Is Homosexuality Wrong from a non Biblical perspective?

[Wickwoman]

Since its all moot, case closed.

I'm sorry if I offended you.

 

[Torchwood]

The real main reason the goverment is against same sex marriage has nothing to do with morals or religion. They do not want to pay social security benefits to an even larger amount of people.

 

[MQTA]

I think folks should have to take a test before they have kids!

is that because they test you for the next 18 years?

 

[vossler]

I'm sorry if I offended you.

No offense taken. Just saw any future discussion as pointless.

 

[Wickwoman]

is that because they test you for the next 18 years?

Yeah. Procreation ain't rocket science. But raising younguns, now that's a trial. Or so I hear. My son, Max doesn't give me any trouble, though. That's him in the picture next to me.

 

[Exegete12]

So is masturbation wrong?

You are off the topic. But there is a forum poll on that, go and view that.

 

[Exegete12]

Plain and simple, of course it is wrong, it is against nature. It doesn't make psychological sense. Even King Solomon or David (little unsure) said "there are three things that are too amazing for me, four that I do not understand... the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a snake on the rock, the way of a ship on the high seas, and the way of a man with a woman." (Prov 30: 18, 19)

 

[Exegete12]

The real main reason the goverment is against same sex marriage has nothing to do with morals or religion. They do not want to pay social security benefits to an even larger amount of people.

There are some countries that have now implemented it, and in Holland they have found a loop hole in the law, which allows them to commit polygamy – that's for both sexes too, not just male. A man and his wife allowed under a civil ceremony her to marry her gay lady. He didn't object. Hey under the civil law you can marry as many people as you like, so long as they agree. .... It's gonna cause problems.

 

[MewtwoX]

Plain and simple, of course it is wrong, it is against nature. It doesn't make psychological sense. Even King Solomon or David (little unsure) said "there are three things that are too amazing for me, four that I do not understand... the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a snake on the rock, the way of a ship on the high seas, and the way of a man with a maid." (Prov 30: 18, 19)

This is pretty much Natural Fallacy, with a Bible quote when non-Bible evidence was required.

How does it not make psychological sense?

 

[MewtwoX]

There are some countries that have now implemented it, and in Holland they have found a loop hole in the law, which allows them to commit polygamy – that's for both sexes too, not just male. A man and his wife allowed under a civil ceremony her to marry her gay lady. He didn't object. Hey under the civil law you can marry as many people as you like, so long as they agree. .... It's gonna cause problems.

Then when they make legislation this time around, they need to make it clear that its between two consenting people.

Unless they can provide sound argument to include polygamy.

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

I am not sure it is wrong any more from a bible view. I might be wrong but does it even touch on the subject in the new testiment?

Yes

Read Romans 1:26-32

 

[Mystman]

There are some countries that have now implemented it, and in Holland they have found a loop hole in the law, which allows them to commit polygamy – that's for both sexes too, not just male. A man and his wife allowed under a civil ceremony her to marry her gay lady. He didn't object. Hey under the civil law you can marry as many people as you like, so long as they agree. .... It's gonna cause problems.

while we are on the topic: if 3 people love each other all so much that they want to get married.. why shouldn't they be allowed to?

 

[Mystman]

Plain and simple, of course it is wrong, it is against nature. It doesn't make psychological sense.

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Right. Considering that was your only argument: mind explaining what the argument means?

 

[Mystman]

As for "it is against nature"..

...so is wearing clothes.
So is drinking coffee
So is baking meat.
So is building skyscrapers
So is flying
So is drilling for oil
So is eating medicines
So is cremating your dead
So is burying your dead for that matter
So is basing your life on a book.
So is....

I could go on for a while.

 

[urbanxy]

Plain and simple, of course it is wrong, it is against nature. It doesn't make psychological sense. Even King Solomon or David (little unsure) said "there are three things that are too amazing for me, four that I do not understand... the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a snake on the rock, the way of a ship on the high seas, and the way of a man with a maid." (Prov 30: 18, 19)

What exactly does this mean "against nature"? That phrase always makes me think of defying gravity or walking through walls. Most, I think, who employ this phrase mean "that which does not produce offspring". Is this correct? Also, how doesn't homosexuality make "psychological sense"??

 

[Exegete12]

What exactly does this mean "against nature"? That phrase always makes me think of defying gravity or walking through walls. Most, I think, who employ this phrase mean "that which does not produce offspring". Is this correct? Also, how doesn't homosexuality make "psychological sense"??

Opposites attract. Male and female are opposites. Negative magnet attracts a positive magnet. That's the natural law of nature, so too with human beings, there is a natural law.

 

[Mystman]

Opposites attract. Male and female are opposites. Negative magnet attracts a positive magnet. That's the natural law of nature, so too with human beings, there is a natural law.

Ah.. so whenever something happens with mankind that doesn't happen in nature, it's "wrong". ?

 

[Exegete12]

Ah.. so whenever something happens with mankind that doesn't happen in nature, it's "wrong". ?

I don't quite get what you mean. But even nature is out of whack, we just have to look at the weather.

 

[Mystman]

" Opposites attract. Male and female are opposites. Negative magnet attracts a positive magnet. That's the natural law of nature, so too with human beings, there is a natural law. "

That was your argument for homosexuality being wrong. Homosexuality breaks this "natural law of nature", and because of that, you find homosexuality wrong.

The problem is, "natural law of nature" has been a bit ill defined. You could call all kind of things natural laws of nature, because in nature, the cause can only have one effect. For example:

"if you jump up, you will immediatly fall to the ground"

Flying, spacetravel, etc, all break this law. Are they wrong?

"If you get cancer, you die quite soon afterwards."

Curing cancer breaks this law. Is it wrong?

I could make up a small bible full of other examples, that could all be called "natural laws of nature", depening on how you define a natural law of nature.

 

[mallowpuff]

"if you jump up, you will immediatly fall to the ground"

Yep, that's the law of gravity -- no it's not wrong but the consequences can sure hurt.

Flying, spacetravel, etc, all break this law. Are they wrong?

No another law supersedes it -- it's called the law of aerodynamics. So the law isn't broken.


Mystman: Talking about laws, there are spiritual laws to consider as well as these physical laws. Have you thought on that?