Is homosexuality an Abomination before the Lord?

[Father Rick]

I don't think they've won at all.......Chrisitans will never accept it, even if one tries to make it "legal" on paperwork.......that's the difference.........for any Christian just to accept these sins because its "okay" on paper...well.....they better check themselves
I don't see people who commit the sins you listed above having parades and flaunting their sin...........

I was speaking of the legal/political arena... not whether their sin will be deemed acceptable in light of scripture.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I was speaking of the legal/political arena... not whether their sin will be deemed acceptable in light of scripture.

And so was I
It doesn't matter what they say, they can try to make things "legal" al they want. as long as we continue to pray and hold fast to God's word on the matter......that's all I need...........no man will change my mind on it......God trumps it every time

 

[Father Rick]

people are not 'born gay'... I'd also make a note that statistics show that a high number of homosexuals come from broken homes; various forms of disfunctionality.

I agree that one's environment can definitely affect one's choices. However, while statistics do show that a high number of homosexuals come from broken homes... there are also a high number of homosexual who come from Christian homes.

We ARE all born with a sin nature, prone to sin, but not born "GAY" anymore than someone is BORN an adulterer or liar or extortioner, or murderer, etc.

Romans 1 bears repeating:
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
(KJV):For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

You're taking one verse out of a chapter out of context.

Yes, it does say that homosexuality is unnatural. It also goes on to address "[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: "[/FONT]

The context of the passage there shows that "backbiting", "being disobedient to parents," etc. is a result of not having "natural affection". These sins are the result of being "unnatural" as well...[/FONT]

If God "made" them gay, then they should not be penalized for being made to lust after the same sex.
But we do all have original sin natures which causes us to sin. Some are more prone to others - but it doesn't make them "born" that way.

You're missing the distinction between temptation and sin.

No one is penalized for being tempted... yet, if one chooses to allow that temptation to bear fruit in lust (gay or straight) then that person has chosen to sin, and is held accountable for their sin.

Being attacted to someone isn't sin... it's only sin if one allows that attraction to develop into lust.

(there's something to also be said for generational curses which I believe still operate today thru family lines)

You do realize that this last statement contradicts everything you've said so far...

 

[Epiphanygirl]

People can argue all they want pointing out other sins to justify theirs..........still doesn't make it right.........I would love to see someone try to argue this at God's feet and see what He says.........wouldn't be pretty

 

[Father Rick]

People can argue all they want pointing out other sins to justify theirs..........still doesn't make it right.........I would love to see someone try to argue this at God's feet and see what He says.........wouldn't be pretty

I don't think anyone is seeking to justify sin...

rather just point out that we shouldn't allow Satan to trick Christians into getting tunnel vision on only one area of sin.

If we become overly focused on just one are, then one of a couple things happens, either:

a) we compare ourselves against those who are "such sinners" and thereby don't think our sins are such a big deal...

b) become proud, because we don't have to struggle with that particular sin.

c) become harsh/condemning (rather than reconciling) to those who do struggle in a particular area because that's the "unpopular" sin everyone is targetting

d) some combination of the above.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I don't think anyone is seeking to justify sin...

rather just point out that we shouldn't allow Satan to trick Christians into getting tunnel vision on only one area of sin.

If we become overly focused on just one are, then one of a couple things happens, either:

a) we compare ourselves against those who are "such sinners" and thereby don't think our sins are such a big deal...

b) become proud, because we don't have to struggle with that particular sin.

c) become harsh/condemning (rather than reconciling) to those who do struggle in a particular area because that's the "unpopular" sin everyone is targetting

d) some combination of the above.

I don't think anyone here has tunnel vision at all...........the topic of the thread is what it is about that's why we are focusing on it

 

[BAFRIEND]

I don't think anyone is seeking to justify sin...

rather just point out that we shouldn't allow Satan to trick Christians into getting tunnel vision on only one area of sin.

If we become overly focused on just one are, then one of a couple things happens, either:

a) we compare ourselves against those who are "such sinners" and thereby don't think our sins are such a big deal...

b) become proud, because we don't have to struggle with that particular sin.

c) become harsh/condemning (rather than reconciling) to those who do struggle in a particular area because that's the "unpopular" sin everyone is targetting

d) some combination of the above.

So, Christians are tricking themselves or being tricked by satan if we do not accept the gaylifestyle with charity ?

Maybe we should just ignore abortion because that is just a trick to get us to ignore the issue of the Holocaust.

 

[Criada]

So, Christians are tricking themselves or being tricked by satan if we do not accept the gaylifestyle with charity ?

Maybe we should just ignore abortion because that is just a trick to get us to ignore the issue of the Holocaust.

Am seriously struggling with the logic here!

Did you read the post? Because I don't see anything about accepting sin....

 

[Time2BCounted]

I don't think anyone is seeking to justify sin...

rather just point out that we shouldn't allow Satan to trick Christians into getting tunnel vision on only one area of sin.

If we become overly focused on just one are, then one of a couple things happens, either:

a) we compare ourselves against those who are "such sinners" and thereby don't think our sins are such a big deal...

b) become proud, because we don't have to struggle with that particular sin.

c) become harsh/condemning (rather than reconciling) to those who do struggle in a particular area because that's the "unpopular" sin everyone is targetting

d) some combination of the above.

I frankly disagree with your estimation... I believe the opposite is true and that satan fools the church into a laodicean mode, not caring about much of anything... God's children arent just baptized with the Holy Spirit, we are baptized with a righteous cleansing fire as well, which is the antithesis of a laodicean (dont look or care about the real issues) mindset

 

[desmalia]

I don't think anyone here has tunnel vision at all...........the topic of the thread is what it is about that's why we are focusing on it

Exactly. Unfortunately a few always seem to assume this of anyone who speaks boldly against homosexual sin. The problem is that the question in the OP is kept simple (for a reason). And people have been answering the question. Simple as that. Yes it's an abomination before the Lord. Period. The OP question does not ask how we as believers should react to that sin either in the church or in the world. Nor does not ask if we consider homosexual sin to be worse than any other sin, etc. etc. Unless we get into those particulars, I think it's really jumping the gun to assume that anyone who takes a stand against it must also be judgmental, hypocritical, or overly focused on condemning a particular group of people for a particular sin.

 

[WolfBitnGodSmittn]

Amen Des
God never took a soft stand against abominations and if we take a differant stand we are not properly representing Him imho

 

[Father Rick]

So, Christians are tricking themselves or being tricked by satan if we do not accept the gaylifestyle with charity ?

Maybe we should just ignore abortion because that is just a trick to get us to ignore the issue of the Holocaust.

Why do you insist on twisting my words...

I have already said quite bluntly that homosexuality is sin.

I'm simply saying that if we focus on one area of sin to the neglect of others-- thereby allowing those others to slip into our lives-- then we have been deceived. We may have taken a great stand against one area-- but the end result is still having sin in our lives, just not in the area we are railing against.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Why do you insist on twisting my words...

I have already said quite bluntly that homosexuality is sin.

I'm simply saying that if we focus on one area of sin to the neglect of others-- thereby allowing those others to slip into our lives-- then we have been deceived. We may have taken a great stand against one area-- but the end result is still having sin in our lives, just not in the area we are railing against.

Are you saying then we should not lift a voice against homosexuality? Sounds like this is what you are saying, to me anyway, and i would have to heartily disagree. Is there any abomination we shouldnt rail against?

What is your definition of an abomination as compared with all sin?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Why do you insist on twisting my words...

I have already said quite bluntly that homosexuality is sin.

I'm simply saying that if we focus on one area of sin to the neglect of others-- thereby allowing those others to slip into our lives-- then we have been deceived. We may have taken a great stand against one area-- but the end result is still having sin in our lives, just not in the area we are railing against.

I do not believe I was twisting your words. Just a response to the blanket claim that the only concerns over sin those who disagree with you on this issue are guilty of hypocracy and tunnel vision.

 

[Nadiine]

Homosexuality is a hot topic in society today mainly becuz of the promotion by the world to make it a normal relationship and legalize gay marriages; redefining the definition of a family.

This wasn't an issue for the church like it is today due to people pushing the acceptance of it.
Whatever society is pushing is what the church should be fighting and working against.

Let's remember, that one "christian" denomination has already brought practicing gay clergy into the church and marries homosexual couples... it is very relevant today.
It may not be any worse a sin as others, but it's a current issue in our culture today that should be addressed.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Lets examine this from a differant point of view for a moment...

ARE there sins worse than others?

Lets ask this:

a) Is murder worse than stealing bread to feed a family, are are they the same in God's eyes?

b) Is child molestation worse than telling a judge you werent aware you were speeding when in fact you were?

c) Did God institute varying forms and levels of punishment for various crimes?

d) What were the ot crimes that brought with them the death penalty?

e) Where did homosexuaality rank in all this?


Jesus Himself told pilot that the sins of those who delivered Him to Pilot were greater than those of Pilot.

Should we ever excuse homosexuality?

When the subject is thrown into the face of the world because major churches and denoms are ordaining homosexuals, are we ever wrong for speaking out against it, or are we neglecting our duties if we remain silent?

 

[Father Rick]

Are you saying then we should not lift a voice against homosexuality? Sounds like this is what you are saying, to me anyway, and i would have to heartily disagree. Is there any abomination we shouldnt rail against?

What is your definition of an abomination as compared with all sin?

Actually, since scripture says "wickedness is an abomination"... all sin would be scriptural classified as an abomination.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Actually, since scripture says "wickedness is an abomination"... all sin would be scriptural classified as an abomination.

So do you disagree with me when i say some sins are greater and some lesser than others?

 

[Father Rick]

To me the issue is this..

Homosexuality is currently one of the "politically correct" (or maybe better worded "Christianly Correct") sins to be against.

If you step back and look objectively at how the Church has been involved in various moral/political issues, even over the past century, you see that about every 10-20 years there is a new "hot topic" that everyone's upset about. Then, that fad passes, and there's a new 'cause' that everyone is in an uproar about. At different times it has been prohibition, abortion, bigamy... and now the current "hot topic" is homosexuality.

The truth of the matter is that people have been committing sin of all kinds the entire time. And all sin is just as wrong, whether it's the one being focused on or not. But when was the last time you saw a church group lined up to protest an all-you-can-eat buffet? Gluttony is sin, is it not? It's just not as "sensational" a sin. I always find it amazing to me that an overweight minister will be in the pulpit preaching about the sin of homosexuality (or whatever the hot topic may be that week)-- and wonder if he realizes he is in just as much sin.

I'm not saying that we should be "soft" on sin... in fact, if you read my posts here, I've actually been harder on sin than most. I'm just saying we need to recognize all sin for what it is and not just pick and choose one or two to make a fuss over.

 

[Time2BCounted]

To me the issue is this..

Homosexuality is currently one of the "politically correct" (or maybe better worded "Christianly Correct") sins to be against.

If you step back and look objectively at how the Church has been involved in various moral/political issues, even over the past century, you see that about every 10-20 years there is a new "hot topic" that everyone's upset about. Then, that fad passes, and there's a new 'cause' that everyone is in an uproar about. At different times it has been prohibition, abortion, bigamy... and now the current "hot topic" is homosexuality.

The truth of the matter is that people have been committing sin of all kinds the entire time. And all sin is just as wrong, whether it's the one being focused on or not. But when was the last time you saw a church group lined up to protest an all-you-can-eat buffet? Gluttony is sin, is it not? It's just not as "sensational" a sin. I always find it amazing to me that an overweight minister will be in the pulpit preaching about the sin of homosexuality (or whatever the hot topic may be that week)-- and wonder if he realizes he is in just as much sin.

I'm not saying that we should be "soft" on sin... in fact, if you read my posts here, I've actually been harder on sin than most. I'm just saying we need to recognize all sin for what it is and not just pick and choose one or two to make a fuss over.

It seems you are sidestepping a bit Rick.

I dont see whether you are agreeing or disagreeing with me when i say some sins are greater than others, nor do i see an answer to the question of whether we should be quiet about the fact the church is ordaining homosexual clergy, or if we are negligent in being quiet about these things?

Would you mind telling me where you stand on these points, because we seem to be in disagreement, and i just want to clarify where we are