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Featured Is God infinitely ancient?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by DennisTate, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. Yes.....

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  2. No.....

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  3. I am not sure.... but this is an interesting question.

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  1. aiki

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    Please read more carefully. I said God does not think of Creation as infinitely valuable.

    What value we possess derives from our Creator. We are not independently valuable, or valuable apart from being made by God in His image. Without God, we have no value whatever.
     
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  2. DennisTate

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    Truly well said.........
    and I definitely agree with you!

    The last verse in Jonah indicates that God cares a lot more about cattle than we might tend to imagine........

    Jon 4:11

    And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
     
  3. DennisTate

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    That could be an important distinction.......

    Due to having campaigned for public office here in Canada four times already I
    am attempting to lay the foundation for a very different way of valuing land..... due to the
    ability of land to save and improve human lives........

    There is a saying in Judaism that he who saves one life.... saves a world......
    and I can see the logic in that.... because God saw nations plural when he looked at and dealt with his friend Abraham.......

    www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/
     
  4. DennisTate

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    Can five acres of reasonably fertile land feed, improve and even save the lives or one to five or more humans?

    Yes.... I think so.... so there is some logic for this prediction and its possible implications in a crisis that seems to be facing our neighbour America.........


    Are land prices in countryside about to rise and rise?


     
  5. Saved.By.Grace

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    God the Father: "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God" - Psalm 90:2

    God the Son: "Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are small among the clans of Judah; One will come from you to be ruler over Israel for Me. His origin is from antiquity, from eternity" - Micah 5:2

    God the Holy Spirit: "how much more will the blood of the Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to serve the living God?" - Hebrews 9:14
     
  6. DennisTate

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    Very nice......
    there is a theory out there that perhaps.......
    just perhaps.....
    the Holy Spirit / The Comforter.... may be identifiable with The Divine Feminine / G-d the Mother.......

    Perhaps..... just perhaps......
    the Ancient of Days the Father is composed of fundamental energy Super Strings.....
    and perhaps.... just perhaps.....
    The Holy Spirit may be composed of fundamental energy Super Waves.... or as Dr. Chaim Tejman terms it..... Super Energetic Matter......


    Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

     
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    Revelation 4:8 (NASB) "And the four living creatures, each one of them having six wings, are full of eyes around and within; and day and night they do not cease to say, "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is THE LORD GOD, THE ALMIGHTY, WHO WAS AND WHO IS AND WHO IS TO COME."",

    Rveleation 4:9-11 (Aramaic Bible) "And when these four beasts give glory and honor and thanks to him who sits upon the throne and to The One Living to the eternity of eternities, amen, The 24 Elders fall down in front of him who sits upon the throne and worship The Living One for the eternity of eternities, amen, and cast their crowns before the throne saying, “You are worthy, our Lord and Our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you have created all things, and by your pleasure they exist and were created.”"

    if God has not been existing/present/living since beginninglessness of time and His presence/life could not continue to endlessness of time, then there would be no promise/hope for life lasting for an eternity of eternities, of course i don't say that there is life in paradise for the soul lasting for all the time's infinity, because if there was life so long for the soul, then neither Jesus, nor John the Baptist, nor St Paul, nor any other person would be born, live, suffer and die in this world under the conditions of sin and death - in fact, billions of souls have already been born in this world...

    Blessings
     
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  8. Saved.By.Grace

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    Sounds like some very weird theories that are in the world! It is of interest that when Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit as "another Comforter", that He uses the Greek "παράκλητος" which is in the masculine gender (John 14:16, etc), and the personal pronoun, "ἐκεῖνος", which is also masculine in gender. The Greek word for "Spirit" is "πνεῦμα", which is neuter in gender, and according to the Greek grammatical rules of "attraction of gender", Jesus would have been expected to have used ""το παρακλτον", (the Comforter), and "ἐκεῖνο", both which are neuter. The fact that Jesus uses the masculine to refer to the Holy Spirit, when the neuter would have sufficed, as this would have still shown the Holy Spirit to be a Personal Being, to to further show that in the Godhead, the Three Persons are MASCULINE. Thus, the Holy Spirit according to Jesus Himself, is a masculine Person, as is the Father, and He Himself.
     
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  9. PeaceJoyLove

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    The body of flesh is a tent, a vessel/container for the spirit. What it perceives with the five sense is from a different place than spirit alive within. The flesh profits nothing. There are two minds within...our own/man and Christ. Duality within...that has great e/affect on perceiving truth. One creates an image, the other reveals the image (in truth) of who we are. One is God consciousness, the other is asleep and waking up (perceiving from where they are within the process taking place inwardly)...

    “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there! For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

    'For anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” '
     
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  10. DennisTate

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    May I quote you on this even into other forums?

    I assume I can credit this to Saved.By.Grace?

    This is interesting indeed and I am one of those strange people who likes to cover both sides of an argument......... or even prove myself wrong in a previously held theory..... .if possible.
     
  11. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Yes time is created as it is written: "In the beginning [...]"

    These first three words of Genesis prove that time is created and that before it's creation only eternity existed.
     
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  12. PeaceJoyLove

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    God exits outside the confines of time. God's Day is from darkness/night to light/morning (much like the process taking place within/journey of our soul)... before the sun, moon and stars were created on the the fourth day. Which has to do with our perception as it relates to the question asked to Adam, "Where art thou?"
     
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    That is seriously deep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When I look back at the state of ignorance that I was in in 1988.....
    I shudder to think of going back there..........
     
  14. PeaceJoyLove

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    Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    The sun to mark time as man knows it did not come until the 4th day.
    Verse 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

    Eternal (lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning) life and our perception are relative to this truth of how man sees and God.
     
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    On the other hand..... Gap Theory and the evidence for it
    implies that the sun may have been there.... but obscured by a cloud
    of ash from the war in heaven where Satan and his one third of the angels attempted
    a coup.


    NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.
     
  16. YHWH_will_uplift

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    The problem with this that time as Being counted from the beginning for Genesis 1:1 indicates the beginning of time namely the first day of the week (v.5). You confuse the first day of the year with the first day of the week:

    01 02 03 04 05 06 07
    _________01 02 03 04

    Genesis 1:1- 2:3 gives us the beginning of God's Solar Calendar
     
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    I stick to scripture and the Spirit to reveal truth...for the promise is given of the helper (spirit of truth) to reveal directly to us... The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and He will be in you.

    Scripture tells us that the plants and vegetation produced seed of their own kind before the sun was created. The duality within us and the realm from which we perceive are relative to this truth...His kingdom has no part in this world and we must become blind to 'see'...which relates to five senses seeing or spiritually from within...veil of flesh removed...we are the temple not made with human hands...

    While the sun's light failed. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.
     
  18. PeaceJoyLove

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    He has removed all confusion for He is a God of order and nothing is out place, everything exactly as it is supposed to be. He has a purpose He purposed in Himself since the beginning. In this place (of entering in) time has no meaning as it pertains to eternal truth.
    God is outside of the confines of time as man knows/sees...a day of the Lord is as a thousand years and Adam lived 930 years, falling short by 70 years to being complete in God's time...which is a truth relative to our soul journey/process taking place within. Things are not as they appear to the mind of man...

    While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
     
  19. PeaceJoyLove

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    When we measure God, we try to define and contain Him...He is infinite...

    Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure
     
  20. Saved.By.Grace

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    Hi sure, this is my own personal study. I have my website that deals with the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity, STUDIES ON THE HOLY TRINITY Blessings in Jesus, Andy
     
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