Is It A Sin to touch?

[kunfuzdchic]

I basically agree but .....



I am not sure if that is a good reason??,

.... lets be honest we all everyday enjoy an array of selfish pleasures!

"Why is masturbation considered 'abuse' of self? Why is pleasure selfish"

We don't however enjoy selfish pleasures that cause your SOUL and relationship with God harm(which masturbation does).Aren't you violating your body (the temple of the holyspirit) for the sake of YOUR SELFISH PLEASURES? What else can you call the act of masturbation? During the act you don't think beyond the point of satisfying our own lust..right? isn't this kind of pleasure selfish? and when we indulge this lust to sexually satisfy ourselves, aren't we sinning? You shouldn't overlook the fact that our body is for the use of God's glory i.e. Jesus Christ.He died for our precious souls."abuse" i meant as a synonym for misuse of our holy bodies.


word of advice to anyone who needs help breaking this habitual sin: go to settingcaptivesfree.com.

 

[julian the apostate]

dr james dobson:



We were riding in the car, and my dad said, “Jim, when I was a boy, I worried so much about masturbation. It really became a scary thing for me because I thought God was condemning me for what I couldn’t help. So I’m telling you now that I hope you don’t feel the need to engage in this act when you reach the teen years, but if you do, you shouldn’t be too concerned about it. I don’t believe it has much to do with your relationship with God.” What a compassionate thing my father did for me that night in the car. He was a very conservative minister who never compromised his standards of morality to the day of his death. He stood like a rock for biblical principles and commandments. Yet he cared enough about me to lift from my shoulders the burden of guilt that nearly destroyed some of my friends in the church. This kind of “reasonable” faith taught to me by my parents is one of the primary reasons I never felt it necessary to rebel against parental authority or defy God.

http://www.focusonyourchild.com/develop/art1/A0000553.html

 

[Look Homeward Anglican]

dr james dobson:



We were riding in the car, and my dad said, “Jim, when I was a boy, I worried so much about masturbation. It really became a scary thing for me because I thought God was condemning me for what I couldn’t help. So I’m telling you now that I hope you don’t feel the need to engage in this act when you reach the teen years, but if you do, you shouldn’t be too concerned about it. I don’t believe it has much to do with your relationship with God.” What a compassionate thing my father did for me that night in the car. He was a very conservative minister who never compromised his standards of morality to the day of his death. He stood like a rock for biblical principles and commandments. Yet he cared enough about me to lift from my shoulders the burden of guilt that nearly destroyed some of my friends in the church. This kind of “reasonable” faith taught to me by my parents is one of the primary reasons I never felt it necessary to rebel against parental authority or defy God.

http://www.focusonyourchild.com/develop/art1/A0000553.html

I have always admired Dr. Dobson. What a lovely story. I have to say I agree with his father.

 

[rosiecotton]

We don't however enjoy selfish pleasures that cause your SOUL and relationship with God harm(which masturbation does).Aren't you violating your body (the temple of the holyspirit) for the sake of YOUR SELFISH PLEASURES? What else can you call the act of masturbation? During the act you don't think beyond the point of satisfying our own lust..right? isn't this kind of pleasure selfish? and when we indulge this lust to sexually satisfy ourselves, aren't we sinning? You shouldn't overlook the fact that our body is for the use of God's glory i.e. Jesus Christ.He died for our precious souls."abuse" i meant as a synonym for misuse of our holy bodies.


word of advice to anyone who needs help breaking this habitual sin: go to settingcaptivesfree.com.

But what about it being used in the context of marriage? I don't mean, 'in place of' sex with hubby, but to enhance it. I don't see that as selfish at all (and I think we've gone over and over this point in many of the posts already).
Also, I have a LOT closer relationship with God now than I ever have. It has not hurt my relationship with Him at all.
And, for me anyway, it's not a habitual sin. Probably because I don't look at it as sin. When I did think of it as a sin, for most of my life (I'd say for almost 30 years!) I did struggle with it. Within the past year or so, I have had a change of the way I view it after reading other viewpoints on it and praying about it. Since I no longer see it as the huge horrible sin many say it is, I really do not struggle with it at all. I can't really even remember the last time I actually masturbated.

 

[kunfuzdchic]

But what about it being used in the context of marriage? I don't mean, 'in place of' sex with hubby, but to enhance it. I don't see that as selfish at all (and I think we've gone over and over this point in many of the posts already).
Also, I have a LOT closer relationship with God now than I ever have. It has not hurt my relationship with Him at all.
And, for me anyway, it's not a habitual sin. Probably because I don't look at it as sin. When I did think of it as a sin, for most of my life (I'd say for almost 30 years!) I did struggle with it. Within the past year or so, I have had a change of the way I view it after reading other viewpoints on it and praying about it. Since I no longer see it as the huge horrible sin many say it is, I really do not struggle with it at all. I can't really even remember the last time I actually masturbated.

That's like the Thomas' theorem in Sociology "if people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". I believe in my heart that masturbation is a sin.The readings in the Bible and all priests and ministers i have asked have convinced me of it.However being unmarried, i cannot comment on it being used as a love making method between a married couple.I remember reading somewhere in the Bible that the place of man's seed is within the womb of a wife/woman...i don't know much about the Biblical principles that apply within the bedroom of a married couple

 

[julian the apostate]

I remember reading somewhere in the Bible that the place of man's seed is within the womb of a wife/woman


that is in the bible?

 

[kunfuzdchic]

I remember reading somewhere in the Bible that the place of man's seed is within the womb of a wife/woman


that is in the bible?

hmm i think that was the lesson I was taught at a homily... from the Onan story in Genesis.

 

[pneuma]

Must read, there is so much more I want to write on this topic

Ok I after reading most of what you guys were saying I have to address a few things first. It seems on either side anyone can argue is it a sin or isn’t it. This is probably as widely debated with drinking alcohol. From what I gather people on this topic are using conscience as reason to justify why they shouldn’t do or do something. And for that matter why another believer shouldn’t. The common suggestion is dont you feel bad after you do it. Then because your conscience is bothered then it must be wrong.
The bible clearly talks about conscience and though it helps guide us into truth it is not to be relied on as the absolute truth. With that being said we have to be careful not to get caught up in relative sin. This is a recipe for disaster. But where the bible is silent on a hot issue like this we are to be led by what the Spirit of God puts in is. Although if one is bothered by masturbation and believes it is wrong then to that individual it is applies and they are giving God glory by abstaining. The apostle Paul inspired by the Spirit teaches us this when he gives the examples of somone’s conscience being bothered because they are worried about eating meat that are offered to gods. 1Cr 8:7.8 "However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat {food} as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. "... "But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat."

What did he say... he said do not ask where the meat has come from or has been offered so that your conscience wont bothered you in 1Cor 10:27. The same applied for people who just eat vegitables or someone who doesn’t drink. There was a division in the church because christians were allowing there conscience to dictate how another believer is to live. I’m paraphrasing but Paul said why should he be bothered because someone elses conscience doesn’t allow them to eat sacrificed meat in 1Cor10:29. This was discussed because conscience seems to be the driving point masturbation being a sin.

Back to masturbation my second point is we seem to misunderstanding what lust is. Lust does not mean to desire sex which the world seems to use and even Christians. The Greek word is "epithumia" which means evil desires or to desire what is forbidden. And that can mean a multitude of things. Yes masturbation can be sinful if you have evil desires. The desire to have sex is not evil people because every single christrian in here has that urge. It is natural, this is why we are to marry if we cant control it. This is why married couple is suppose to have sex often so that they wont be tempted by the devil to cheat or commit adultery. What I am getting at is if marriage is a sacred unity between man and women and sex is aloud how is thinking about having sex with your future wife or someone you want to spend the rest of your life with "evil desires"? The reason we look at masturbation as so terrible because it has defiled our minds and become master of out thoughts with pornography. We desire to have sex without the intentions of wanting to marry. "Paul said I can do all things and nothing is master of me" Masturbation can lead to dominance in ones life where that is what they meditate on daily and do "it" daily. Pornography should not be used nor looking upon a women to do it. The frequency of ones masturbation shouldn’t be debated but the individual doing this has to ask themselves on a daily basis is this act dominating their life and in turn become an idol in which God no longer has the attention of the believer. The Spirit of God has dealt with me on this issue and cleared up issues and guilt I had about this. After being filled with the Spirit of God this strong hold has been torn down. I no longer frequently do it or think about nearly as much. I only wish this would clear up some misunderstanding christrian men and women have about this. If masturbation prevents a believer from having sex, having babies out of wedlock, catching AIDS or diseases, and keeping their mind on God with the motivation to want to be married a sin or forbidden then I believe there needs to be studying and praying in the body of Christ. And stop letting other peoples conscience dictate how you should live. We are instructed to be led by the Spirit unfortunately sex and masturbation is still a taboo subject in church.

 

[White Horse]

Why do so many double naught fundamentalists want to make everything black and white?

Let's assume a man has a prostate infection and his doctor tells him keeping his prostate flushed will promote healing. Now let's assume this man is single or even married to someone who doesn't or can't have sex anymore, so he has no way of taking care of this situation, short of masturbation. Other than he could go to the doctor once a week for a prostate massage. A very painful and inconvenient way to do something that could be done in more pleasurable and much less intrusive manner.

Now, I know for a fact (much to my dismay) that just a regular ol' run of the mill prostrate exam is very uncomfortable (not to mention humiliating...you know we can fly people around in space, we can talk all over the world on a computer...can we not find a better way to go about this exam than our current methods? geeze). How much more uncomfortable would it be if that prostate gland were inflamed and infected, and to make matters even worse, chock full of fluid because a guy is going to Hell if he masturbates?

Let's use our common sense here, folks. It's like anything else. If you use it to come between your relationship with God or your relationship with your spouse, then it's wrong. But the same thing can be said of watching TV, or playing on the internet, even this board, for that matter, or driving your automobile or any and every other action you do. It's the heart, people. What are the desires of your heart? Why are you doing what you do?

Face it, men actually have a physical need for release. Totally aside from the emotional need and the stress releaving affects, there's actually a for real physical need that can lead to problems if not addressed, and/or impede healing should a problem arise. A problem which is very common in men over 40.

Women go to Hell if they touch, though. I'm kidding, I'm kidding!

 

[ezing]

Prove the existence of the "Soul".

 

[ezing]

dr james dobson:



We were riding in the car, and my dad said, “Jim, when I was a boy, I worried so much about masturbation. It really became a scary thing for me because I thought God was condemning me for what I couldn’t help. So I’m telling you now that I hope you don’t feel the need to engage in this act when you reach the teen years, but if you do, you shouldn’t be too concerned about it. I don’t believe it has much to do with your relationship with God.” What a compassionate thing my father did for me that night in the car. He was a very conservative minister who never compromised his standards of morality to the day of his death. He stood like a rock for biblical principles and commandments. Yet he cared enough about me to lift from my shoulders the burden of guilt that nearly destroyed some of my friends in the church. This kind of “reasonable” faith taught to me by my parents is one of the primary reasons I never felt it necessary to rebel against parental authority or defy God.

http://www.focusonyourchild.com/develop/art1/A0000553.html

Yeah Dobson had a point. At least when the Kid sees a pretty girl he will not have have to change his shorts, which would probably be the case otherwise. <img>

 

[ezing]

I remember reading somewhere in the Bible that the place of man's seed is within the womb of a wife/woman


that is in the bible?

NO.

 

[skilltroks]

I've talked to leaders at a camp about this they replied that we can't treat our bodies the way one does when they touch [or w.e] themselves. We are to precious to God for materbation, and it's just another way of having sex [in away]

 

[flyingsum0]

I've been thinkning about this topic a lot lately...while I'm not judging anyone elses response(s) I can say that pronography and lusting after women, forms a barrier between myself and my relationship with the LORD. I am therefore trying my best to rid my life of it as much as I can.

Without stating a bunch of facts which have already be stated and debated, I can say with a clear conscience, that touching yourself on the other hand does not form that same boundary.

I pray on these topic everyday and ask for the guidance that only they LORD has and can give.

God Bless You All!

 

[jingwei]

WHY touch?

 

[linssue55]

yES......"DO NOT DROP YOUR SEEDS ON THE GROUND".

 

[revrobor]

yES......"DO NOT DROP YOUR SEEDS ON THE GROUND".

Give it a rest. Neither this nor any verse in the Bible addresses the matter of masturbation.

 

[ezing]

I've talked to leaders at a camp about this they replied that we can't treat our bodies the way one does when they touch [or w.e] themselves. We are to precious to God for materbation, and it's just another way of having sex [in away]

They are not telling the entire truth.

 

[ezing]

I've been thinkning about this topic a lot lately...while I'm not judging anyone elses response(s) I can say that pronography and lusting after women, forms a barrier between myself and my relationship with the LORD. I am therefore trying my best to rid my life of it as much as I can.

Without stating a bunch of facts which have already be stated and debated, I can say with a clear conscience, that touching yourself on the other hand does not form that same boundary.

I pray on these topic everyday and ask for the guidance that only they LORD has and can give.

God Bless You All!

Pray to the LORD GOD to bring an understanding wife to you and be happy.

 

[ezing]

WHY touch?

it will lower your testosterone level so that you can think of somrthing other than sex.