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”But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt had commanded them, but let the boys live.“Again, there is no demonstrated fact that the midwives lied. Only what they said may appear to be impossible in your eyes. Perhaps God did speed up the births allowing the women to hide their children. We don't know. But speculating or worse, claiming they lied is not backed by scripture so I ask you to reconsider.
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And now you are heading towards claiming the Midwives were blessed for lying. Very dangerous territory is not an outright untruth. Please, they were blessed. But not for lying.Jesus taught the difference between the letter of the law and the purpose of the law. He didn’t condemn people for pulling fallen animals out of a well on the sabbath. He didn’t condemn David’s actions of going into the temple and eating the bread that was forbidden for anyone to eat except for the Levites. His focus was mercy and compassion, not the letter of the law which is why He defined the purpose of the law which was to love God and to love others. That’s why Rahab was blessed despite her lie because it was crucial to saving the Israelite spies and the midwives who lied to Pharaoh about not killing newborn boys were also blessed. These lies were not malicious in nature they were compassionate and merciful.
Please read some commentaries. Go to BlueLetterBible.com and look up the verse. Then click on the verse in bold. Then look at the tab for commentaries. Read them. You will not find anyone stating the midwives lied. To say that they lied is speculation and that is very dangerous.”But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt had commanded them, but let the boys live.“
Exodus 1:17 NASB1995
Exodus 1:17 specifically says that they did not do as he commanded and they let the boys live.
Jesus posed a problem to the Pharisees that they gave offerings to God instead of to their own parents and by doing so they broke the commandment to honor their mother and father. The case of Rahab is similar because she was either going to have to break the commandment love thy neighbor or lie. Sometimes we might be faced with situations where we have to choose between breaking one of God’s commandments regardless of which choice we make. Let’s say one of your parents tells you to lie or steal. Your going to have to choose to honor their request or lie or steal, any choice you make is going to break one of God’s commandments.This is incorrect. Jesus taught that the Pharisees and Sadducees??? and other leaders had added to the law and made it against the law to do all sorts of things when none of that was true.
Rahab did not turn them in immediately. She was softening towards Jesus. That is the starting point, at least, of where she is recognized by God.
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I don’t read commentaries, there are commentaries for every heresy ever created.Please read some commentaries. Go to BlueLetterBible.com and look up the verse. Then click on the verse in bold. Then look at the tab for commentaries. Read them. You will not find anyone stating the midwives lied. To say that they lied is speculation and that is very dangerous.
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Yes. It is always a sin. It is a lack of trust in God. We need to look to God and pray and expect good things.
I am not trying to be nonchalant about this or act like seeing someone taken away is not horrible or that I would not sin. But I will not call it other than a sin, just because I want to keep it in my back pocket for when I fail to look to and trust God.
Things only 'appear' as life or death. We don't know it is.
[2Ki 6:15-18 KJV] 15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? 16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that [be] with us [are] more than they that [be] with them. 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. 18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
Jesus does not love Elisha anymore than he loves us.
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I think more people need to study the scriptures for themselves instead of having others tell them what the scriptures say.Perhaps most what people read everyday here is fertile ground for promoting errors without end ?
I am sorry. God Never puts us in a position where we have to sin.Jesus posed a problem to the Pharisees that they gave offerings to God instead of to their own parents and by doing so they broke the commandment to honor their mother and father. The case of Rahab is similar because she was either going to have to break the commandment love thy neighbor or lie. Sometimes we might be faced with situations where we have to choose between breaking one of God’s commandments regardless of which choice we make. Let’s say one of your parents tells you to lie or steal. Your going to have to choose to honor their request or lie or steal, any choice you make is going to break one of God’s commandments.
a. Let no one know of these words: Mindful of his own interests, Zedekiah did not want anyone else to know what the LORD told him through Jeremiah. Perhaps he did not want the blame for the catastrophe of misery and destruction that his disobedience would bring.While habitual lying is something to be avoided, let's not forget Jeremiah promised King Zedekiah he would lie... and he did. (Jer. 38:24 - 27)
I think the motive behind the lie is the determining factor as to whether a lie is a sin or not.
Lie about the condition of a car you're selling and you've committed a sin.
Lie as to the whereabouts of your neighbour, when two thugs with guns want to know, and you've saved a life.
That is a pretty gigantic blanket statement and not a bit super negative.I don’t read commentaries, there are commentaries for every heresy ever created.
I agree God never puts us in a position to sin, ever. It’s the world and the people in it that do that. So you think Rahab should’ve told the truth to the guards? Or do you think she shouldn’t have answered the question?I am sorry. God Never puts us in a position where we have to sin.
Period.
I am sorry you feel this is not true.
So you have to be allowed to sin.
You will never be blessed by sinning. No one is. Ever.
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My statement in no way implied that all commentators teach heresies, the point I was trying to convey was that just because someone gives a commentary doesn’t mean it’s an accurate interpretation. I think one of the biggest problem I see here on CF is that too many people rely on commentaries because of their own lack of knowledge about God’s word. What makes a popular commentator’s interpretation any better than anyone else’s? Is it their level of study of the scriptures? I prefer to reach that level of study myself because I learned a long time ago that if your relying on someone else to explain to you what the scriptures actually teach, your gonna get a lot of different answers from a lot of different people which leaves you still having to choose blindly on which one to believe since you aren’t able to make your own assertions.That is a pretty gigantic blanket statement and not a bit super negative.
Perhaps if you had said, 'I have some concerns with commentaries and who writes them...'. Perhaps you are not very careful in your speech or writing. Regadless, you have cut off whole swaths of bible believing quality men and their wisdom. Matthews, Spurgen, Guizak, Thompson, to name some excellent ones.
You stand alone in your wisdom. Shallow ground that. I'll leave you to it. I have no desire to debate over your personal feelings. I do my best to avoid my actions dictating my feelings. I prefer my actions to dictate my feelings. And my actions are fed by scripture and quality-approved bible teachers.
You have a nice day.
Peace and Blessings.
Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.You should change your profile name, it’s deceiving.
Why didn’t you post James 2:25?
”In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?“
James 2:25 NASB1995
How would this have played out if she had not lied to the Canaanite guards?
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.Why is lying a sin?
”“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”“
Matthew 22:36-40 NASB1995
Lying is a sin when it is done deceitfully but when it is done out of compassion and mercy it isn’t. When it’s done to save the life of another it isn’t a sin.
Did what the nazis did, change the faith of the Jews, NO, did what the resisters to the same nazis did, change the belief of the Jews, NO.Like an example for people arguing for this point is when thr Naxis invaded many Households where people were hiding Jews and they had a conundrum. If they said "Yes" to hiding Jews and told the truth, they and the Jew/Jews they were hiding would die. If they said "No" they would be lying yet it would preserve life. This is kind of a Grey area for me.
While it's true that the Bible teaches that lying is a sin and that people should be willing to die for their faith it doesn't have a response about this frequently stated conundrum. It would be impossible for it to talk about this direct situation because WWII began in the 1940s but it doesnt say whether or not it's ok to lie to preserve human life. You can't deny that lying is a sin but is it ALWAYS a sin is the question.
Yes lets remember all, that is useful that I am here isn't it.Let’s not forget about the midwives who lied to Pharaoh in order to save newborn boys. And what was God’s reaction to that lie?
”So the king of Egypt called for the midwives and said to them, “Why have you done this thing, and let the boys live?” The midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife can get to them.” So God was good to the midwives, and the people multiplied, and became very mighty. Because the midwives feared God, He established households for them.“
Exodus 1:18-21 NASB1995
Exodus 1:19-21 The midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife can get to them.” So God was good to the midwives, and th | New American Standard Bible - NA
The midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife can get to them.” So God was good to the midwives, and thbible.com
You cant use scripture as if it is convenience food, and not be willing to show the INGREDIENTS.Jesus taught the difference between the letter of the law and the purpose of the law. He didn’t condemn people for pulling fallen animals out of a well on the sabbath. He didn’t condemn David’s actions of going into the temple and eating the bread that was forbidden for anyone to eat except for the Levites. His focus was mercy and compassion, not the letter of the law which is why He defined the purpose of the law which was to love God and to love others. That’s why Rahab was blessed despite her lie because it was crucial to saving the Israelite spies and the midwives who lied to Pharaoh about not killing newborn boys were also blessed. These lies were not malicious in nature they were compassionate and merciful.
Rahab lied, does that show lying to be the correct path, no, because that would be in denial of Jesus Christ being better than Solomon/David/Rahab.Protecting them, exactly. That was the “works” referred to in James 2. She couldn’t have done that without lying. The guards specifically asked her where they were. If she didn’t answer they would’ve searched the place and found them. The only option to protect them was to lie.
Rahab did what Rahab could do, what do you think anyone can do without receiving the Holy Spirit by belief in the righteousness of Jesus Christ rising from the dead..I agree God never puts us in a position to sin, ever. It’s the world and the people in it that do that. So you think Rahab should’ve told the truth to the guards? Or do you think she shouldn’t have answered the question?
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