Is God a liar?

[BobRyan]

UnScriptural. It's a New Heaven and New Earth and NOT the same world which murdered Jesus.

1. The planet - the world did not murder Jesus.
2. Matt 5 "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"
3. Rev 11 - Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

 

[Aman777]

1. The planet - the world did not murder Jesus.
2. Matt 5 "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"

1. The people of the world murdered Jesus and we are part of this planet. Since Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood ll Peter 3:6, it would be unjust for our cosmos to remain. That is WHY God made 3 Heavens.
2. Which Earth? Adam's? The present Earth which will be burned? NO. It's the New Earth where Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us.

Jhn 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[BobRyan]

The planet does not get the blame for what people do. People get the blame.

Rev 11
18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

The earth is longing for that day.
Rom 8
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Well 2 Peter 3 says the elements on earth melt with fervent heat - that pretty much ends our atmosphere and explained "old heavens , old earth " being ended in Rev 21

Thank you for this.

 

[Meowzltov]

Really? Is it okay to change anything you don't like into symbols?

No, but it's okay to read things in the genre in which they are written.

 

[Meowzltov]

Since God's light is unique Divine light, there is no need to bring photons into the discussion.

If it's not made out of photons, then it's not light, and some other word should be used.

 

[Meowzltov]

It is the same universe - planet earth is simply getting melted down at the surface - having its atmosphere burned off - and being "redone".

I disagree. If that were the case, it really wouldn't be a new earth, but simply a redecorated earth.

 

[Aman777]

The planet does not get the blame for what people do. People get the blame.

UnScriptural, according to God.

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

God did destroy Adam's Earth but the Scoffers of the last days won't believe:

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Kosmos) that THEN WAS, (Adam's world) being overflowed with water, perished: (destroyed utterly) Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The present Cosmos/Universe, the heavens and Earth WHICH ARE NOW will also be totally destroyed in Fire.

2Pe 3:10 ¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Try again?

 

[Aman777]

No, but it's okay to read things in the genre in which they are written.

Jesus doesn't agree as the following verses show:

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

What happened to this commandment?

 

[Job8]

If it's not made out of photons, then it's not light, and some other word should be used.

Who gives you the authority to say what is light and what is not? "Photons" is merely a convenient handle for physicists. For the rest of humanity God's light is Divine light, and all other lights are "lesser lights". Had physicists said "luminitons" or illuminati" is would still make no difference.

 

[Meowzltov]

Jesus doesn't agree as the following verses show:

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

What happened to this commandment?

What does any of this have to do with reading things in their correct genre?

 

[Aman777]

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Jesus doesn't agree as the following verses show:

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

What happened to this commandment?

*** What does any of this have to do with reading things in their correct genre?

Everything, since men changed God's Holy Word into a religious opinion as God told us. That is why I asked what happened to the commandment I listed, which you did not answer.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

What man thought to change time from BC to AD and Who had the power to change one of the Ten commandments into a religious practice? Was it a man or was it God? My point is that it is a dangerous thing for men to change God's Holy Word into myth, allegory and fiction. Jesus IS Lord. Amen?

 

[JeremyTheAnglercan]

Most people who believe in a young creation don't quite grasp how science works. If you declare the majesty of God and that the heavens declare it as well then you surely believe the heavens reach for billions of light years across. If this is true you must accept that creation is billions of years old in order for us to see the light from such far away stars.

If you believe creation is a few thousand years old then God lied to us. It would literally be the largest deception possible.

 

[brotherjerry]

Most people who believe in a young creation don't quite grasp how science works. If you declare the majesty of God and that the heavens declare it as well then you surely believe the heavens reach for billions of light years across. If this is true you must accept that creation is billions of years old in order for us to see the light from such far away stars.

If you believe creation is a few thousand years old then God lied to us. It would literally be the largest deception possible.

Not saying I am completely a young earther...but the idea that God lied is silly. If you believe that God created the universe by just speaking it into existence and that the earth came to be in a matter of 6 days kinda spits in the face of the idea that just because stars are far away then the universe must be billions of years old don't ya think? I mean if God can create the sun and moon by simply saying it is so, don't you think He could have also created the light from the stars that are so far away? What is sillier...that God is the creator of all things, or that man thinks he knows more than God?

 

[JeremyTheAnglercan]

Not saying I am completely a young earther...but the idea that God lied is silly. If you believe that God created the universe by just speaking it into existence and that the earth came to be in a matter of 6 days kinda spits in the face of the idea that just because stars are far away then the universe must be billions of years old don't ya think? I mean if God can create the sun and moon by simply saying it is so, don't you think He could have also created the light from the stars that are so far away? What is sillier...that God is the creator of all things, or that man thinks he knows more than God?

I hear you. I truly believe God mere word is enough for anything to happen. BUT, we are seeing stars that are billions of light years away die. That means that the stars never actually existed and that God created the light in motion making us think that star was there but it actually wasn't.

 

[brotherjerry]

I hear you. I truly believe God mere word is enough for anything to happen. BUT, we are seeing stars that are billions of light years away die. That means that the stars never actually existed and that God created the light in motion making us think that star was there but it actually wasn't.

And the big question is... so?

 

[JeremyTheAnglercan]

And the big question is... so?

If a child tells parents he went to school when in reality he did not, then he lied. Same principle as God telling us there was a star but there never was.

 

[brotherjerry]

But the Bible only says that there were lights in the expanse does it not? I don't recall the Bible saying that there were other stars in the expanse...So if God only said there was lights in the expanse...how has God lied?

 

[JeremyTheAnglercan]

But the Bible only says that there were lights in the expanse does it not? I don't recall the Bible saying that there were other stars in the expanse...So if God only said there was lights in the expanse...how has God lied?

Because God is a God of truth. He gave us our minds in order to understand the universe and its workings, and that we may understand Him. He has given us evidence that creation is ancient. Countless places to prove the 13 billion year age of creation.

The God portrayed by a young earth is a conjurer, a purveyor of cheap tricks. I wouldn't want to worship a God who magicked the world into its current state while He tells us it's much older.

And we also need to remember that the creation account in Genesis (including Adam and Eve and the flood) is shared by almost every middle Eastern religion, current and forgotten. The people of the area had no idea how everything came into being, and so they thought up an explanation.

 

[brotherjerry]

"Cheap Tricks" Can you do it?

Don't forget God is a God of faith. And while we were given minds to understand the universe and it's workings....it is also arrogance to think we know everything.