It's a tough debate.
I do see what people are saying, but I have to also admit, that Jesus is the perfect human being and I never recall Jesus ever being violent, except for the time he was angry that people were 'defiling the temple'. Mocking God. Playing and gambling and selling in the church against God's permission. It makes me wonder, had they all excuses and little legal loopholes and 'reasons' for sinning in the church? Saying 'we thought it was okay'? Jesus basically told them 'My father's name can't be desecrated like this. It's not okay to do this'.
There's always a legal loophole That's why 'the law' is likened to 'forbidden fruit'. It's so easy to say 'I am allowed by the law'. But sometimes, the righteous thing is not always what's 'permissible' by the law. It's lawful and just to beget eye for eye, yet God himself, instead of sacrificing sinners for the wage that we owed, gave us his son, who was beaten, brutalized and brought to death by those whom he died for!
So using the law as an excuse may be 'lawful', but it is not in true spirit. This is what some apostles called 'eating swine's flesh'. It's using the law to cover bad moral standing.
As Paul tells us in his first letter to Corinth, the weak among the world, the outcasts, oppressed and rejects are blessed and to be shown to shame the aggressors and the 'wise of the ways of the world'. 'you came into my house, I am allowed to beat you', may be lawful response, but not righteous.
I say revenge is God's to have. A crime committed against me (trespassing, assault) should not be met with violence as eye for eye. But rather as forgiveness.
It's funny that we use the same concept 'you hurt me, so I'll CHOOSE whether to forgive you or not', for forgiveness itself, the same as 'maybe I'll choose to shoot you or 'not murder' you instead..
Against the eastern ethos of 'You're wrong is not part of me. So I will not become part of your wrong. Take my eye, I will not take yours. I am not you. And my anger at this only makes me closer to evil'.
This life isn't the end. And it's very easy to think that it is sometimes.
I do see what people are saying, but I have to also admit, that Jesus is the perfect human being and I never recall Jesus ever being violent, except for the time he was angry that people were 'defiling the temple'. Mocking God. Playing and gambling and selling in the church against God's permission. It makes me wonder, had they all excuses and little legal loopholes and 'reasons' for sinning in the church? Saying 'we thought it was okay'? Jesus basically told them 'My father's name can't be desecrated like this. It's not okay to do this'.
There's always a legal loophole That's why 'the law' is likened to 'forbidden fruit'. It's so easy to say 'I am allowed by the law'. But sometimes, the righteous thing is not always what's 'permissible' by the law. It's lawful and just to beget eye for eye, yet God himself, instead of sacrificing sinners for the wage that we owed, gave us his son, who was beaten, brutalized and brought to death by those whom he died for!
So using the law as an excuse may be 'lawful', but it is not in true spirit. This is what some apostles called 'eating swine's flesh'. It's using the law to cover bad moral standing.
As Paul tells us in his first letter to Corinth, the weak among the world, the outcasts, oppressed and rejects are blessed and to be shown to shame the aggressors and the 'wise of the ways of the world'. 'you came into my house, I am allowed to beat you', may be lawful response, but not righteous.
I say revenge is God's to have. A crime committed against me (trespassing, assault) should not be met with violence as eye for eye. But rather as forgiveness.
It's funny that we use the same concept 'you hurt me, so I'll CHOOSE whether to forgive you or not', for forgiveness itself, the same as 'maybe I'll choose to shoot you or 'not murder' you instead..
Against the eastern ethos of 'You're wrong is not part of me. So I will not become part of your wrong. Take my eye, I will not take yours. I am not you. And my anger at this only makes me closer to evil'.
This life isn't the end. And it's very easy to think that it is sometimes.
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