Is God infinitely ancient?

Did God exist from infinite time in the past?

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  • No.....

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  • I am not sure.... but this is an interesting question.

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Did God exist from infinite time in the past?

If so.... what was God doing?

There is a saying that "It's the economy s.....!" This question actually
has a relationship with the economy and money because...... .if.....
God existed from eternity in the past and if God..........
actually planned, engineered and choreographed an essentially infinite
number of Big Bang type events......(they might actually might have been more
like a Big Flash though)...... .then..... investing infinite time in the past in the
creation........ could make the creation infinitely valuable to God.......
but we humans are so young...... that we place relatively low value on our
lives and even less value on the lives of others...... and even less value than that
on the lives of animals, birds, fish and plants.
 

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I am not sure there is such a thing as "infinite time in the past," or an infinite time in the future for that matter.

God exists in eternity, which is outside of "time."
Time has a definite start and end. God does not.
 
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One of the reasons why I proposed the printing up of church currencies several years
ago is that I knew even then that the metaphorical Bride of Messiah, the Holy Spirit led
church of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was in a position to place a much different valuation on
each human life........ than political leaders could legitimately do.

In my area of Nova Scotia, Canada several years ago the Alpha group managed to get
five or six churches to assemble together and listen to videos of Nicky Gumble Ph. D.
and the atmosphere was so filled with the Holy Spirit of God that most of us could feel it
quite powerfully.

God wants us His people to cooperate with each other more.......
and assemble with each other more often. My wife's church is still organizing
a combined church meeting on the first Sunday of each month.




North American churches should each have their own currency!

and.......

Could God be the most emotional being in the universe????
 
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I am not sure there is such a thing as "infinite time in the past," or an infinite time in the future for that matter.

God exists in eternity, which is outside of "time."
Time has a definite start and end. God does not.

Absolutely true.......
actually I now think of TIME as an invention.........
as a device created by God to assist angels and humans to
learn over time.... .to place higher and higher and higher value
on the lives of others....... and even on our own lives.

I think of time as something of an invention like a car, or buggy for a horse,
or boat or yacht, or a plane or jet or space shuttle.........
that is designed to transport humans from point A to point B.
 
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John 16:25

"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

As of today, October 16, 2017, the best theory that I have as to a possible fulfillment of this promise...... to in the future...... speak plainly of the Father...... is near death experience accounts where somebody meets with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and reviews their lives.

If there is no life review....... an out of the body experience can be of considerably less value. A case can be presented that Matthew 4 may have taken place in an out of the body state somewhat similar to what was reported in II Corinthians 12:2-4.

Who did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus meet in Matthew chapter 4?

Satan..... the tempter!

But when a near death experience includes a Life Review..... it seems to have a very different flavour and level of maturity.

Hebrews 9:27

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Baruch Chapter 6

6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls."
(Baruch 6:6)
 
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I plead guilty......
I am a "Deplorable" supporter of President Donald J. Trump and
I am issuing an appeal to His Holiness Pope Francis himself to
consider greater and greater and greater cooperation on an issue that
is facing all 323 million Americans..... as well as President Trump.

I am hoping that this exact same challenge will be taken up by all Alpha churches.......
and expanded from this base to nearly all Christian denominations..... at least those
who do not live in fear of the Ecumenical Movement.......
as I personally did for the first two decades of my own infancy as a Christian.

Americans seem to be facing the dumping of 4.3 TRILLION USA PETRO DOLLARS
on the markets too rapidly.........
and it seems to me that the Alpha churches are in the best position of any group or groups of
people to deal with this issue.

Matthew Fox Ph. D., in his book "Coming of the Cosmic Christ" asserts that since more and more humans are being replaced by robots and technology that ART in some form.....
may be the only way to employ those humans put out of work or careers due to
advances in technology.

Pope Francis, President Trump, 4.3 Trillion Petro-Dollars and JUBILEE!

(Here is a copy of one paragraph from a personal message that I was sent over on another forum0:
"The very IDEA of associating HARD WORK, DEDICATION TO ONE'S PEOPLE AND WORKING A DEAL WITH FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS WHO GIVEN THE RIGHT DEAL AND RIGHT DIRECTIONAL FLOW OF HARD COLD AMERICAN CASH after all there the U.S. Treasury Satellite Currency location Detection Systems show about $4.3 TRILLION U.S. DOLLARS out there in the world floating around as FREE FLOATING CURRENCY when the U.S. Treasury ITSELF is LYING saying that there is only a bit over $2 Trillion out there free floating but NO!!! Those of us in the LOOP are well aware the exact total is closer to $4.3 Trillion." .......(Anonymous)
 
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Why do you think that?

I used to believe that the time was coming... .when time itself would cease........

Revelation 10:6

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"

But this verse can be taken many ways.......
and could apply to each of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus disciples, all Christians.....
in the sense that each of us is destined to be taken to a level of energy, power,
wisdom, understanding....... combined with a glorious immortal body and mind.....
that like Messiah Yeshua - Jesus our eldest brother........
we would exist outside of time itself.

At the same time that each of us gets to the place where we are no longer limited by time.....
we could have many great, great, great, great..... grandchildren who are on the earth.......
and learning much as we are learning now.


Genesis 8:22

"While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

Revelation 21:1 (KJV)

Revelation 21:10

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,


Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

......(The following verse could mean that outside of the city normal human life still continues)????


Rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."
 
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Did God exist from infinite time in the past?

If so.... what was God doing?

God created "time" as a temporary reprieve from justice.
Under the rules of Creation, if you separate from the Creator
you cease to exist. Man choose to go his seperate way and
normally, that would be death. But God created a delay
system, we call time, that delays the "wages of sin" and
gives us an opportunity to return to God Spiritually.
Every moment is a gift that should be used in appreciation.
 
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Absolutely true.......
actually I now think of TIME as an invention.........
as a device created by God to assist angels and humans to
learn over time.... .to place higher and higher and higher value
on the lives of others....... and even on our own lives.

I think of time as something of an invention like a car, or buggy for a horse,
or boat or yacht, or a plane or jet or space shuttle.........
that is designed to transport humans from point A to point B.
I look at time (in form) as an unavoidable expression of knowledge.
 
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I used to believe that the time was coming... .when time itself would cease........

Revelation 10:6

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"

But this verse can be taken many ways.......
and could apply to each of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus disciples, all Christians.....
in the sense that each of us is destined to be taken to a level of energy, power,
wisdom, understanding....... combined with a glorious immortal body and mind.....
that like Messiah Yeshua - Jesus our eldest brother........
we would exist outside of time itself.

At the same time that each of us gets to the place where we are no longer limited by time.....
we could have many great, great, great, great..... grandchildren who are on the earth.......
and learning much as we are learning now.


Genesis 8:22

"While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

Revelation 21:1 (KJV)

Revelation 21:10

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,


Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

......(The following verse could mean that outside of the city normal human life still continues)????


Rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

In the city, the tree of life bares twelve manners of fruit every month; yet I dont see the city as a literal truth, that we are waiting on (a) time to enter.

The nature of time is a relevant truth to consciousness ...
 
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God created "time" as a temporary reprieve from justice.
Under the rules of Creation, if you separate from the Creator
you cease to exist. Man choose to go his seperate way and
normally, that would be death. But God created a delay
system, we call time, that delays the "wages of sin" and
gives us an opportunity to return to God Spiritually.
Every moment is a gift that should be used in appreciation.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you don't mind if I quote you on this even in other forums?

I assume I can credit this to SkyWriting?

As you may have noticed I kind of butcher the English language and I use quotations a lot. One reason why I do this is to give readers a break from my far less than excellent grammar and spelling.
 
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In my area of Nova Scotia, Canada several years ago the Alpha group managed to get
five or six churches to assemble together and listen to videos of Nicky Gumble Ph. D.
and the atmosphere was so filled with the Holy Spirit of God that most of us could feel it
quite powerfully.

Videos can be powerful propaganda tools. But I have to say that Nicky Gumble
vids are safe to watch as they could easily be transcribed and examined carefully.
I've only watched with the sound off so far. That's a safe way to evaluate video.
 
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Wow!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you don't mind if I quote you on this even in other forums?

I assume I can credit this to SkyWriting?

As you may have noticed I kind of butcher the English language and I use quotations a lot. One reason why I do this is to give readers a break from my far less than excellent grammar and spelling.

Yes, those are my own conclusions after decades of consideration.
Coming from a science background my spiritual views are a bit
more "mechanical" than most, but everyone walks on a different
path to get to God.
 
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In the city, the tree of life bares twelve manners of fruit every month; yet I dont see the city as a literal truth, that we are waiting on (a) time to enter.

The nature of time is a relevant truth to consciousness ...

I do take the city quite literally......
and I suspect that the literal New Jerusalem will come down perhaps around the year 3030......
but I could be incorrect.....
or perhaps the city comes down but can only be viewed by those of us who are no longer mortal??????

I personally believe that during the Era of Moshiach / The Millennium...... every word from Ezekiel 40 - 48 will be fulfilled literally.........
but also metaphorically........

So I believe in a literal rebuild Jerusalem Third Temple....
and I believe in a literal river of water flowing from the temple
that restores life to the areas where it flows........
but I also believe that each Christian and Messianic Jew is also a type of the Temple and.....
by that time living water will be flowing from each of us.........

This gets so big that the least Christian will be at a higher level of wisdom, understanding, self-control, love, truth and power than John the Baptist......

I suspect that at the time that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told his disciples that the time was coming when all Christians would be greater than John the Baptist that this would shock his disciples?

Luke 7:28

"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."

Probably at the same time that this verse is fulfilled this other prediction by the Prophet Zechariah will also come to pass:


Zechariah 12:8

In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."
 
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Yes, those are my own conclusions after decades of consideration.
Coming from a science background my spiritual views are a bit
more "mechanical" than most, but everyone walks on a different
path to get to God.

Yes... indeed we do.... .I debate and argue with so many Atheists and Agnostics that I had to write up a blog in order to give my readers a summary of my own conclusions.

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
 
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Did God exist from infinite time in the past?

If so.... what was God doing?

There is a saying that "It's the economy s.....!" This question actually
has a relationship with the economy and money because...... .if.....
God existed from eternity in the past and if God..........
actually planned, engineered and choreographed an essentially infinite
number of Big Bang type events......(they might actually might have been more
like a Big Flash though)...... .then..... investing infinite time in the past in the
creation........ could make the creation infinitely valuable to God.......
but we humans are so young...... that we place relatively low value on our
lives and even less value on the lives of others...... and even less value than that
on the lives of animals, birds, fish and plants.

The moment that he hid his face to us is a birthing of what was hid.

Time in one form is a linear truth, but viewed as oneself, it is an always was truth; there being no separation from the one that it is, who alone defines it by himself.

Moses asks (in a wilderness), who should I say sent me ... it almost appears as if God never considered a name for himself ...
 
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I find the results of this poll truly encouraging indeed:

Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?

The first Intelligence began in.....

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  1. Carbon based life less than 5 billion years ago, on earth.
    3 vote(s)
    15.8%

  2. Carbon based life in outer space.
    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
  3. *
    Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.
    1 vote(s)
    5.3%

  4. This is a new question that I am only now facing.
    0 vote(s)
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  5. This question is flawed.... God had no beginning.
    12 vote(s)
    63.2%


Indeed the question is flawed becasue matter is just energy
running on particular rules from the Creator He keeps in place.

16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
 
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Indeed the question is flawed becasue matter is just energy
running on particular rules from the Creator He keeps in place.

16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

I agree... .even Lucifer / Satan was created... and the implications of that reality are
huge!


Does Darth Vader = Azazel = Zeus???

......
"Jesus paused again.

"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed 'adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony 'sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!" (Dr. Richard Eby, near-death .com)

God.... being infinitely ancient....... cares deeply for all of His created life forms but.........
Lucifer / Satan..... being relatively young.......
cared much, much, much less for others and had became obsessed with his own
goals and desires.

In a way.... the Word / Logos who incarnated as Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was
connected to the Ancient of Days the Father but Lucifer / Satan was more like
a brilliant Artificial Intelligence that we humans may soon invent.
 
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