revrobor said:
I'm not encouraging masturbation but attempting to discourage the twisting of Scripture and the presentation of twisted "facts".
Be careful of your accusations, revrobor. I certainly didn't mean to twist anything, and certainly not Scripture. I am truly and deeply sorry for any misinformation I may have put forth, but I would NEVER twist Scripture. Twisting Scripture is a deliberate action. I was speaking in my lack of knowledge and I deeply apologize for that. I should've checked it out first and I think you are right about Onan and God's reason to reject him. :o
Be careful before you accuse
anyone of twisting Scripture. It's a very serious thing to do so (primarily twisting Scripture, secondarily accusing people of doing so on the basis of
one post), because the exact action of twisting requires a deliberate mind wanting to do so to make them look wise or closer to God than others among other reasons. Could it be that you have misunderstood the person, or he/she was speaking this way because of lack of knowledge? is the question you need to ask them. If everybody should be as rash about these things as you have been here, I guess every newly born again is twisting Scripture, according to your logic?
Although I don't need to defend myself concerning this matter, for God knows my heart, I should perhaps tell you of my engagements in
fighting false teachings and practices in the church today. Generally, I think it was unfair of you to jump to such a conclusion about me.
Now, if I was to "get even" with you on this, I would accuse you of steering the conversation into getting me defensive so I lose track of the subject and my arguments in favor of my statement. (Which is everything but being relevant and showing good form in a discussion.) But I don't think that was your intent. I think you saw the misinterpretation of Scripture, which I was guilty of - not knowing what Onan's story was really about - and I ask everybody's forgiveness for that, and you reacted to it, though you were rash, too harsh and ignorant of my heart and intent in your response.
Well, back to the subject. It's the thing with impure thoughts. Somebody says you can mesterbate without having impure thoughts. Maybe you can do this 1/20 times, but what of the other 19? And what things do you think would occupy your mind? The lust for masterbating always comes from lusting for someone or a certain part of someone. Lusting for someone who is not your spouse is a sin, so why should we make up excuses to keep masterbating? I think it's a "pet sin" to many, and it was to me a long time as well, but my conscience became captive to these verses:
Matt 5,27-29:
27 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye causeth thee to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body be cast into hell.
