life is not quite input-output.