Is it moral to use the end times

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No it’s not it is control based infantile religion. Definitely not part of the teachings of Jesus’ Gospel of Love that is for sure.

Not part of Jesus teachings?

Matthew 24

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the Temple, and his disciples came to him, to show him the building of the Temple.

2 a]">[a]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be here left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be cast down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, his disciples came unto him apart, saying, Tell us when these things shall be, and what sign shall be of thy coming, and of the end of the world.

4 b]">[b]And Jesus answered, and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my Name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the c]">[c]end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and realm against realm, and there shall be famine, and pestilence, and earthquakes in d]">[d]divers places.

8 All these are but the beginning of e]">[e]sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated of all nations for my Name’s sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall be increased, the love of many shall be cold.

13 f]">[f]But he that endureth to the end, he shall be saved.

14 And this g]">[g]Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached through the whole h]">[h]world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.

15 ¶ i]">[i]When ye therefore shall see the j]">[j]abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, set in the holy place (let him that readeth consider it.)

16 Then let them which be in Judea, flee into the mountains.

17 Let him which is on the housetop, not come down to fetch anything out of his house.

18 And he that is in the field, let not him return back to fetch his k]">[k]clothes.

19 And woe shall be to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days.

20 But pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the l]">[l]Sabbath day.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world to this time, nor shall be.

22 And except m]">[m]those days should be shortened, there should no n]">[n]flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and o]">[o]shall show great signs and wonders, so that if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret places, believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the East, and is seen into the West, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 p]">[p]For wheresoever a dead q]">[q]carcass is, thither will the Eagles be gathered together.

29 r]">[r]And immediately after the tribulations of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

30 And then shall appear the s]">[s]sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the t]">[t]kindreds of the earth u]">[u]mourn, and they shall see the Son of man v]">[v]come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the w]">[w]four winds, and from the one end of the heavens unto the other.
 
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The bible says fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. There will be a day of judgement and for those who do not belong to Jesus should know of the danger they are in. It is not fear mongering and Jesus himself warned of the end times.
Reverence of the Lord is indeed the beginning of wisdom. However, in full maturity God makes his love mature in us so we have boldness on the day of judgment, the contrast to love in this process is "fear."
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Since we connect to God by faith or by trusting him, making people intellectually assent out of fear doesn't produce a strong christianity, even if it does increase the headcount in some circumstances.
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In fear we cannot mature.
 
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You should leave all sects anyway, they are false, become a member of Christ baptized into His one true church, mt 16:18 and mt 28
There is only one true church built be Jesus Christ on the apostles, luther,cl calvin, Henry 8th and whoever started your church are not apostles, therefore its not a church, but as you say a sect or cult,

You mean "one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church" in the Nicene Creed cannot refer to the universal church of the Lord Jesus but to the visible Catholic church, and "one baptism for the remission of sins" cannot be correctly interpreted as baptism being a matter of obedience versus normally being a requirement for regeneration and salvation?

And you mean your church is the NT church of Scripture, which,

1. Was not based upon the premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility of office as per Rome, which has presumed to infallibly declare that she is and will perpetually be infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

2. Never promised or taught ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility was essential for preservation of truth, including writings to be discerned and established as Scripture, and for assurance of faith, and that historical descent as the stewards of Scripture means that such possessed ensured infallibility.

3. Never was a church that manifested the Lord's supper as being the central means of grace, around which all else revolved, it being “the source and summit of the Christian faith” in which “the work of our redemption is accomplished,” by which one received spiritual life in themselves by consuming human flesh, so that without which eating one cannot have eternal life (as per RC literalism, of Jn. 6:53,54). In contrast to believing the gospel by which one is regenerated, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and desiring the milk (1Pt. 2:2) and then the “strong meat” (Heb. 5:12-14) of the word of God, being “nourished” (1Tim. 4:6) by hearing the word of God and letting it dwell in them, (Col. 3:16) by which word (Scriptures) man is to live by, (Mt. 4:4) as Christ lived by the Father, (Jn. 6:57) doing His will being His “meat.” (Jn. 4:34) And with the Lord's supper, which is only manifestly described once in the life of the church, focusing on the church being the body of Christ in showing the Lord sacrificial death by that communal meal.

4
. Never had any pastors titled "priests" as they did not engage in any unique sacrificial function, that of turning bread into human flesh and dispensing it to the people, or even dispensing bread as their primary ordained function, versus preaching the word. (2Tim. 4:2)

5
. Never differentiated between bishops and elders, and with grand titles ("Most Reverend Eminence," “Very Reverend,” “Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord,” “His Eminence Cardinal,” “The Most Reverend the Archbishop,” etc.) or made themselves distinct by their ostentatious pompous garb. (Matthew 23:5-7) Or were all to be formally called “father” as that would require them to be spiritual fathers to all (Mt. 23:8-10 is a form of hyperbole, reproving the love of titles such as Catholicism examples, and “thinking of men above that which is written, and instead the Lord emphasizes the One Father of all who are born of the Spirit, whom He Himself worked to glorify).

6
. Never required clerical celibacy as the norm, (1Tim. 3:17) which presumes all such have that gift, (1Cor. 7:7) or otherwise manifested that celibacy was the norm among apostles and pastors, or had vowed to be so. (1Cor. 9:4; Titus 1:5,6)

7
. Never taught that Peter was the "rock" of Mt. 16:18 upon which the church is built, interpreting Mt. 16:18, rather than upon the rock of the faith confessed by Peter, thus Christ Himself. (For in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8) Rome's current catechism attempts to have Peter himself as the rock as well, but also affirms: “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424) which understanding some of the so-called “church fathers” concur with.)

8
. Never taught or exampled that all the churches were to look to Peter as the bishop of Rome, as the first of a line of supreme heads reigning over all the churches, and having the last word in questions affecting the whole Church.

9
. Never recorded or taught any apostolic successors (like for James: Acts 12:1,2) after Judas who was to maintain the original 12: Rv. 21:14) or elected any apostolic successors by voting, versus casting lots (no politics). (Acts 1:15ff)

10
. Never recorded or manifested (not by conjecture) sprinkling or baptism without repentant personal faith, that being the stated requirement for baptism. (Acts 2:38; 8:36-38)

11
. Never preached a gospel of salvation which begins with becoming good enough inside (formally justified due to infused interior charity), via sprinkling (RC "baptism") in recognition of proxy faith, and which thus usually ends with becoming good enough again to enter Heaven via suffering in purgatory, commencing at death.

12
. Never supported or made laws that restricted personal reading of Scripture by laity (contrary to Chrysostom), if able and available, sometimes even outlawing it when it was.

13
. Never used the sword of men to deal with its theological dissenters.

14
. Never taught that the deity Muslims worship (who is not as an "unknown god") is the same as theirs.

15
. Never had a separate class of believers called “saints.”

16
. Never prayed to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, or were instructed to (i.e. "our Mother who art in Heaven") who were able to hear and respond to virtually unlimited prayers addressed to them (a uniquely Divine attribute in Scripture).

17
. Never recorded a women who never sinned, and was a perpetual virgin despite being married (contrary to the normal description of marriage, as in leaving and sexually cleaving) and who would be bodily assumed to Heaven and exalted (officially or with implicit sanction) as [/FONT]

• an "omnipotent" or almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

• whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

• who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"
• and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"
• and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

• for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

• "surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

• so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

• and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

• for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

• Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

• and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"
• including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

• whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

• and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

• and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.​

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You should leave all sects anyway, they are false, become a member of Christ baptized into His one true church, mt 16:18 and mt 28
There is only one true church built be Jesus Christ on the apostles, luther,cl calvin, Henry 8th and whoever started your church are not apostles, therefore its not a church, but as you say a sect or cult,
Which One True Church? The Eastern Orthodox claim that title too.

It is why the EO churches won't administer communion to Roman Catholics.
 
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Reverence of the Lord is indeed the beginning of wisdom. However, in full maturity God makes his love mature in us so we have boldness on the day of judgment, the contrast to love in this process is "fear."
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Since we connect to God by faith or by trusting him, making people intellectually assent out of fear doesn't produce a strong christianity, even if it does increase the headcount in some circumstances.
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In fear we cannot mature.

Spot on Michael - hence my comment earlier about infantile religion. The fear card worked as a method of control for a long time on the majority, I thank God some have been mature enough over the the centuries to see past all that.
 
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Is it moral to use the end times to scare people into salvation?
You mean like fire and brimstone type sermons?

Mark 9:
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
 
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The bible says fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. There will be a day of judgement and for those who do not belong to Jesus should know of the danger they are in. It is not fear mongering and Jesus himself warned of the end times.

I am assuming you have no idea what "Fear the Lord" means which I found with all fundamentalist and literalists I have spoken to in the past. Go online to somewhere like www.biblegateway.com or get yourself a decent quality Theological dictionary and look 'fear of the Lord, the'. A Christian mature in their faith and understanding of scripture would have no trouble determining the wheat from the chaff.

The following is from the Dictionary of Biblical Imagery and provides a description of what Fear the Lord means...

extract from the Dictionary of Biblical Imagery page 277 title: Fear of God
The fear of God is distinct from the terror of him that is also a biblical motif (see FEAR). Encompassing and building on attitudes of awe and reverence, it is the proper and elemental response of a person to God. This religious fear of God is a major biblical image for the believer’s faith. In fact, there are well over a hundred references to the fear of God in the positive sense of faith and obedience. To “fear” God or be “God-fearing” is a stock biblical image for being a follower of God, sometimes in implied contrast to those who do not fear him. The very frequency of the references signals that the fear of God is central to biblical faith, and the relative absence of this ancient way of thinking in our culture should give us pause. It is important to note, however, that the preponderance of references occur in the OT, perhaps implying that a permanent change (though not an abrogation) occurred with the incarnation of Christ, who calls his disciples friends rather than servants (Jn 15:15).
 
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Is it moral to use the end times to scare people into salvation?
Well, Yes, and No.

What is the beginning of wisdom? The Fear of God.

What did God use to warn the world of His incoming judgement? Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yes, it's moral, because it's a very real thing, but we have to speak with salt right? So, when we speak with someone, we have to try and meet them where they're at. Although, while doing this, we shouldn't lie about God's character. God is love, but God is judgement as well. God doesn't love everyone - He hates those living in certain types of sin. Does He want them to die? Well no, He does delight in punishing the deserving, but He doesn't delight in the death of the wicked, but in the turning from their ways. If someone won't turn, He delights in their punishment, but He would rather they turn. He is love, but He is just, and He is judgement. In pointing out His love, we can't forget perhaps one of the most important parts of Him, His judgement. He's loving to those that love Him and keep His commandments, but to those that don't, He's, well, not afraid to dish out punishment.
 
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Not part of Jesus teachings?

Matthew 24

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the Temple, and his disciples came to him, to show him the building of the Temple.

2 a]">[a]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be here left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be cast down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, his disciples came unto him apart, saying, Tell us when these things shall be, and what sign shall be of thy coming, and of the end of the world.

4 b]">[b]And Jesus answered, and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my Name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the c]">[c]end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and realm against realm, and there shall be famine, and pestilence, and earthquakes in d]">[d]divers places.

8 All these are but the beginning of e]">[e]sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated of all nations for my Name’s sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall be increased, the love of many shall be cold.

13 f]">[f]But he that endureth to the end, he shall be saved.

14 And this g]">[g]Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached through the whole h]">[h]world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.

15 ¶ i]">[i]When ye therefore shall see the j]">[j]abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, set in the holy place (let him that readeth consider it.)

16 Then let them which be in Judea, flee into the mountains.

17 Let him which is on the housetop, not come down to fetch anything out of his house.

18 And he that is in the field, let not him return back to fetch his k]">[k]clothes.

19 And woe shall be to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days.

20 But pray that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the l]">[l]Sabbath day.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world to this time, nor shall be.

22 And except m]">[m]those days should be shortened, there should no n]">[n]flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and o]">[o]shall show great signs and wonders, so that if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret places, believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the East, and is seen into the West, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 p]">[p]For wheresoever a dead q]">[q]carcass is, thither will the Eagles be gathered together.

Fulfilled prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and Judea by Roman armies in 70 AD.

DECEIVERS

Matthew: "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you, For many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many" (24:4,5).

Mark: "And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you; For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many" (13:5,6).

Luke: "And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived; for many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ, and the time draweth near; go ye not therefore after them" (21:8).

Did such deceivers or false Christs arise and deceive many in those years before the destruction of Jerusalem? Yes.

According to Josephus, the noted Jewish historian, twelve years after our Saviour's death, a certain impostor named Theudas persuaded a great multitude to follow him to the river Jordan which he claimed would divide for their passage. At the time of Felix (who is mentioned in the book of Acts), the country of the Jews was filled with impostors who Felix had put to death EVERY DAY—a statement which indicates that there were "many" of such in those days.

An Egyptian who "pretended to be a prophet" gathered 30,000 men, claiming that he would show "how, at his command, the walls of Jerusalem would fall down."

Another deceiver was Simon, a sorcerer, who led people to believe he was the great power of God (See Acts 8). According to Irenaeus, Simon claimed to be the Son of God and creator of angels. Jerome says that he claimed to be the Word of God, the Almighty. Justin relates that he went to Rome and was acclaimed as a god by his magical powers.

Origen mentions a certain wonder-worker, Dositheus, who claimed he was the Christ foretold by Moses. Another deceiver in those days was Barchochebas who, according to Jerome, claimed to vomit flames. Bar-jesus is mentioned in Acts 13:6 as a sorcerer and false prophet. These are examples of the deceivers of whom history says there were "a great number," and of whom Jesus had prophesied that there would be "many."

WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS

Matthew: "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom" (24:6,7).

Mark: "And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled; for such things must needs be, but the end is not yet, For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" (13:7, 8).

Luke: "But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by [immediately]. Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom (21:9,10).

We are told that when Jesus gave this prophecy, the Roman Empire was experiencing a general peace within its borders. Jesus explained to his disciples that they would be hearing of wars, rumors of wars, and commotions. And did they? Yes. Within a short time the Empire was filled with strife, insurrection, and wars.

Before the fall of Jerusalem, four Emperors came to violent deaths within the space of 18 months. According to the historian Suetonius (who lived during the latter part of the first century and the beginning of the second), Nero "drove a dagger into his throat.'' Galba was run down by horsemen. A soldier cut off his head and "thrusting his thumb into the mouth," carried the horrid trophy about. Otho "stabbed himself" in the breast. Vitellius was killed by slow torture and then "dragged by a hook into the Tiber." We can understand that such fate falling on the Emperors would naturally spread distress and insecurity through the Empire.

In the Annals of Tacitus, a Roman who wrote a history which covers the period prior to 70 A. D., we find such expressions as these: "Disturbances in Germany," "commotions in Africa," "commotions in Thrace," "insurrections in Gaul," "intrigues among the Parthians," "the war in Britain," "war in Armenia."

Among the Jews, the times became turbulent. In Seleucia, 50,000 Jews were killed. There was an uprising against them in Alexandria. In a battle between the Jews and Syrians in Caesarea, 20,000 were killed. During these times, Caligula ordered his statue placed in the temple at Jerusalem. The Jews refused to do this and lived in constant fear that the Emperor's armies would be sent into Palestine. This fear became so real that some of them did not even bother to till their fields.

But though there would be wars, rumours of wars, and commotions, Jesus told his disciples: "See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet." The word "end" that is used here is not the same Greek word as in the expression "end of the world." As Barnes says, the end here referred to is "the end of the Jewish economy; the destruction of Jerusalem."

Wars, rumors of wars, and commotions were of a general nature. These things were not signs of the end; to the contrary, they were given to show that the end was NOT yet. None of these things would be the sign which would cause the disciples to flee into the mountains.

FAMINES, PESTILENCES, EARTHQUAKES

Matthew. "And there shall be famines and pestilences, and earthquakes in divers places, all these are the beginning of sorrows (24:7,8).

Mark: "And there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles. These are the beginning of sorrows" (13:8).

Luke: "And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines and pestilences, and fearful sights" (21:11).

The Bible records that there was famine "throughout all the world...in the days of Claudius Caesar (Acts 11:28). Judea was especially hard hit by famine. "The disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea" (verse 29). Paul's instructions concerning this "collection [of fruit] for the saints" is recorded in First Corinthians 16:1-5; Rom. 15:25-28.

Historians such as Suetonius and others mention famine during those years. Tacitus speaks of a "failure in the crops, and a famine consequent thereupon." Eusebius also mentions famines during this time in Rome, Judea, and Greece. Yes, there were famines in those years before the fall of Jerusalem.

Along with famines, Jesus mentioned pestilence; that is, plagues, the spread of disease, epidemics. Famine and pestilence, of course, go hand in hand. When people do not have proper food or insufficient food, pestilence results. Suetonius wrote of "pestilence" at Rome in the days of Nero which was so severe that "within the space of one autumn there died no less than 30,000 persons." Josephus records that pestilences raged in Babylonia in A. D. 40. Tacitus tells of pestilences in Italy in A. D. 65. Yes, there were pestilences in those years before the destruction of Jerusalem.

During this period, Jesus said there would also be earthquakes in many places. Tacitus mentions earthquakes at Rome. He wrote that "Frequent earthquakes occurred, by which many houses were thrown down" and that "twelve populous cities of Asia fell in ruins from an earthquake."

Seneca, writing in the year 58 A. D., said: "How often have cities of Asia and Achaea fallen with one fatal shock! how many cities have been swallowed up in Syria! how many in Macedonia! how often has Cyprus been wasted by this calamity ! how often has Paphos become a ruin! News has often been brought us of the demolition of whole cities at once." He mentions the earthquake at Campania during the reign of Nero. In 60 A.D., Hierapous, Colosse, and Laodicea were overthrown—Laodicea being so self-sufficient that it recovered without the Imperial aid furnished other cities. In 63 A.D,, the city of Pompeii was greatly damaged by earthquake. There were earthquakes in Crete, Apamea, Smyrna, Miletus, Chios, Samos, and Judea. Earthquakes in divers places.

PERSECUTION AGAINST THE DISCIPLES

Matthew: "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.., And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold" (24:9-12).

Mark: "They shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten; and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony.., whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak but the Holy Ghost... And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake" (13:9-13).

Luke: "They shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony...I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist...and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake" (21:12-17).

The book of Acts gives a complete account of how the disciples were persecuted in the very ways Jesus had predicted. Let us take, for example, Acts 4: "And they laid hands on them [Peter and John], and put them in prison" (verse 3). They were brought before "rulers" (verses 5-7). And it turned into an opportunity to testify. Peter explained that "there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (verse 12). They were given a mouth of wisdom which their adversaries could not gainsay, for the men of the council "marveled" (verse 13). They were then commanded "not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus" (verse 18). As Jesus had said, they were hated for his name's sake.

The same things are seen in Acts 5. Certain authorities "laid their hands on the apostles, and put them in the common prison" (verse 18). Later they were brought "before the council" (verse 27) and told to answer for continuing to teach in the name of Jesus (verse 28). Again they had opportunity to testify (verses 29-32). They were "beaten" (verse 40). As they departed from the "council", they rejoiced "that they were counted worthy to suffer for his name"(verse 41).

Or take Acts 6. There arose certain ones of the "synagogue" that disputed with Steven. "And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spoke" (verses 9,10). Persecution resulted and he was brought into the "council " and questioned (verse 12). Again there was the opportunity to testify, the words of that testimony being given in Acts 7. Stephen was killed for his stand (verses 54-60). Jesus had said that some of them would be killed.

Notice Acts 8. "There was a great persecution against the church." Christians were put in "prison", but the result was that the word was preached (verses 1-4).

In Acts 16, Paul and Silas were beaten and cast into "prison." But it turned into an opportunity to testify and the Philippian jailor and his family were converted as a result (verses 22-34). In Acts 21, persecution resulted in Paul being beaten, brought before rulers, before whom he testified (Acts 22). In Acts 22:19 we read that Christians were "imprisoned and beat in every Synagogue."

In Acts 24, Paul was brought before Felix, the governor, and testified. He was given a mouth of wisdom which his adversaries could not gainsay—though they obtained an orator to speak against him. Paul's words even made Felix to "tremble." In Acts 25 and 26, Paul was brought before king Agrippa, the chief captains, and the principal men of the city. He was given a mouth of wisdom, for Agrippa said to Paul, "Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian" (verse 28).

Jesus said the disciples would be afflicted, beaten, imprisoned; they would be hated for his name's sake and some would be killed; they would be brought before councils, rulers, and kings, for a testimony; they would be given a mouth of wisdom which their adversaries could not gainsay. Surely these things came to pass in those years—unmistakably fulfilled in every detail.

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many ...but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Mt. 24:11,13). Peter, who was present when Jesus gave this prophecy (Mk. 13:3), later wrote about "false prophets" that had risen and of "many" that followed their pernicious ways (2 Peter 2). John, who also heard Jesus give this prophecy, recorded the fulfillment: "Many false prophets are gone out into the world" (l John 4:1). "Many deceivers are entered into the world" (2 John 7).

Paul also spoke of "false apostles, deceitful workers" (2 Cor. 11:13). He mentioned Hymenaeus and Philetus who taught false doctrines and overthrew the faith of some (2 Tim. 2:17, 18). By the time of his epistle to Titus, there were "many...deceivers ...who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not" (Titus 1:10, 11).

The waters of truth were muddied by betrayals, false prophets, iniquity, and the love of many waxing cold. "But he that shall endure [such things] until the end, the same shall be saved" (Mt. 24:13)—both now and hereafter. We understand "end" here in a general sense, for unlike the use of this word in verses 6 and 14, this reference does not have the definite article in the Greek text.

GOSPEL TO BE PREACHED TO THE NATIONS

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then [not until then] shall the end come" (Mt. 24:14). Unless we take this verse clear out of its setting, "the end" in view here is the end or destruction which was to come upon Jerusalem and the temple. This was the question that Jesus was answering in the verses before, and the verses that follow are still speaking about Jerusalem and Judea. Jerusalem would be destroyed, but "first" the gospel would be preached unto all nations (Mk. 13:10).

It was a tremendous prophecy. Picture the scene. Here on the mount of Olives, Jesus was speaking these words to seemingly insignificant men. Who would have supposed that the names of these humble men would become known around the world and that even in our day—almost 2,000 years later—the seeds of truth that they planted would still be producing fruit? Who would have supposed that this unpopular gospel that Christ committed to these men would ever spread beyond that immediate area? Such a vast preaching program unto all nations seemed almost impossible of fulfillment. But it was fulfilled, and in a very real sense the gospel did go to all nations before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A. D..

On the day of Pentecost when the disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit, there were present in Jerusalem "devout men, out of every nation under heaven" (Acts 2:5). They heard the gospel preached by Peter and 3,000 were converted that day. Many of these, no doubt, returned to their various countries and preached the gospel.

Later when persecution came against the church, the believers at Jerusalem were scattered and "went every where preaching the word", throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria (Acts 8:1,4). Philip took the message to the city of Samaria with great results (verses 5-8). Later he was directed to a high ranking government official from Ethiopia who was gloriously converted (verses 26-40). It is believed that this man took the message to the continent of Africa and many were converted because of his influential testimony.

Peter took the message to the Gentiles at the house of Cornelius, an event that was a turning point in the missionary activities of the church (Acts 10, 11). The book of Acts gives a sketch of the mighty missionary work that advanced rapidly.

The message spread to Rome. By the time of Nero, the Christians had grown so numerous that they aroused the jealousy of the government. The story of the great fire in Rome in 64 A. D. —for which the Christians were falsely blamed—is well known. In writing to the Christians at Rome, Paul opens his epistle by saying, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world" (Rom. 1:8), and his closing words talk about the gospel as having been "made known to all nations for the obedience of faith" (16:26).

Concerning even far away England, Newton says: "There is absolute certainty that Christianity was planted in this country in the days of the apostles, before the destruction of Jerusalem." Eusebius and also Theodoret inform us that the apostles preached the gospel in all the world and some of them "passed beyond the ocean to the Britannic isles."

By the time Paul wrote his letter to the Colossians, he could say: 'The gospel...is come unto you, as it is in all the world" (Col. 1:6). Likewise, in verse 23, he mentions '"the gospel which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven."

By 70 A. D., the gospel had gone forth to the world for a witness. No longer was God's message to man confined to one nation or race.


Source: "Great Prophecies of the Bible" by Ralph Woodrow
 
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Most preachers who use to end-times to try and scare people into the kingdom, reinforce their threats with imminent expectation of God's kingdom. But then as the decades role by and nothing spiritually dramatic happens, many seekers conclude that this fear tactic is based on fraudulent expectation and abandon their interest in the Gospel. As a boy in the 1950s and 1960s, my faith was almost crippled by such disillusionment. So in my new the net effect of this end-time teaching is spiritually harmful. Much more certain and evangelistically useful is the realization that we will all die sooner than we think and need to face the reality of our postmortem fate.
 
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Reverence of the Lord is indeed the beginning of wisdom. However, in full maturity God makes his love mature in us so we have boldness on the day of judgment, the contrast to love in this process is "fear."
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Since we connect to God by faith or by trusting him, making people intellectually assent out of fear doesn't produce a strong christianity, even if it does increase the headcount in some circumstances.
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In fear we cannot mature.

The bible says fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, it does not say reverence. I don't know about you but when you been spanked by the Lord you do learn to fear him as well. It is not fear like fear of the devil it is fear knowing the Lord is powerful and sovereign and out of compete humility. I would say that comes with maturity. I would be kind of more concerned about never being corrected by the Lord and not understanding to fear him as well as love him. Kind of like your dad, if your dad was mad when you were a kid tell me you did not fear him and love him all in the same time. Anyhow I do not witness to people by telling them the end time, I share the gospel, but if it comes up I do not shy away nor do I not warn them, Jesus did the same thing.
 
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I am assuming you have no idea what "Fear the Lord" which I found with all fundamentalist and literalists I have spoken to in the past. Go online to somewhere like www.biblegateway.com or get yourself a decent quality Theological dictionary and look 'fear of the Lord, the'. A Christian mature in their faith and understanding of scripture would have no trouble determining the wheat from the chaff.

I am assuming you have never been corrected harshly but the Lord. Seriously that was a fairly prideful response.

Pretty sure David learned to "fear" the Lord as well....

I fear standing before the Lord and not hearing "well done, good and faithful servant". I fear not being in his perfect will. I fear ruining his testimony because of my actions. I fear being corrected too harshly so I try and stay repentant always. I fear not hearing his voice clearly and not being able to discern properly. All fear of GOD, and none of which I would say is immature.
 
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The bible says fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, it does not say reverence. I don't know about you but when you been spanked by the Lord you do learn to fear him as well. It is not fear like fear of the devil it is fear knowing the Lord is powerful and sovereign and out of compete humility. I would say that comes with maturity. I would be kind of more concerned about never being corrected by the Lord and not understanding to fear him as well as love him. Kind of like your dad, if your dad was mad when you were a kid tell me you did not fear him and love him all in the same time. Anyhow I do not witness to people by telling them the end time, I share the gospel, but if it comes up I do not shy away nor do I not warn them, Jesus did the same thing.
I'm sure whatever message you're preaching is what they need to hear, God sets it up like that.
 
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The Church is to preach the Gospel, and trust in the efficacy of the Gospel as "the power of God to save all who believe" (Romans 1:16). Fear is not to be part of the Church's evangelistic toolset; by definition evangelism is the act of proclaiming the evangel, the good news. The good news of what God has done, in and through Christ, for the world--for sinners. That Christ has overcome and destroyed the power of sin and death, and that in Him there is life, indeed life everlasting.

The hope of the Eschaton is part of this, as we look forward to Christ's glorious return, the resurrection of the dead, and the restoration of all things in the Age to Come; but not fear. The Church does not preach fear, the Church preaches Gospel.

I suspect those that think that fear-mongering and scare tactics are a valid way of communicating our religion demonstrate a lack of faith--because if one trusts in the Gospel as the Gospel then there should be no reason to use scare tactics, or use any "tactics" at all--the Gospel stands on its own to accomplish the very thing it promises.

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You should leave all sects anyway, they are false, become a member of Christ baptized into His one true church, mt 16:18 and mt 28
There is only one true church built be Jesus Christ on the apostles, luther,cl calvin, Henry 8th and whoever started your church are not apostles, therefore its not a church, but as you say a sect or cult,
Who are the Apostles? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task.

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.

So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God. (1 Corinthians 3, Ephesians 4)
 
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Can someone be scared into a genuine saving relationship with Jesus Christ?
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Related to your comment and to the OP:

The response I get more than all others combined is that "if there is no Hell, then it does not make any difference what we do." I do not think most find life that useless. Most will do anything they can to live. Those who are sick do all they can to live a little longer. Only a few, who must not be right in the head, would not care if they did not live. Those who teach Hell are like a drowning man reaching for a straw. They reach for anything to save their theology.

This theology belittles the death of Christ.

God thought it important enough to give His only Son. Christ gave His life that we could live, but some say His gift of life to us is not important if there is no Hell to be tormented in.

To die is O.K. with them. This is the same as saying, "If I will not go to Hell, then I do not care if I die and do not go to Heaven, for I only want to go to Heaven to keep from
going to Hell."

Fear of Hell has made many hypocrites who go to church and think that they are Christians, but it has never made one true Christian. Never saved one person, but it has made many hypocrites and will go on making them as long as it is taught.

Anyone who goes to church because they fear Hell and would not go without this fear, is a hypocrite, not a Christian. Would they cheat on their wife, lie, and steal if it were not for fear they would be found out? If it is not from love of God, going to church for any other reason will do no good. If one is not a Christian because of the love of God and the hope of eternal life, he cannot be a Christian because of the fear of going to Hell.

The Lord does not add anyone to the church because of fear of the non-existence pagan Hell. Some would say, "Has not the fear of Hell made many Christian?" No, the believing of Satan's lie over God has made many be lost even while they think they are saved.

No one can be frightened into Heaven. Hellfire preaching is the gospel of fear used by men like Jonathan Edwards. It cannot save. (W R West)
 
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God has a righteous and holy wrath against sin, and yet for this time He grants mercy and grace. If anyone denies the righteous wrath of God, they are not proclaiming the whole counsel of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of Hell and the wrath of God most often in His public proclamation.

People should be scared of Hell and the wrath of God, but it should lead them to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, and gratefulness for the kindness that He has granted us through the cross, where He was under no obligation to do such a thing.
 
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Is it moral to use the end times to scare people into salvation?
No.... and simply for this reason, the GOSPEL is the GOOD NEWS, not news designed to scare you and make you run in fear to God. He draws the people (John 6:44) and then we are supposed to teach them when they are drawn and want to learn. That is the basis for the Great Commission.
 
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Is it moral to use the end times to scare people into salvation?
The thing about the end times is that this is an area where God demonstrates that He has predicted the future far in advance. Why should one believe the gospel unless it is true? The Bible ties the end times with the Great White Throne judgment where if your name is not in the Lamb;s book of life you are judged and condemned forever. This is what we are being saved from. The Bible predicted Israel would be wiped out and scattered into all the earth and persecuted where ever they want. God promised to bring them back and ever bring back the sacrifices for all the end times events to take place. We see Israel in the land and all preparations for the return of the sacrifice being done. We see a push for a one world government. We are living close enough to these events that they do support the claim the Bible is the word or God and men must repent or perish. All scripture is inspired by God and many passages have to do with end times. We should use the whole word of God.
 
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if you can get people to think seriously about their death and where they currently stand before God. Then yes it is moral.

That said if you are proclaiming that you or your sect knows what Jesus said no one knows, that is when Jesus is coming again. Then being a false prophet is a dreadful sin.
I would suggest leaving any sect that claims to know this information.
Yes, I totally agree. If this is what it takes to at least have someone thinking about their eternal destiny, it is a good thing.
 
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