Is It A Sin to touch?

[Ceris]

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[julian the apostate]

rosenherman<<Since it's not a sin, there's nothing to alert our brothers/sisters about.


good point

it may be a sin though to worry about whether or not a brother or sister masturbates and make it your own business

especially when i highly doubt that anyone here has never done it

in fact we should have a general rule for this discussion

only those who have never masturbated are allowed to say it is wrong

 

[Asaph]

So men are not to tell other's when an act is sinful? Just keep our mouths shut while you act against God in a way He would not be pleased. Then you must also believe the Holy Spirit doesn't lead men to tell other men it's sinful either. Any who actually believes this should get off this thread or as a matter of fact, any thread that contains a topic that will lead to you telling us what is right or wrong.

Jesus did say for us to look in our own eye first if our brother has a spinter in it. However, He didn't say to never look in our brother's eye.

Thank God Almighty He has been so gracious as to leave us His love letter and the Holy Spirit to help us understand.

Is God Awesome or what?!

Asaph

 

[amorosi]

Hi guys

I don't have much to say on this topic...suffice to say....masturbation is an ugly sounding big word isn't it !

It is perhaps more better presented as an act of self-gratification, or as in old-testament terminology--"the spilling of the seed"

And not that most things haven't already been covered already--but to acknowledge that the use of fantasy thoughts or the imagined partner in a sexually imagined way, is and would be the violation of scripture and God's holy standard.

I don't post here often, but just thought to drop by and say hi

amorosi

 

[holo]

I was engaged once, and my fiance caught me masturbating. She said, "Save it for marriage!"

A few weeks later, she caught me again. She said, "Didn't I tell you to save it for marriage?!"
I replied, "But I do! I already have a bucket full!"

 

[julian the apostate]

lol

 

[MrsSeptemberPenguin]

kinda a foggy topic.I believe it is sinful because even if masturbation in itself isn't a sin, you can't materbate w/o the thoughts that go with it.

 

[Harlan Norris]

One thing leads to another. If touching yourself causes you to have guilt feelings, then it's probably a sin.

 

[Asaph]

One thing leads to another. If touching yourself causes you to have guilt feelings, then it's probably a sin.

Not to nit-pick, but all guilt feelings come from the enemy. Conviction from the Holy Spirit is an entirely different thing.

Asaph

 

[julian the apostate]

that is a good point asaph

our own spirit is not a reliable guide (many times anyway)

 

[Donovanwood]

This is how i see it, and it can affect other things as well. If you are not sure if something is truely a sin or not, and cannot find in the Bible where it would say that, Then turn to yourself. If you think that it is bad yet you still do it, you are commiting worse than a sin, you are commiting a sin and enjoying it. On the other hand, if you do not think its a sin then you should pray, listen deep to God to tell you the answer. Either way it's governed by the Holy spirit, which is also refered to as your "conscience", well by my family at least. I hope this has helped you and anyone else reading it. If something cannot be found in the Bible then maybe you should seek the answers in your heart. Just a thought.

 

[Asaph]

This is how i see it, and it can affect other things as well. If you are not sure if something is truely a sin or not, and cannot find in the Bible where it would say that, Then turn to yourself. If you think that it is bad yet you still do it, you are commiting worse than a sin, you are commiting a sin and enjoying it. On the other hand, if you do not think its a sin then you should pray, listen deep to God to tell you the answer. Either way it's governed by the Holy spirit, which is also refered to as your "conscience", well by my family at least. I hope this has helped you and anyone else reading it. If something cannot be found in the Bible then maybe you should seek the answers in your heart. Just a thought.

Maybe not.

Jer 17:9
9 "The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
NKJV


Asaph

 

[perpendicular_bisector]

Well, I would agree more here if you switched "masturbation" with "porn".


We'll have to agree to disagree that masturbation is a vice.
Other than that, it doesn't really impress me if someone "conquers" a sin. If it's not Jesus who does it, I don't want it.
I'm not suggesting that people who don't, or have stopped, masturbating are in bondage, but that they can be, just as the alcoholic who doesn't drink anymore is. He's still a slave to it.

Annyway I think it's really important that we don't turn people into slaves if they're not slaves to begin with. In Norway I've been called a slave to the world and it's ways, and even to alcohol, because I happen to enjoy a beer or two. That wouldn't happen in Germany, but there they may be suspicious if you drink coffee. See my point? When I meet believers who, say, smoke cannabis, I might let them now that I think it's not good for them, but if they're doing it "with offense", as Paul put it, I don't need to tell them that it's sinful or anything like that.

To quote a friend of mine, "it's nobody's business how fast I wash my private parts in the shower..."

Good points

Whoever the son sets free is free indeed.

I have met many freed alcoholics who are aggressive when I have wine with my dinner because they are tempted. Why? They are not free. its the same with touching yourself.

 

[AshenK]

The righteous have peace in what they do. (Psalm 119:65)
If you are stuggling and worrying if this is a sin, then it probably is. Is it a sin because you do it? No. You sin because you're using masturbation wrongly.

 

[holo]

Good points

Whoever the son sets free is free indeed.

I have met many freed alcoholics who are aggressive when I have wine with my dinner because they are tempted. Why? They are not free. its the same with touching yourself.

Well, I too would be aggressive if you masturbated while we were having dinner

 

[Asaph]

The righteous have peace in what they do. (Psalm 119:65)
If you are stuggling and worrying if this is a sin, then it probably is. Is it a sin because you do it? No. You sin because you're using masturbation wrongly.

No, it would be a sin because you don't know Jesus.

(as a side note....just exactly how would one touch wrongly? Would scratching your armpit be considered masturbating wrongly?)

Yeah, that one kind of confused me.

Asaph

 

[elisabeth-catherine]

I believe that masturbation can teach self-control.
As a person who engaged in this ubiquitous art-form, I can now safely say,
I don't regret learning about my own body, or "getting rid" of unclean
fantasies that would actually be harmful and sinful if really practiced with
anyone. In fact, as someone who was abused, I learned how to change my
thoughts from violence when engaged in these acts of self-pleasure, to thoughts and images that were very loving. And, truthfully, when that happened, I no longer had any need to touch. I literally "taught myself"
how to go beyond physical pleasure and channel it into a purer realm.
When I engage in foreplay, it's not about domination at all, or what they talk
about in the movies. It's about controlling my impulses for the sake of my
partner, to be giving, and loving, and teaching him what makes me feel
good and holy. Men are actually encouraged to engage in masturbation
in some ancient religions, for the express purpose of controlling themselves
in the actual sexual process--making the whole sexual act a true act of self-giving
creation.

 

[New_Found_Faith]

I personally believe masturbation to be a sinful act because it is done with the purpose of deriving sexual pleasure for one's self. It takes God's gift of sexual union (the giving of spouses fully to each other) and twists it into an act of self-gratification. I also believe that any sexual act commited outside of marriage could be considered an act of fornication. The only difference being that you only defile yourself instead of cauing another person to sin as well. That's just how I see it, though.

 

[SH89]

Sarcasm on/ Well,i looked in the bible and saw nothing wrong with using DOWNY, but i feel that it is a sin. this feeling will direct me and guide me and tell what is a sin. I FEEL that washing my cloths with DOWNY is a sin, i must use TIDE/sarcasm off

We cannot resort to feelings to tell what is a sin or not. Before determining what act is sinful, you have to know WHAT IS SIN.
...... for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 john 3:4)
So, just wondering, what law says that we should not touch?
FOR the Law tells us what sin is...

 

[holo]

Sarcasm on/ Well,i looked in the bible and saw nothing wrong with using DOWNY, but i feel that it is a sin. this feeling will direct me and guide me and tell what is a sin. I FEEL that washing my cloths with DOWNY is a sin, i must use TIDE/sarcasm off

We cannot resort to feelings to tell what is a sin or not. Before determining what act is sinful, you have to know WHAT IS SIN.
...... for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 john 3:4)
So, just wondering, what law says that we should not touch?
FOR the Law tells us what sin is...

Ah, but everything is lawful to us...
chew on that...