Is god beyond existence itself

[Yulia]

According to my understanding, god is the first thing to came into existence after there is the universe(in a sense universe, but very different in rules, if there is any). Though it is unclear how this object become sentient.
However the first thing,or the actual existence, is the universe.
And I suppose souls are not so eternal for god or merely Devine beings.

 

[Eudaimonist]

According to my understanding, god is the first thing to came into existence after there is the universe(in a sense universe, but very different in rules, if there is any).

Are you talking about Christian views? I don't think that they view God as "coming into existence". They view God as having always existed.

Though it is unclear how this object become sentient.

Again, the sentience of God is supposed to have always been there. I don't think that any Christian thinks that it was ever the case that God wasn't sentient.

However the first thing,or the actual existence, is the universe.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

And I suppose souls are not so eternal for god or merely Devine beings.

I think that the view is typically that souls can exist forever, at least if God wants that.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Yulia]

The problem is, time does not exist when there is the say, primal universe. This universe barely share any physical rule ours; no time, no space, no matter, no energy.

 

[True Scotsman]

According to my understanding, god is the first thing to came into existence after there is the universe(in a sense universe, but very different in rules, if there is any). Though it is unclear how this object become sentient.
However the first thing,or the actual existence, is the universe.
And I suppose souls are not so eternal for god or merely Devine beings.

No, this is a blatant contradiction in terms.

 

[Soyeong]

According to my understanding, god is the first thing to came into existence after there is the universe(in a sense universe, but very different in rules, if there is any). Though it is unclear how this object become sentient.
However the first thing,or the actual existence, is the universe.
And I suppose souls are not so eternal for god or merely Devine beings.

If God is a product of the universe and we are also a product, then that makes God insignificant. If God can come into existence, then God can cease to exist. And if God can cease to exist, then at some point in time He will, otherwise it would make no sense to say that there is a possibility that He can cease to exist. What then?

 

[TomZzyzx]

According to my understanding, god is the first thing to came into existence after there is the universe(in a sense universe, but very different in rules, if there is any). Though it is unclear how this object become sentient.
However the first thing,or the actual existence, is the universe.
And I suppose souls are not so eternal for god or merely Devine beings.

This is absolutely false if you talking about the Christian world view.

Where did you get your understanding from? Certainly not the bible.

 

[Yulia]

Anything that exist, ever exist or can exist can cease to exist.
There ain't time back then (this is a false statement since time does not exist so there is no back back then), of course we feel like there is eternity, or object is the way there is.

If God is a product of the universe and we are also a product, then that makes God insignificant. If God can come into existence, then God can cease to exist. And if God can cease to exist, then at some point in time He will, otherwise it would make no sense to say that there is a possibility that He can cease to exist. What then?

I did not deny we are his creation. Actually, he still creates all our reality. Created or creating is pointless for existence itself. And remember that god can be describe as existing, if he actually does.

 

[Yulia]

If God is a product of the universe and we are also a product, then that makes God insignificant. If God can come into existence, then God can cease to exist. And if God can cease to exist, then at some point in time He will, otherwise it would make no sense to say that there is a possibility that He can cease to exist. What then?

At a point, everything that ever existed will no longer exist. That include soul and conscious.

 

[Soyeong]

Anything that exist, ever exist or can exist can cease to exist.
There ain't time back then (this is a false statement since time does not exist so there is no back back then), of course we feel like there is eternity, or object is the way there is.

Every everything can cease to exist, then at some point in the past everything did cease to exist, which makes it impossible to account for the fact that something exists in the present. So there must be something necessary, which never came into existence, which is impossible to not exist, which owes its existences to nothing else, and which is the cause of the universe.

I did not deny we are his creation. Actually, he still creates all our reality. Created or creating is pointless for existence itself. And remember that god can be describe as existing, if he actually does.

Either God was created by the universe or the universe created God, you can't have it both ways.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

According to my understanding, god is the first thing to came into existence after there is the universe(in a sense universe, but very different in rules, if there is any). Though it is unclear how this object become sentient.
However the first thing,or the actual existence, is the universe.
And I suppose souls are not so eternal for god or merely Devine beings.

This may be true...for an Ancient Pagan.