Is it designed?

[Speedwell]

If that's true wouldn't it be in the news more.

Not lately. The Discovery Institute and its Dominionist supporters have fizzled out.

 

[juvenissun]

As a geologist could you not attempt to explain how B was formed, by natural forces?

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If nobody want to listen, I will not explain.

 

[tas8831]

No more than a 'Cheeto' was designed to look like a chameleon.

So then these images of Jesus in burnt toast and the like - not miracles? Got it.

 

[durangodawood]

Cases A, B, C are designed by God. How? It goes beyond your understanding. So, don't bother.
Case D is designed by man.

Do you understand it?

 

[tas8831]

How do you determine where there is purpose?

I suspect it is determined in a post hoc fashion.

'This wrench can be used as a hammer.'
'Ah, thus its purpose is to be used as a hammer.'
'Designed as such, no doubt.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Cases A, B, C are designed by God. How? It goes beyond your understanding. So, don't bother.
Case D is designed by man.

You jumped straight to the conclusion, while I even said that any particular conclusion is of no interest.

The point of the thread is to demonstrate a practical application of ID Theory.
The way to the conclusion is what interests me in this thread.

And let that be precisely the step that you completely skipped in your post.

The question of the thread is not "what is your conclusion?"
The question is: "How do you get to your conclusion, by applying ID? Explain the method step by step, using the examples given. In short: how do you detect if these objects are designed or naturally formed?"

At this point, I will invite every creationist / ID proponent who does not plan on properly answering the OP, and instead just wants to drive-by post irrelevant drivel, to continue walking and not post at all.

Thanks.


PS: why is it so hard, to get a simple demonstration of practical application of this supposedly scientific model????

 

[Jimmy D]

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If nobody want to listen, I will not explain.

I wouldn’t have asked if I wasn’t interested.

And anyway, I didn’t ask if you would, I asked if you could.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Where there is purpose there is design.

How do you detect purpose?

There's a big rock in my garden with a pointy edge. Cats love to use it to scratch themselves by rubbing against it. As far as my cat is concerned, that rock is a scratching pole. So the purpose of the rock for my cat, is to be used as a scratching device for places that she can't reach with her claws.

Is the rock now designed? Is it a designed "scratcher"?

 

[DogmaHunter]

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If nobody want to listen, I will not explain.

The very raison d'être of this thread, is to get explanation.

Specifically, explanation on the practical application of "ID theory", supposedly a very good model to detect design.

So I gave 4 objects. Please apply ID theory to "detect design".
Note: I want a demonstration of the method - I am not interested in the conclusions. Not yet anyway - perhaps we'll get to it later. But it seems as if we'll never get that far, because nobody seems to be able to demonstrate their ID method. So far, anyway.

Is really nobody even going to attempt?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How do you detect purpose?

Regarding loose rocks, I would want to know where they came from. I'm guessing that's where you'll find their original intended purpose.

 

[pitabread]

we can only be sure for image d. why? because the chance to get this shape by a natural process is extremely low. this is why we can conclude design.

Except you're not using probability in this case; you're just using pattern recognition.

 

[Occams Barber]

Where there is purpose there is design.

“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.”

Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt​

OB

 

[Kenny'sID]

Please use "ID methodology" to determine which one of these was designed and which were naturally formed.

what's the big mystery? They were all formed out of something that was ID'd.

Did I beat around the bush?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.”

Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt​

OB

Poor ol' Doug. He doesn't see the purpose of evaporation (purification and distribution of water).

 

[Kenny'sID]

The point of the thread is to demonstrate a practical application of ID Theory.
The way to the conclusion is what interests me in this thread.

The way to conclusion?

I'm a Christian. and my last post is what some of us believe...what did you expect to find on a Christian website?

Another great mystery, solved.

 

[pitabread]

why is it so hard, to get a simple demonstration of practical application of this supposedly scientific model????

I suppose when something doesn't exist, it's a bit difficult to get a demonstration thereof...

 

[DogmaHunter]

The way to conclusion?

I'm a Christian. and my last post is what some of us believe...what did you expect to find on a Christian website?

Another great mystery, solved.

The thread is addressed to ID proponents who continue claiming, on this very website, that ID is a proper scientific theory and thus can be used in practical application to detect design in a scientific manner.

This thread asks for a demonstration of such a practical application.

You seem to be saying that you have no such theory that can be applied practically and that instead, you just have religious beliefs.

That's totally fine, but then this thread isn't for you.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Regarding loose rocks, I would want to know where they came from. I'm guessing that's where you'll find their original intended purpose.

Give an example?

 

[Kenny'sID]

You seem to be saying that you have no such theory that can be applied practically and that instead, you just have religious beliefs.

That's totally fine, but then this thread isn't for you.

And you have Atheist beliefs born of faith in what you think is a fact it didn't all come from God, and the reality of that is, it's no more than a "belief" as there is no possible way you could have a clue how it began, yet you claim the thread is not for me/my beliefs, but it is for you and your beliefs.

My belief is no more ridiculous than yours when it comes right down to it, and you need to cover those things before you can even think about getting to your op because it IS part of the equation. ID started it and those things you picture are a result of what happened because of ID, as in my original answer.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And you have Atheist beliefs born of faith in what you think is a fact it didn't all come from God, and the reality of that is, it's no more than a "belief" as there is no possible way you could have a clue how it began, yet you claim the thread is not for me/my beliefs, but it is for you and your beliefs.

This strawmen is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

My belief is no more ridiculous than yours when it comes right down to it, and you need to cover those things before you can even think about getting to your op because it IS part of the equation. ID started it and those things you picture are a result of what happened because of ID, as in my original answer.

ID proponents claim that ID is a proper scientific theory which can be used to detect design in objects.

This thread is asking for a demonstration of this practical application.

Please stick to the topic and take your mantra elsewhere - there are enough threads for you to preach in.

Meanwhile, page 3 and NOT A SINGLE demonstration of how ID theory can be applied in practice.