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Every atheist soldier who was ever killed on active service.Cut to the chase. Give us 3-5 examples of confirmed atheists who willing gave up their productive lives for a stranger, you know, like eg., Maximillian Kolbe.
Exactly. Jan 6th in the USA proves it! Darn those darn progressives.If anything Fantine, it's progressives such as yourself who are more likely to encourage militarism in order to secure the current progressive political order.
Jan 6 is more of a revolt against the political order than genuine militarism. It's not as if the left in America is above rioting either for causes they support. But that's not militarism. Who is currently supporting Ukraine in fighting to the last Ukranian? It's the left and neo cons who are ideologically committed to keeping the conflict ongoing. The right is skeptical of supporting Ukraine and is more likely to have a realist geo political perspective on the conflict than the left is, whose perspective is ideological rather than pragmatic.Exactly. Jan 6th in the USA proves it! Darn those darn progressives.
AKA, insurrection against the established order. (Not militarism, but not good.)Jan 6 is more of a revolt against the political order than genuine militarism.
It's not as if the left in America is above rioting either for causes they support. But that's not militarism. Who is currently supporting Ukraine in fighting to the last Ukranian? It's the left and neo cons who are ideologically committed to keeping the conflict ongoing. The right is skeptical of supporting Ukraine and is more likely to have a realist geo political perspective on the conflict than the left is, whose perspective is ideological rather than pragmatic.
I want to raise any children I have in the values of the faith, not in the values of my enemies.
And if anyone would like to contact any atheists who have or who are serving in the US military, here's a contact page: Military Association of Atheists & FreethinkersEvery atheist soldier who was ever killed on active service.
Loving one's enemy is not the same as having no enemies. Yes, the world as a whole is the enemy of Christianity. Our interests are not aligned and therefore we are enemies.Well at least you're honest enough to describe them as you really consider them to be. It's sad though, to know that the majority of the people on the planet are your enemy, and that your children may be forced to grow up believing it. And yet people wonder why the world is the way it is, especially with all those loving Christians out there spreading the message of 'love thy neighbor'. Curious... isn't it?
So other Christians, whose views are not aligned with yours, are also your enemy.Loving one's enemy is not the same as having no enemies. Yes, the world as a whole is the enemy of Christianity. Our interests are not aligned and therefore we are enemies.
Loving one's enemy is not the same as having no enemies.
Yeah, though there is always a level of severity to these things. Do you think all Christians are aligned or like each other or something? Some one like Fantine for instance wants to redefine Christianity in purely progressive and modern stances on things. I want to keep the faith once for all delivered to the Apostles.So other Christians, whose views are not aligned with yours, are also your enemy.
Except you don't know what the verse to love your enemy means. If we have no enemies how to do we love someone who is genuinely opposed to us and our interests? It's not hard because there are no enemies. What's hard is to actually love someone who is set against youI would teach you what that verse means, but sadly, I don't think that it's a lesson that you're ready to learn. Suffice it to say that I may be the enemy of many, including yourself, there's no avoiding that, but none of them are enemies of mine. Perhaps the day will come when you'll have no enemies either. But that I'm afraid is in nobody's hands but your own.
It's human nature. The friend/enemy distinction is inevitable and unavoidable.I'm not sure that that is a good thing.
I know of some people with whom I would rather not prop a bar. But even those I wouldn't class as an enemy. An enemy is out to harm me and mine. He or she is not someone who simply has a different opinion.It's human nature. The friend/enemy distinction is inevitable and unavoidable.
The enemy is one who opposes your interests. It's not about having a different opinion. Though obviously a different opinion will lead to different conclusions and outcomes.I know of some people with whom I would rather not prop a bar. But even those I wouldn't class as an enemy. An enemy is out to harm me and mine. He or she is not someone who simply has a different opinion.
Please post in sentences, ie., subject, verb, predicate,Rejecting a lot of the teachings of various religions.
The comment remains an excellent idea.Your comment was 'one needs to develop real Christians as acquaintances.'
Exactly, who is "we"? You did not include the name of the thread. Have you not gleaned any Christian thinking after almost 5 years and over 14,000 posts?That's most definitely not supported by the comments we find in this forum. And being a specifically Christian forum one would expect to find examples of what Christians think. Did you check out that thread?
Did you know Pat Tillman? Since the courageous man was reportedly accidentally killed by friendly fire, I don't think his death circumstances equate to the intentional self-sacrifice of Maximillian Kolbe. I will only pray that at the time of his death, Tillman was still seeking the truth about God's existence.And in passing, here's one guy who did give his life. Corporal Pat Tillman.
Have you not gleaned any Christian thinking after almost 5 years and over 14,000 posts?
I can only concur with what @partinobodycular said above. And reiterate Ghandi's comment about liking your Christ. But not your Christians. Far too often I'll spend some time online here and come away depressed and disheartened, and often angry, about what the anonymity of a forum allows people to say.Have you not gleaned any Christian thinking after almost 5 years and over 14,000 posts?
But you don't like Christ. You like this liberal image of him as a pacifist who did nothing controversial but not as one who radically called people to God or eqauted himself with the divine, even to the point of offense and the use of force. To change every aspect of their lives to live in conformity with what God expects. Not with what people like yourself want.I can only concur with what @partinobodycular said above. And reiterate Ghandi's comment about liking your Christ. But not your Christians. Far too often I'll spend some time online here and come away depressed and disheartened, and often angry, about what the anonymity of a forum allows people to say.
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