Is God still creating today?

[Assyrian]

I am trying to understand WHAT does He create today. Can you give me an example?

How many more examples do you need?

If the stock market is going to crash the next Thursday, Would it be a creation He might do? If so, why do you call it a "creation"?

Would it be a calamity?
Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.
If it counts as calamity, though the verse does not mean every calamity is a creation of God. Could be though, especially if it was a judgement of God.

 

[LightSeaker]

Why would God want to create continuously rather than just creates once and let everything maintained on themselves?

I think it's more that God, being God the Creator, is not able to not create. Creating is part of His nature.

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[LightSeaker]

Is my happiness His creation?

Often, when I see God's hand at what He has created, a great uplifting of love for God and His wonderful magnificence swells up in my heart and soul and I do become very, VERY happy.

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[LightSeaker]

A continuous and ceaseless creation does not make sense to me.

It makes perfect sence to me, mainly because we have a perfect God of Creation.

Creation is a wonderful action. It must NOT happen on everything repeatedly all the time.

God is a being with out ends. I see Creation, being that it is directly from God, also with out ends.

Unless you do think that God is a 24-hrs/day creating machine, then you will face a problem: what is His new creation and what is His earlier creation? Then, what is your criteria of telling the difference.

We don't know the future. But we can see part of the past in geology studies of the earth and in the fosil record. The window of evolution is giving us another view of how God creates continously.

By the way, can you see it is a big big problem for the TE doctrine?

Funny, I don't see God as Creator as being a doctrine. That's because His Creating aspect is what I experience in God when I'm aware of His presence.

I'd say that even our own human ability to create is a direct connection to God's own on-going creating continously. In other words, with out God creating continously, human beings could not create. There are an infinate number of ways in which God creates.

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[juvenissun]

I would say everything that is different between today and yesterday.

Perhaps you have too narrow a view of creation- what do you think creation (verb) is?

Creation makes feature or object that is fundamentally new and does not exist before the creation. Creation is not recycling and is not re-organizing or re-combination.

So, I think God rarely creates today.

 

[juvenissun]

How many more examples do you need?


Would it be a calamity?
Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things.
If it counts as calamity, though the verse does not mean every calamity is a creation of God. Could be though, especially if it was a judgement of God.

I know examples you gave, but I don't agree.
Angels are described doing many things in the Bible. Make things happen IS NOT creation. Otherwise, I can create too.

 

[juvenissun]

It makes perfect sence to me, mainly because we have a perfect God of Creation.

God is a being with out ends. I see Creation, being that it is directly from God, also with out ends.

We don't know the future. But we can see part of the past in geology studies of the earth and in the fosil record. The window of evolution is giving us another view of how God creates continously.

Funny, I don't see God as Creator as being a doctrine. That's because His Creating aspect is what I experience in God when I'm aware of His presence.

I'd say that even our own human ability to create is a direct connection to God's own on-going creating continously. In other words, with out God creating continously, human beings could not create. There are an infinate number of ways in which God creates.

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Useless argument. We are talking about different thing. Your creation is not my creation.

 

[LightSeaker]

Useless argument. We are talking about different thing. Your creation is not my creation.

There's more than one creation?

And...I'm not arguing for anything. I don't care what you believe. All I'm bring up is my own relationship with God when I see Him in nature. That's all. As such, what' useless to you I've finding very useful.

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[LightSeaker]

Otherwise, I can create too.

Actually...it's God creating through you.

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[Assyrian]

I know examples you gave, but I don't agree.

You don't agree with what? That the things the bible describes as God creating qualify as creation? Or that you should change you opinion of what Creation means to try to fit what the bible says about it?

Angels are described doing many things in the Bible. Make things happen IS NOT creation. Otherwise, I can create too.

I am sure Mr and Mrs Smith had a hand in making the Smith too. It really isn't relevant what angels can or cannot do, the issue is what the bible considers God's acts of creation.

I think where you are coming from is that the word creation is only used to describe God's work. So you think it must be reserved for events only God can do. The problem is the bible describes a whole load of events that have very natural causes, like young Smith there or your puppy, or the wind blowing outside, as God creating. So it can't be the type of event that is uniquely creation, perhaps creation describes God's role in the event, working in and through the natural causes that are his handiwork to start with.

 

[ebia]

Creation makes feature or object that is fundamentally new and does not exist before the creation. Creation is not recycling and is not re-organizing or re-combination.

So, I think God rarely creates today.

Then (a) I think we are working from completely different definitions of creation and (b) your definition only happens at the first instant of creation coming to existance. Only the first phrase of the Genesis story is creation from nothing, the rest is forming what exists.

Your idea of 'creating' is so restricted as to be effectively useless.

 

[LightSeaker]

Your idea of 'creating' is so restricted as to be effectively useless.

I'm thinking the same thing. Thanks for saying it.

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[juvenissun]

Then (a) I think we are working from completely different definitions of creation and (b) your definition only happens at the first instant of creation coming to existance. Only the first phrase of the Genesis story is creation from nothing, the rest is forming what exists.

Your idea of 'creating' is so restricted as to be effectively useless.

It is useful.

1. As I repeated several times, everyone of our spirits is newly created, according to my definition. This is a continuous action of creation I can identify. May be it is the only one, before the rapture.

2. It also implies a fatal mistake of TE.

 

[juvenissun]

Then (a) I think we are working from completely different definitions of creation and (b) your definition only happens at the first instant of creation coming to existance. Only the first phrase of the Genesis story is creation from nothing, the rest is forming what exists.

Your idea of 'creating' is so restricted as to be effectively useless.

And forgive me to say that. Your definition of creation is an abusive use of the word. A better word to replace it is "make'.

For example, we do not say: "create a situation", but say: "make a situation". Because the referred situation should have happened before. Like Solomon said: there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[ebia]

It is useful.

1. As I repeated several times, everyone of our spirits is newly created, according to my definition. This is a continuous action of creation I can identify. May be it is the only one, before the rapture.

2. It also implies a fatal mistake of TE.

All I can see is someone trying to force an understanding of 'create' that they claim would create a problem - and failing.

I can't make any sense of your understanding of create regardless of TE, let alone find it in tune with scripture.

It seems to me any problem you percieve is with your understanding of creation, not with TE.

 

[ebia]

And forgive me to say that. Your definition of creation is an abusive use of the word. A better word to replace it is "make'.

For example, we do not say: "create a situation", but say: "make a situation". Because the referred situation should have happened before. Like Solomon said: there is no new thing under the sun.

Sorry, but I would and do say "create a situation" rather than "make..."

Neither people nor scripture uses the word create the way you would like and I'm not going to change to your usage to suit you.

 

[Breckmin]

All I can see is someone trying to force an understanding of 'create' that they claim would create a problem - and failing.

I blame the double meanings which often lead to over-analyzing in an
imperfect language structure... NOT just the person trying to communicate
his point.

To *make* or to *create* or to *make from nothing* or to *bring
into existence* all have their flaws in how they can be interpreted,
especially when it comes to pneumatology and NOT just tangible
matter.

I haven't read this thread yet, but I believe that much of the
disagreement can be traced back not only to definitions, but also
to assumptions based on worldviews.

 

[Breckmin]

Creation makes feature or object that is fundamentally new and does not exist before the creation. Creation is not recycling and is not re-organizing or re-combination.

New? Doesn't everything exist in God's mind "before" creation? (imperfect
in the English).

So, I think God rarely creates today.

Let's look at an induction....

IF people "create" today...in that we can create thoughts that are not
there or we can use our imaginations...etc. THEN why can't God?

Perhaps God doesn't create new thoughts because He is Omniscient, but
what is *creation* really for God? Do we know?

 

[ebia]

I blame the double meanings which often lead to over-analyzing in an
imperfect language structure... NOT just the person trying to communicate
his point.

To *make* or to *create* or to *make from nothing* or to *bring
into existence* all have their flaws in how they can be interpreted,
especially when it comes to pneumatology and NOT just tangible
matter.

I haven't read this thread yet, but I believe that much of the
disagreement can be traced back not only to definitions, but also
to assumptions based on worldviews.

::nods::

 

[juvenissun]

Sorry, but I would and do say "create a situation" rather than "make..."

Neither people nor scripture uses the word create the way you would like and I'm not going to change to your usage to suit you.

I made a suggestion to replace the word creation you use.

What would be your suggestion to replace the word creation according to me?