Is Human Equality just a concept?

[Tanj]

Good grief. That's so catastrophically incorrect, it's not even wrong. I'm not even sure where to start...

It's coming from inside your country!!

 

[Adrian Moir]

Oh dear...

You do not know me at all do you?

And "yes to your previous test", etc... Yes I know both scriptures about causing or else not causing divisions or not also, etc...

But I'm just going to go back to my previous response, which is, God can fix anything we might mess up, etc, but as far as each ones own unique individual heart goes, He requires our cooperation and for us to work along with Him on it, or He cannot do it, etc...

God Bless!

Yes. The hand cannot say to the head "I don't need you" so the Lord is over these matters and has the final word from scripture. But to divide an issue is what it takes to unite people who are one from the heart and share the same cause. For we are to make wise to simple, that is to make plain a choice for others, and the conscience is what will choose. But the word of God is will decide for us.

God bless

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes. The hand cannot say to the head "I don't need you" so the Lord is over these matters and has the final word from scripture. But to divide an issue is what it takes to unite people who are one from the heart and share the same cause. For we are to make wise to simple, that is to make plain a choice for others, and the conscience is what will choose. But the word of God is will decide for us.

God bless

If those are your true motivations or goals, or what is truly in your heart as you do so, etc, cause divisions to eventually bring together, etc, bring wisdom to the simple, etc, and to present them with a choice and/or but allowing them to choose, etc, then I think that is a very good place to be, etc...

Be Blessed.

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

If those are your true motivations or goals, or what is truly in your heart as you do so, etc, cause divisions to eventually bring together, etc, bring wisdom to the simple, etc, and to present them with a choice and/or but allowing them to choose, etc, then I think that is a very good place to be, etc...

Be Blessed.

God Bless!

And it is most certainly my belief that the Word of God is absolutely vital/essential to knowing how to do this, and knowing how to do it right, etc...

Or at least having God do it for you/through you/by you right, etc...

Be Blessed.

God Bless!

 

[Larniavc]

And what is self-evident here, is that no amount of chemical reactions can ever become self-aware,

That’s not self evident. That’s where all life ultimately came from.

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1007518

 

[Bradskii]

It's coming from inside your country!!

He might be a friend of Gottservant. They'd have a lot to talk about. It would be the evolution revolution.

 

[Adrian Moir]

If those are your true motivations or goals, or what is truly in your heart as you do so, etc, cause divisions to eventually bring together, etc, bring wisdom to the simple, etc, and to present them with a choice and/or but allowing them to choose, etc, then I think that is a very good place to be, etc...

Be Blessed.

God Bless!

Thank you...etc etc

 

[Neogaia777]

Thank you...etc etc

Yeah I get pretty crazy with those sometimes, "etc", lol...

Have a good night man.

Be Blessed.

God Bless!

 

[Adrian Moir]

That’s not self evident. That’s where all life ultimately came from.

The last universal common ancestor between ancient Earth chemistry and the onset of genetics

If your rational stems from believing that chemical reactions can become self-aware without the need for genetic coding that specifies for a complete organism to be self-aware from...Then you're up the creek as far as you can paddle theoretically, because, no amount of chemical reactions can become conscious over time as it defies the law of thermodynamic entropy. Which states that an open systems disorder is constant and does not decrease over time. And a biological system is an open system by definition of the fact that all living organisms exchange energy with their surroundings, which is what defines the thermodynamic principles of the conservation of energy.
Genetic instructions were needed for life to occur in any event so the real question here is: where's the evidence that instructions can arise from nature?
Because as it stands, the only method by way of example which can bring instructions into existence is by creativity, and there is no other method.


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$10 million prize competition
Evolution 2.0 Prize: The Problem
Their mission is to discover, develop and commercialise core principles of nature which give rise to information, consciousness and intelligence. Natural Code LLC will pay the researcher $100,000 for the initial discovery of such a code. - Radio idea.com


HeroX.com
Evolution 2.0 $10 million USD prize competition
Challenge Overview
What is the Secret of Life?
Solve the #1 Question in all of Science

Origin of Life is the hardest question in science. No one knows how the first cell came about. But there’s a simpler, more fundamental question: Where did the information come from? An answer will trigger a quantum leap in Artificial Intelligence. This may be as big as the transistor or the discovery of DNA itself. A new $10 million prize seeks a definitive answer.

"Evolution 2.0 is a sign of a shifting emphasis in biology from regarding
life primarily as a chemical system, to looking at the flow of information."
-Financial Times Science Editor Clive Cookson

What You Must Do to Win The Prize
You must arrange for a digital communication system to emerge or self-evolve without "cheating." The diagram below describes the system. Without explicitly designing the system, your experiment must generate an encoder that sends digital code to a decoder. Your system needs to transmit at least five bits of information. (In other words it has to be able to represent 32 states. The genetic code supports 64.)

 

[Adrian Moir]

Yeah I get pretty crazy with those sometimes, "etc", lol...

Have a good night man.

Be Blessed.

God Bless!

You too. And Merry Christmas.

 

[Adrian Moir]

He might be a friend of Gottservant. They'd have a lot to talk about. It would be the evolution revolution.

In Private Property and Communism (1845), Karl Marx said that "Communism begins from the outset with atheism." -Wikipedia Encyclopedia

The Guadian
Ukraine bans Soviet symbols and criminalises sympathy for communism
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New laws also honour controversialist nationalist groups that committed ethnic cleansing or allied with the Nazis for part of second world war.

Two new laws that ban communist symbols while honouring nationalist groups that collaborated with the Nazis have come into effect in Ukraine, raising concerns that Kiev could be stifling free speech and further fragmenting the war-torn country in the rush to break ties with its Soviet past.
The first law “on the condemnation of the communist and Nazi totalitarian regimes” forbids both Soviet and Nazi symbols, making something as trivial as selling a USSR souvenir, or singing the Soviet national hymn or the Internationale, punishable by up to five years in prison for an individual and up to 10 years in prison for members of an organisation.

It also makes it a criminal offence to deny the “criminal character of the communist totalitarian regime of 1917-1991 in Ukraine” in the media or elsewhere.
The second law recognises controversial nationalist groups – including the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) – as “independence fighters” and makes it a criminal offence to question the legitimacy of their actions. While these two groups at different times fought both Soviet and German forces, they also collaborated with the Nazis and took part in ethnic cleansing. One of the authors of the law is the son of UPA leader Roman Shukhevych.

Supporters of the laws say they are a way to build a national identity and condemn totalitarianism, but the legislation has been roundly condemned by academics and human rights organisations, as well as Ukrainian activists. While other eastern European countries have also banned communist symbols, Ukraine’s law is more wide-reaching than previous measures.

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Wikipedia
As a revolutionary, Vladimir Lenin said that a true communist would always promote atheism and combat religion, because it is the psychological opiate that robs people of their human agency, of their volition, as men and women, to control their own reality.

Scientific Atheism - Wikipedia
Scientific atheism may refer to: Marxist–Leninist atheism, a Communist doctrine and philosophical science formerly promoted in the Eastern Bloc. New Atheism, a 21st-century atheist movement.

Dictionary
Definitions by Oxford Languages
scientism
/ˈsʌɪəntɪz(ə)m/
noun
1.
thought or expression regarded as characteristic of scientists.
"excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques".

What is scientism in religion?
Scientism claims that religious discourse is bankrupt because (i) reality is exhausted by that which can be known by scientific means and so is reducible to purely natural terms, and (ii) religious belief entails commitments to things that cannot in principle be known by scientific means or reduced to purely natural.

What is the concept of scientism?
Definition of scientism
1 : methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to the natural scientist. 2 : an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities). - Miriam Webster's Dictionary

What's the problem with scientism?
The Curse of Scientism
Not only is current scientific knowledge treated as gospel, but non-scientific knowledge is considered oxymoronic. At best, this means that we can never verify any knowledge that could not be verified through scientific methods. - The Calais Advertiser (since 1836)

What are the claims of pseudoscience?
Scientific claims that do not confer any predictive power are considered at best "conjectures", or at worst "pseudoscience" (e.g., ignoratio elenchi). Assertion that claims which have not been proven false must therefore be true, and vice versa (See: Argument from ignorance).

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The Washington Post
Lessons from a century of communism
November 7 2017 is the 100th anniversary of the Bolshevik seizure of power, which led to the establishment of a communist regime in Russia and eventually in many other nations around the world. It is an appropriate time to remember the vast tide of oppression, tyranny, and mass murder that communist regimes unleashed upon the world. While historians and others have documented numerous communist atrocities, much of the public remains unaware of their enormous scale. It is also a good time to consider what lessons we can learn from this horrendous history.

A Record of Mass Murder and Oppression.

Collectively, communist states killed as many as 100 million people, more than all other repressive regimes combined during the same time period. By far the biggest toll arose from communist efforts to collectivize agriculture and eliminate independent property-owning peasants. In China alone, Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward led to a man-made famine in which as many as 45 million people perished – the single biggest episode of mass murder in all of world history. In the Soviet Union, Joseph Stalin’s collectivization – which served as a model for similar efforts in China and elsewhere – took some 6 to 10 million lives. Mass famines occurred in many other communist regimes, ranging from North Korea to Ethiopia. In each of these cases, communist rulers were well aware that their policies were causing mass death, and in each they persisted nonetheless, often because they considered the extermination of “Kulak” peasants a feature rather than a bug.

While collectivization was the single biggest killer, communist regimes also engaged in other forms of mass murder on an epic scale. Millions died in slave labor camps, such as the USSR’s Gulag system and its equivalents elsewhere. Many others were killed in more conventional mass executions, such as those of Stalin’s Great Purge, and the “Killing Fields” of Cambodia.

The injustices of communism were not limited to mass murder alone. Even those fortunate enough to survive still were subjected to severe repression, including violations of freedom, of speech, freedom of religion, loss of property rights, and the criminalization of ordinary economic activity. No previous tyranny sought such complete control over nearly every aspect of people’s lives.

Although the communists promised a utopian society in which the working class would enjoy unprecedented prosperity, in reality they engendered massive poverty. Wherever communist and non-communist states existed in close proximity, it was the communists who used walls and the threat of death to keep their people from fleeing to societies with greater opportunity.

 

[Bradskii]

The Guadian
Ukraine bans Soviet symbols and...

That made me smile. The Guardian was always known for the number of spelling mistakes. It was always referred to as The Grauniad in Private Eye.

'The Grauniad is a nickname for the UK national newpaper, the Guardian, because of a now ill-founded reputation for typos. The name was given to it by the satirical magazine Private Eye. Urban Dictionary: grauniad

I skipped the rest.

 

[Adrian Moir]

That made me smile. The Guardian was always known for the number of spelling mistakes. It was always referred to as The Grauniad in Private Eye.

'The Grauniad is a nickname for the UK national newpaper, the Guardian, because of a now ill-founded reputation for typos. The name was given to it by the satirical magazine Private Eye. Urban Dictionary: grauniad

I skipped the rest.

That's ok...Commy's aren't meant to be included in our society anyway. Have a nice day.


The Guardian website
The Guardian has been named newspaper of the year at the Football Supporters’ Association awards – winning the award for the eighth time.


What is the Communist Act of 1954?
The First Amendment Encyclopedia
Congress passed the Communist Control Act of 1954 (CCA) as an amendment to the McCarran Internal Security Act of 1950 “to outlaw the Communist Party, to prohibit members of Communist organizations from serving in certain representative capacities, and for other purposes.”

 

[Adrian Moir]

I skipped the rest.[/QUOTE]


@Bradskii Here's some more "meaningless" information for you. Good luck with your meaningless existence, and I hope you have a merry Christmas happy meaningless new year.

Wikipedia Encyclopedia
Human, All Too Human: A Book for Free Spirits (German: Menschliches, Allzumenschliches: Ein Buch für freie Geister) is a book by 19th-century philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, originally published in 1878. A second part, Assorted Opinions and Maxims (Vermischte Meinungen und Sprüche), was published in 1879, and a third part, The Wanderer and his Shadow (Der Wanderer und sein Schatten), followed in 1880.

The book is Nietzsche's first in the aphoristic style that would come to dominate his writings, discussing a variety of concepts in short paragraphs or sayings. Reflecting an admiration of Voltaire as a free thinker, but also a break in his friendship with composer Richard Wagner two years earlier, Nietzsche dedicated the original 1878 edition of Human, All Too Human 'to the memory of Voltaire on the celebration of the anniversary of his death, May 30, 1778'. Instead of a preface, the first part originally included a quotation from Descartes's Discourse on the Method. Nietzsche later republished all three parts as a two-volume edition in 1886, adding a preface to each volume, and removing the Descartes quotation as well as the dedication to Voltaire.

Who invented nihilism?
Friedrich Nietzsche
Nihilism has existed in one form or another for hundreds of years, but is usually associated with Friedrich Nietzsche, the 19th century German philosopher (and pessimist of choice for high school kids with undercuts) who proposed that existence is meaningless, moral codes worthless, and God is dead.

What is an example of nihilism?
A desire for the complete rejection of the established order or social system and religious principles is an example of nihilism. (philosophy) The doctrine that nothing actually exists or that existence or values are meaningless. The belief that all endeavours are ultimately futile and devoid of meaning.

 

[Adrian Moir]

I skipped the rest.[/QUOTE]


@Bradskii Atheism is actively trying to protect the rights of sex offenders by supporting LGBT rights, and any other abnormal sexual behavioural movement as totally normal. Because Atheism is without a moral cause from having denied morality to begin with.
So all Atheism can do is ride on the backs of minority groups to gain support for their cause as a consequence.
Because Atheism needs something "meaningful" from time to time too...Don't you agree?

What is a nihilistic society?
nihilistic Add to list Share. A nihilistic person believes that life is meaningless. ... Being nihilistic is also closely related to the political philosophy of anarchism, a belief that all social structures need to be destroyed before a new, better society can be developed.

What caused the collapse of the Soviet Union essay?
The defeat of money caused the Soviet Union to fall apart. Gorbachev's reforms affected society greatly. He aimed towards two type of reforms, political and economic. The economic reforms were set to improve efficiency of the economy.

What policy did Lenin create?
Lenin characterized the NEP in 1922 as an economic system that would include "a free market and capitalism, both subject to state control," while socialized state enterprises would operate on "a profit basis."

What are the basic rights of workers?
freedom of association and the effective recognition of the right to collective bargaining; elimination of all forms of forced or compulsory labor; effective abolition of child labor; and. elimination of discrimination in respect of employment and occupation.

 

[Matt5]

Throughout time humanity has divided itself based on land disputes as well as disputes over which laws are fair, and which laws are not fair. Historically, the fairest systems of law have not only included collective distributions to the poor, but also rights for the poor in order that their cause should be heard, which is the sole basis for case law (common law).

The most unfair systems in history have been empires with imperial ambitions to rule and govern people as a whole, leaving little or no room for the cause of the poor to be heard and understood from their hardships. An imperial rule is no different to a fascism historically, because both imperial rule and government dictatorships rely on covet means to expand their interests abroad to include foreign territories for resources, and direct taxation of the inhabitants to fund imperial ambitions.

The best way to describe the differences between these two systems of rule is to imagine a straight line with a 100% margin at the left end of the line, and a 0% margin at the far right of the line. The far left represents total government, which is defined as a fascism because of its totalitarian authority.
The far right on the other hand is distinguished by having no government, which is defined as anarchy, because there is no system of law in place.

Between these two scopes there is a wide margin between anarchy and fascism, with the conservative view in the middle. The conservative view includes a system of law from the government that protects the people's right to life and liberty.
A democratic republic is defined as a conservative system, because the democracy is from the far right, while the republic is from the far left.
A constitutional system of law presides from the middle of these two extremes as being conservative, which is in the best interests of the democracy, and the republic. Because if democracy is not upheld by the republic then the government is to be defined as a fascism, and not as a democratic republic.

The declaration of independence in its second paragraph says that:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

And these words have had such a significant level of importance on human life that the declaration itself is never to be underestimated in terms of its value. Because, this is the sole basis for human equality, and without human equality, there will be no lawful premise for equal justice.

So according to the First Amendment, the human being is endowed with rights, and these rights have been defined as inalienable, meaning that a person is born with them, and they cannot be given away, and can be exercised at any time.
But what makes this different from being just a concept is due to the fact that we are all endowed with a conscience in order to understand morality, which is how we decide right from wrong.

And what is self-evident here, is that no amount of chemical reactions can ever become self-aware, which means that life is a conscious reality, and not just a physical one, which is self-explanatory.
The difference between being conscious, and having a conscience, is that the conscience is specifically for determining fact from fiction, the truth from a lie, and yes or no with. While being conscious means to be aware of your surroundings, yourself and to be breathing also, because, being conscious was initially from breath to begin with according to Genesis chapter 2.

And what all of this means is that we are all equal under the law according to our God given conscience, and not, according to one's appearance. And this is the international standard for equal rights according to article 1 from the United Nations Global Declaration of Human Rights and Equality.
The definition of what a natural person is under law, has been defined as being an individual who is endowed with the ability to reason from their conscience. So the proper legal definition of what a human is under law has been defined by the endowed conscience. Which means that without a conscience, you are not a human being, but only an animal or a thing.

An animal or thing has been legally defined as property under the law. But because slavery is unlawful, as it deprives people of their equality, it will mean that there is no legal obligation for anyone to regard them self or others as being from an animal, because an animal is without a conscience, and a conscience is required before the law in order to make a case.

What is the first liberty?
Freedom of thought (also called freedom of conscience or ideas) is the freedom of an individual to hold or consider a fact, viewpoint, or thought, independent of others' viewpoints.

What do we mean by freedom of conscience?
Freedom of conscience – sometimes called “freedom of worship” or “religious freedom” – means simply the freedom to worship in one's own way, including the right not to worship.

Psalm 41:1-3
1 Blessed is the one who considers the poor!
In the day of trouble the Lord delivers him;
2 the Lord protects him and keeps him alive;
he is called blessed in the land;
you do not give him up to the will of his enemies.
3 The Lord sustains him on his sickbed;
in his illness you restore him to full health.

You are adopting another religion - the religion of equality, aka Church of Woke. That's a big problem.

"all men are created equal"

Men are not created equal. That statement is just plain wrong.

1. Why am I not wealthy?
2. In court, consider the wealthy person versus the poor person.
3. Before the lord, doesn't he expect more from those who have more?

The Tower of Babel was really about equality - stones and bricks.

God does not allow permit bricks to be used for altars. One must use uncut stones.

 

[Bradskii]

Here's some more "meaningless" information for you. Good luck with your meaningless existence, and I hope you have a merry Christmas happy meaningless new year.

Wikipedia Encyclopedia
Human, All Too Human: A Book for Free Spirits (German: Menschliches, Allzumenschliches: Ein Buch für freie Geister) is a book by 19th-century philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, originally published in 1878. A second part, Assorted Opinions and Maxims (Vermischte Meinungen und Sprüche), was published in 1879, and a third part, The Wanderer and his Shadow (Der Wanderer und sein Schatten), followed in 1880.

The book is Nietzsche's first in the aphoristic style that would come to dominate his writings, discussing a variety of concepts in short paragraphs or sayings. Reflecting an admiration of Voltaire as a free thinker, but also a break in his friendship with composer Richard Wagner two years earlier, Nietzsche dedicated the original 1878 edition of Human, All Too Human 'to the memory of Voltaire on the celebration of the anniversary of his death, May 30, 1778'. Instead of a preface, the first part originally included a quotation from Descartes's Discourse on the Method. Nietzsche later republished all three parts as a two-volume edition in 1886, adding a preface to each volume, and removing the Descartes quotation as well as the dedication to Voltaire.

Who invented nihilism?
Friedrich Nietzsche
Nihilism has existed in one form or another for hundreds of years, but is usually associated with Friedrich Nietzsche, the 19th century German philosopher (and pessimist of choice for high school kids with undercuts) who proposed that existence is meaningless, moral codes worthless, and God is dead.

What is an example of nihilism?
A desire for the complete rejection of the established order or social system and religious principles is an example of nihilism. (philosophy) The doctrine that nothing actually exists or that existence or values are meaningless. The belief that all endeavours are ultimately futile and devoid of meaning.

I wonder if it's evolution that dooms us to a meaningless life or is it the way we are brought up. Or just maybe it's because of the influence of 19th century German philosophers. What do you think, Ade? Nature, nurture or Nietzsche?

With thanks to Stephen Fry for that comical aphorism.

 

[Bradskii]

That's ok...Commy's aren't meant to be included in our society anyway. Have a nice day.

Commy's what? Ah, it's 'Commies' I guess you meant. Luckily, you and I live in a free society that allows its members the right to form political parties as they so wish: Home - Australian Communist Party

 

[Adrian Moir]

You are adopting another religion - the religion of equality, aka Church of Woke. That's a big problem.

"all men are created equal"

Men are not created equal. That statement is just plain wrong.

1. Why am I not wealthy?
2. In court, consider the wealthy person versus the poor person.
3. Before the lord, doesn't he expect more from those who have more?

The Tower of Babel was really about equality - stones and bricks.

God does not allow permit bricks to be used for altars. One must use uncut stones.

All of mankind has been created equal and here are three reasons:
1. All have been endowed with a conscience to reason from, which is self-evident.

2. All shall be convicted from their conscience and not from their wallet, which is self-explanatory.

And 3. God is impartial with His judgements, which is why neither you nor I are no better than anyone else, whatsoever.
And this is the final reason why God will show no impartiality towards anybody who thinks their better than others all because they've denied their right to be equated as equal to a human being in the first place...Which is also a denial of the image we we're all made in as well.
And that is reason enough to say that all are equal before God... But not before each other.

God bless.

 

[Adrian Moir]

I wonder if it's evolution that dooms us to a meaningless life or is it the way we are brought up. Or just maybe it's because of the influence of 19th century German philosophers. What do you think, Ade? Nature, nurture or Nietzsche?

With thanks to Stephen Fry for that comical aphorism.

Those who believe that life is meaningless, do so because of their belief in evolution, and not because evolution is a fact of any kind. It is always natural circumstances that will be cited as justification to commit racially motivated crimes in the name of Darwinism by Atheists because of scientific racism.
And because the irrational belief that man derived from a human animal hierarchy is the basis for scientific racism, it will mean that evolution is a race based science and not a practical science. Which is why scientific racism is a pseudoscience according to:

-The Linnean Society's website on scientific racism.
-The Unite states holocaust memorial museum website on Nazi racial science.
-And not to mention the encyclopedia as well.
So we know why radical Atheism commits mass killings in the name of communism and we know what the rational is for it as well...which happens to be anti-theist Nihilism.

But because Nihilism is the denial of morality and morality is the basis for law, it will mean that Nihilism cannot have protection under the law. Because international law protects freedom of conscience, and not the freedom to deny morality before the law.

Dictionary
evolution
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the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
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believe
/bɪˈliːv/
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verb: believe; 3rd person present: believes; past tense: believed; past participle: believed; gerund or present participle: believing
1.
accept that (something) is true, especially without proof.
"the superintendent believed Lancaster's story"