Is it Ever Okay to Kill

[LionofJudahDK]

How did it become irrelevant? I try to live my life by the words and actions of Jesus. He is, in my opinion, the best example I have. I do not believe him to be a liar or lunatic, and don't understand how you derived that.

I'm not saying you ACTUALLY do; I'm saying that those two options are the only logical options open to you. "He's a good example" is not.
If Jesus isn't who He Himself says He is, then there are only two options: He's a fraud, or he's a nutcase. Tertium non datur.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Webster defines murder as the unlawful killing of another person, do you agree with this?

Yes. Do you?

 

[LionofJudahDK]

Yes. Do you?

Be careful. He's setting some kind of rhetorical trap for you, and you just stepped right into it.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Or am I setting one for him?

 

[revrobor]

I did not degrade the results of their actions. I said that, after the war is over, negotiators and diplomats come in to build peace. I said that war creates calmness, and I find that calmness is often equated with peace. They are not the same thing. I do not actually think that you mean that the headlines and the news media care anything at all about the truth of a matter. Their purpose is to sell subscriptions, and that headline is catchy.

I've never heard the word "calmness" used in any sense before. I think you may have created it to try to prove your degrading point. Our men fought and died to bring the world peace. God bless them all.

 

[Max S Cherry]

I've never heard the word "calmness" used in any sense before. I think you may have created it to try to prove your degrading point.

Really?

Our men fought and died to bring the world peace. God bless them all.

They are dead. I think you have waited a bit too long to "God bless them" and have it do any good.

 

[QueSi]

Yes. Do you?

Under the law, yes, but different countries have different laws. Some have had no laws against it. Do you think any killing is/was legal there (in places with no laws against it)?

 

[QueSi]

I'm not saying you ACTUALLY do; I'm saying that those two options are the only logical options open to you. "He's a good example" is not.
If Jesus isn't who He Himself says He is, then there are only two options: He's a fraud, or he's a nutcase. Tertium non datur.

I don't think Jesus thought himself to be God. He refers to God as his father and people as his brethren.

 

[QueSi]

I've never heard the word "calmness" used in any sense before. I think you may have created it to try to prove your degrading point. Our men fought and died to bring the world peace. God bless them all.

Calmness is a synonym of calm according to Meriam-Webster.

 

[LionofJudahDK]

I don't think Jesus thought himself to be God. He refers to God as his father and people as his brethren.

He said that he and the Father is "one", clearly playing at the "YHWH Echad"-statement from Deut 6,4-5. Not counting the countless times where Jesus uses the "Ἐγώ εἰμι."-formula which in the LXX is what YHWH uses when speaking about Himself.

There is no getting around it: Jesus laid claim to being God. That is why so many Jews rejected Him (but a great number did NOT, which is worth noticing): They just couldn't accept the fact of the Incarnation.

 

[QueSi]

He said that he and the Father is "one", clearly playing at the "YHWH Echad"-statement from Deut 6,4-5. Not counting the countless times where Jesus uses the "??? ????."-formula which in the LXX is what YHWH uses when speaking about Himself.

There is no getting around it: Jesus laid claim to being God. That is why so many Jews rejected Him (but a great number did NOT, which is worth noticing): They just couldn't accept the fact of the Incarnation.

What verses in the gospels are you referring to? I am interested to study this further.

 

[jminnesota]

well like i said i will always defend myself and my wife and family. so if anyone broke into our house or tried to kill us i would shoot first and ask questions later that is for sure i rather the bad guy is dead then me or my family.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Under the law, yes, but different countries have different laws. Some have had no laws against it. Do you think any killing is/was legal there (in places with no laws against it)?

What country are we in, again?

 

[seeking Christ]

What verses in the gospels are you referring to? I am interested to study this further.

There's also lots of other proofs that Jesus presented Himself as God, and knew it.

He received worship. All others refused worship, not being God.

He equated His ability to heal with the ability to forgive sin. Something reserved only for God.

He was tried and convicted, but for no crime and not found guilty. And yet the sentence passed upon Him read "Here is the King of the Jews." This is a pseudonym for Jehovah in flesh, or enfleshed is more accurate.

There are others.

 

[Mediate]

Jesus had the spirit of God in fullness, hence why he was able to take claim.

He said that the people worshipping him actually were worshipping the father through him. Hence 'doing the will of my father who sent me'.

The fact that Jesus bowed to every whim, teaching, attitude and will of God meant that he showed God through himself. Hence 'He who knows me knows the father'.

Jesus was not GOD. Yet He and God are one.

When two beings operate on the same wavelength, they are like one.

Paul and Opollo, Paul describes them as 'one'.

Two distinct people operating with the same will and purpose.

Two cogs driving one machine.

Two minds with one will.

Jesus and God are like this.

 

[QueSi]

What country are we in, again?

I do not know what country you are in.

 

[Orange Kitten Bob]

I've been a Christian since 1978. Murder is unjustified killing that is premeditated. Spraying a mob with a Mini-14 when the same is attempting to burn down a human-occupied building is not murder. Hiring a hit man to kill your ex-husband is murder.
Nor 'are stand your ground' laws murder enablers. God did not mean for you victimize, nor did God mean for you to be victimized either. Jesus Christ was the last ordained sacrifice.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

I've been a Christian since 1978. Murder is unjustified killing that is premeditated. Spraying a mob with a Mini-14 when the same is attempting to burn down a human-occupied building is not murder. Hiring a hit man to kill your ex-husband is murder.
Nor 'are stand your ground' laws murder enablers. God did not mean for you victimize, nor did God mean for you to be victimized either. Jesus Christ was the last ordained sacrifice.

Mt. 10:21 withstanding.

 

[Leere]

Mt. 10:21 withstanding.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think that verse is really applicable. As for the question, as a Christian I say no, it is never ok to kill anyone. Blah blah blah the law enables people to "protect" themselves etc etc.
Matthew 5:9-10, 38-42 and plenty of others.

 

[Max S Cherry]

I've been a Christian since 1978. Murder is unjustified killing that is premeditated. Spraying a mob with a Mini-14 when the same is attempting to burn down a human-occupied building is not murder. Hiring a hit man to kill your ex-husband is murder.
Nor 'are stand your ground' laws murder enablers. God did not mean for you victimize, nor did God mean for you to be victimized either. Jesus Christ was the last ordained sacrifice.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

I feel that Christ calls each of us to also be a sacrifice as part of our service to Him. This world is not ours, and Christ made a point to tell us that we are not merely to love others but to do so as He loved us. John 13:34-35. I take this to mean that giving our life (or letting someone else take it from us) is just part of the calling.