Is Genesis history?

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Professor Gary E. Parker, ex evolutionist, exposed the radiometric dating game, and convergence.

Due to fractionation in magma chambers, where lead in the magma settles down into lower levels, when magma is released and becomes lava, the lava that becomes rock shows a big difference in age between the start of the flow, and the end of the flow.

A given magma flow is all the same lava, and all of it is the same age, but the radiometric dating age will vary widely between the beginning of the flow and the end of it.

They then start with the date they want it to have, then keep testing samples until they get one that shows the age they want, or an age they are willing to accept, and throw out the other dates.

Convergence occurs because they do the same thing with all the various dating methods, and only use the dates they want, throw out the rest, then use that as proof that radiometric dating is accurate.

And they also can take a sample of rock from the area of rock they found that tests to the date they will accept, and take that to different labs to “”confirm” the accuracy of radiometric dating

Here’s a university.edu website showing the many problems with radiometric dating, in great detail:

More Bad News for Radiometric Dating
Learning very accurate dates is extremely important to scientists, and they work with highly skilled technicians in order to maximize the accuracy of the dates determined. The dating technique known as dendrochronology is so extremely accurate that by applying the technique the precise year in which ancient battles took place can be learned, and the precise year in which early human settlements were founded can be determined. Of great concern to young earth creationist organizations is that the topography and climate of the White Mountains of California has been determined from dendrochronological studies of the Bristlecone Pine, Pinus longaeva, to have changed very little during the past 10,000 years. The young earth creationist organizations are very much aware of this fact and hate it with a burning passion because it incontrovertibly proves that the flood story in Genesis is topographically and historically incorrect. For a while, these organizations argued that trees can, in special circumstances produce two rather than one tree ring, but they soon realized that they could not explain away, even to themselves, 5,600 extra tree rings! Moreover, the extremely accurate dates obtained through the use of dendrochronology have proved that many hundreds of dates obtained from radiocarbon dating were also very accurate.

Young earth creationist organizations are also familiar with the following facts regarding the flood story in Genesis:
  • There are today about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth. If we assume a date of about 2,349 B.C. for the flood (Bishop Ussher’s date), microevolution reduces the number of “kinds” of animals that must have been aboard the ark (to account for the about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth today) to a few hundred thousand “kinds.”
  • The several thousands of “kinds” of animals, including the dinosaurs, mammoths, giant ground sloths, etc., which have become extinct must also be considered. Did they all become extinct before the flood? If not, they were, according to the account in Genesis, aboard the ark.
  • The ark, as literally described in Genesis, was much too small because the amount of water that it would be capable of displacing would weigh less than the animals on board, thus making it impossible for the ark to float.
  • The floor space on the ark was too small to hold any more than a tiny fraction of the cages that would be necessary to keep the animals in place (and from eating each other).
  • The amount of food required for the animals would weigh at least nearly as much as the animals, and would require a vast amount of storage space—not to mention refrigeration!
  • Many of the animals aboard the ark would have required specific FRESH fruits, vegetables, leaves, grass, bark, roots, etc., including fresh fruits that are produced only on MATURE plants. Therefore, these mature plants would necessarily have been kept and maintained aboard the ark, and subsequently planted in the ground after the flood.
  • Most of the genetically discrete populations of fish (including many VERY LARGE fish) would have to be taken aboard the ark and kept in tanks of water that met their very specific water chemistry needs in order to survive.
  • The weight of the water on the earth would have crushed to death any of the land plants that did not drown in the water.
  • After 150 days when the water abated, there would be no vegetation on the earth for the herbivores to eat, and no meat for the carnivores to eat, therefore a vast amount of food would necessarily have been kept aboard the ark to sustain the animals AFTER the flood.
  • The Animals could not all be released all at once or in the same place because many of them would eat each other.
  • The coming of the animals to Noah from all over the earth would have been a physical impossibility no less impossible than Santa Clause delivering presents to every boy and girl on the night before Christmas. The polar bears and penguins, not to mention all of the unique kinds of animals in Australia, would have posed more than a few special difficulties.
  • After the flood, the animals could not be returned to their original habitat because all habitats would have been destroyed by the flood.
  • Many of the necessary habitats would take 50 years or more to be reestablished and their reestablishment would have required the effort of many thousands of persons.
  • Until all the necessary habitats could be reestablished, the animals requiring these habitats would have to be kept and cared for by Noah and his family.
  • There was not enough water to cover the entire earth, and even if there was, where did it go after the flood?
  • If the reported sightings of the Ark are factual, the Ark came to rest on a VERY high mountain on VERY rugged terrain from which the large majority of the animals would not have been able to descend.
However, young earth creationist organizations have employees who are otherwise unemployable and need to pay rent, purchase food, pay their utility bills, etc.—and that money comes from the sale of young earth creationist literature, tapes, films, toys, jewelry, etc.
 
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Learning very accurate dates is extremely important to scientists, and they work with highly skilled technicians in order to maximize the accuracy of the dates determined. The dating technique known as dendrochronology is so extremely accurate that by applying the technique the precise year in which ancient battles took place can be learned, and the precise year in which early human settlements were founded can be determined. Of great concern to young earth creationist organizations is that the topography and climate of the White Mountains of California has been determined from dendrochronological studies of the Bristlecone Pine, Pinus longaeva, to have changed very little during the past 10,000 years. The young earth creationist organizations are very much aware of this fact and hate it with a burning passion because it incontrovertibly proves that the flood story in Genesis is topographically and historically incorrect. For a while, these organizations argued that trees can, in special circumstances produce two rather than one tree ring, but they soon realized that they could not explain away, even to themselves, 5,600 extra tree rings! Moreover, the extremely accurate dates obtained through the use of dendrochronology have proved that many hundreds of dates obtained from radiocarbon dating were also very accurate.

Young earth creationist organizations are also familiar with the following facts regarding the flood story in Genesis:
  • There are today about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth. If we assume a date of about 2,349 B.C. for the flood (Bishop Ussher’s date), microevolution reduces the number of “kinds” of animals that must have been aboard the ark (to account for the about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth today) to a few hundred thousand “kinds.”
  • The several thousands of “kinds” of animals, including the dinosaurs, mammoths, giant ground sloths, etc., which have become extinct must also be considered. Did they all become extinct before the flood? If not, they were, according to the account in Genesis, aboard the ark.
  • The ark, as literally described in Genesis, was much too small because the amount of water that it would be capable of displacing would weigh less than the animals on board, thus making it impossible for the ark to float.
  • The floor space on the ark was too small to hold any more than a tiny fraction of the cages that would be necessary to keep the animals in place (and from eating each other).
  • The amount of food required for the animals would weigh at least nearly as much as the animals, and would require a vast amount of storage space—not to mention refrigeration!
  • Many of the animals aboard the ark would have required specific FRESH fruits, vegetables, leaves, grass, bark, roots, etc., including fresh fruits that are produced only on MATURE plants. Therefore, these mature plants would necessarily have been kept and maintained aboard the ark, and subsequently planted in the ground after the flood.
  • Most of the genetically discrete populations of fish (including many VERY LARGE fish) would have to be taken aboard the ark and kept in tanks of water that met their very specific water chemistry needs in order to survive.
  • The weight of the water on the earth would have crushed to death any of the land plants that did not drown in the water.
  • After 150 days when the water abated, there would be no vegetation on the earth for the herbivores to eat, and no meat for the carnivores to eat, therefore a vast amount of food would necessarily have been kept aboard the ark to sustain the animals AFTER the flood.
  • The Animals could not all be released all at once or in the same place because many of them would eat each other.
  • The coming of the animals to Noah from all over the earth would have been a physical impossibility no less impossible than Santa Clause delivering presents to every boy and girl on the night before Christmas. The polar bears and penguins, not to mention all of the unique kinds of animals in Australia, would have posed more than a few special difficulties.
  • After the flood, the animals could not be returned to their original habitat because all habitats would have been destroyed by the flood.
  • Many of the necessary habitats would take 50 years or more to be reestablished and their reestablishment would have required the effort of many thousands of persons.
  • Until all the necessary habitats could be reestablished, the animals requiring these habitats would have to be kept and cared for by Noah and his family.
  • There was not enough water to cover the entire earth, and even if there was, where did it go after the flood?
  • If the reported sightings of the Ark are factual, the Ark came to rest on a VERY high mountain on VERY rugged terrain from which the large majority of the animals would not have been able to descend.
However, young earth creationist organizations have employees who are otherwise unemployable and need to pay rent, purchase food, pay their utility bills, etc.—and that money comes from the sale of young earth creationist literature, tapes, films, toys, jewelry, etc.

Most of your assertions are covered and answered in the 1,000 page book, The Genesis Flood, by Whitcomb and Morris, including the size and design of the ark and how many animal kinds would actually need to be on it, and showed that it was big enough to hold the required number, which if memory serves, was 80,000.

Ironically, Whitcomb went to Princeton.

BTW if you check, the earth is 71% covered by water - and the Bible states that God created vast post-flood basins and reservoirs in the earth, so the water covering it had somewhere to go.

I do believe some ocean trenches are 36,000 feet deep, if memory serves.

All animals have the potential for hibernation, says science. That takes care of the food storage issue.

Large animals have very small offspring in many cases. You wouldn’t take a full grown elephant, but a young one, and dinosaurs lay eggs, so their offspring are very small.

Fish live in water, and obviously it is a piece of cake for God to enable them to stay alive in the floodwater - and pre flood water was probably markedly different than the post flood earth, which has a radically different environment than today - so the assumptions about the ph levels and other conditions are irrelevant anyway,

And last time I checked, a date of ten thousand years from tree ring counting, still means a very young earth, being just a wee bit shy of 4.3 BY claimed by evolutionists.
 
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And last time I checked, a date of ten thousand years from tree ring counting, still means a very young earth, being just a wee bit shy of 4.3 BY claimed by evolutionists.

That's 10,000 excluding fossilized forests throughout the geologic succession, such as that of the fossil Grove site in the UK, and their further respective rings.
Fossil Grove - Wikipedia

This forest being exposed through quarrying activities.
 
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That's 10,000 excluding fossilized forests throughout the geologic succession, such as that of the fossil Grove site in the UK, and their further respective rings.
Fossil Grove - Wikipedia

This forest being exposed through quarrying activities.

Those will be pre- flood fossilized trees - the kind found in polystrate layers where a tree vertically goes through several layers of strata, purportedly spanning millions of years.
 
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Those will be pre- flood fossilized trees - the kind found in polystrate layers where a tree vertically goes through several layers of strata, purportedly spanning millions of years.

It can't be pre flood if it's half way up the carboniferous. Also, as seen in the Photos, it's in situ with roots in paleosols, in addition to trackways around the base of the trunk.
 
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Most of your assertions are covered and answered in the 1,000 page book, The Genesis Flood, by Whitcomb and Morris,

No, they are not!

including the size and design of the ark and how many animal kinds would actually need to be on it, and showed that it was big enough to hold the required number, which if memory serves, was 80,000.

Neither Whitcomb nor Morris had even an elementary education in biology or geology but were so obsessed with their severe and inexcusable misunderstanding of Genesis 1-11 that they went about attempting to prove that the Genesis flood actually occurred and that the ark would have been large enough to do the job. However, any school boy who has ever visited a natural history museum and learned about the thousands of huge animals that are now extinct but would necessarily have been aboard the ark knows for himself that even aircraft carriers in the Gerald R Ford Class would not be capable of displacing enough water to be able to float if fully loaded with the absolutely necessary animals on board (The Gerald R Ford is capable of displacing a mere 100,000 tons) of water).

Moreover, Neither Whitcomb nor Morris, having virtually no knowledge of biology, were aware of the amount genetic diversity that would necessarily have been aboard the ark—not in test tubes, but in real, living animals. For example, the “cat kind” is not a genus, but a family (Felidae) comprised of 14 genera. Furthermore, the claim that all modern animals in the cat kind “descended” (that is, “evolved)” from one “parent kind” is a clear-cut admission that macroevolution has been occurring since the animals boarded the ark.

About 10.8 million years ago, the cat family began to split off into 8 Lineages consisting of 2 subfamilies, 14 genera, and 41 species. (Kitchener et al. 2017. (A revised taxonomy of the Felidae). The final report of the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN / SSC Cat Specialist Group.) The relationship of these groups to each other and the relative time of their splitting off has been learned and very well documented by comparing DNA sequences of all 41 species of cats. The actual time of the splitting off is learned from fossil records which young earth creationist believe to be radically misinterpreted.

Leopards (Panthera pardus) and ocelots (Leopardus pardalis) are phenotypically similar to each other, but genotypically dissimilar to each other. This is called convergent evolution and is due to the two genetically very different species having adapted to similar environments. Leopards belong to the Panthera Lineage that includes the leopards and six other species, but ocelots belong to the Leopardus lineage that includes the ocelots and seven other species. Both of these lineages descended (evolved) from the same Felid ancestor rather than one of them from the other. Therefore, it would have been absolutely necessary for one pair of cats (cats are ‘unclean animals—Leviticus 11)) from both lineages to have been aboard the ark. Moreover, as has been proven from DNA sequences, all seven of the species in the Panthera Lineage descended (evolved) independently from each other, and therefore, it would have been absolutely necessary for a pair of cats from all seven of the species in the Panthera Lineage to have been aboard the ark. Furthermore, the same would have been true of the other seven lineages and all of their species—for a total of not just 2, but 82 cats!

All 41 species of cats are carnivores, and none of them are capable of hibernating. All 41 species of cats spray their very caustic urine all over everything that they wish to claim as their own. A male lion in captivity requires 8 pounds of food per day—that is 2,920 pounds of food that a male lion on board the ark would have needed to eat during its stay on board the ark—and its mate would have required 2,190 pounds of food. The total food requirement for the 82 cats would have been approximately 90,000 pounds of meat—90,000 pounds of meat that would have to have been fed to the cats by Noah and his family. And we are still talking about just the cats! And we have not yet gotten to their excrement!

We have today several hundred thousands of genetically discreet populations of animals that would necessarily have been aboard the ark 4,368 years ago, and during that time, thousands of genetically discreet populations of animals have become extinct, but would necessarily have been aboard the ark. DNA sequences do not lie, but Whitcomb and Morris made a habit of it!

The purpose of the research was not to prove the theory of evolution or disprove the Bible; the purpose of the research was to get accurate data that will assist biologists in the protection of the biodiversity of the cat family and the other populations of wild animals—the very purpose of the ark!

Ironically, Whitcomb went to Princeton.

Yes, but he did not study anything relative to the Genesis flood.

and the Bible states that God created vast post-flood basins and reservoirs in the earth,

No, it does not!

so the water covering it had somewhere to go.

No, it did not!

All animals have the potential for hibernation, says science.

Science does NOT say that because it is NOT true!

That takes care of the food storage issue.

No, it does not!

Large animals have very small offspring in many cases. You wouldn’t take a full grown elephant, but a young one, and dinosaurs lay eggs, so their offspring are very small.

The Hebrew text of Genesis 7 implies that all of the animals were full-grown.

Fish live in water, and obviously it is a piece of cake for God to enable them to stay alive in the floodwater - and pre flood water was probably markedly different than the post flood earth, which has a radically different environment than today - so the assumptions about the ph levels and other conditions are irrelevant anyway,

The Bible portrays the fresh water being added to the salt water without any adjustments—and that would have killed nearly all of the fish!

And last time I checked, a date of ten thousand years from tree ring counting, still means a very young earth, being just a wee bit shy of 4.3 BY claimed by evolutionists.

The point is that we know for an absolute certainty that the White Mountains of California have NOT been subjected to a flood during the past 10,000 years. Therefore, the flood as portrayed in Genesis did NOT occur! The young earth creationist organizations know that it did not but they continue to lie to protect their livelihood.
 
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Not a single scripture says so ya is simply making things up.

That was what you said not what I said.
I was asking you what scripture says that.

Now you are finally on track.
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

This refers to the act of observing, refashioning, pressing, squeezing, using of natural man to be used and put into order, so that he now has a soul.

“Let Us make
נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה (na·‘ă·śeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect Cohortative if contextual - first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 6213:
1) to do, fashion, accomplish, make 1a)
to do, work, make, produce
to deal (with)
to act, act with effect, effect
to make
to prepare
to attend to,
put in order
to observe,
celebrate
to acquire
to appoint,
ordain,
institute
to bring about
to use
to spend,
pass
to be done
to be made
to be produced
to be offered
to be observed
to be used
to press, squeeze


All of this definition is about changing something that already exists.

man
אָדָ֛ם (’ā·ḏām)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley

in Our image,
בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ (bə·ṣal·mê·nū)
Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 6754: 1) image 1a) images (of tumours, mice, heathen gods) 1b) image, likeness (of resemblance) 1c) mere, empty, image, semblance (fig.)

after Our likeness,
כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ (kiḏ·mū·ṯê·nū)
Preposition-k | Noun - feminine singular construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 1823: n f 1) likeness, similitude adv 2) in the likeness of, like as

The existing thing was the dirt, created 3 days prior.

9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.


On the sixth day God created man from that dirt that had been made on day 3. So yes the dirt was already existing because God had just made it. But man had never existed, Adam was the first human and God created him on day 6.

All of this definition is about changing animals that already exists into man.

There is nothing about animals changing into humans in any of that scripture.
God formed man from the dirt, breathed the breath of life into him and he became a living being.
 
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There is nothing about animals changing into humans in any of that scripture. God formed man from the dirt, breathed the breath of life into him and he became a living being.

....Using what we call a natural process.
God doesn't work in any physically supernatural ways.

I was noticing the clouds yesterday and thinking about the process of visible mist forming. I occurred to me that it would only take the most minimal effort for God to use the clouds as a form of communication. He could make them into shapes, draw diagrams, even put the 10 commandments in the sky permanently for every person to read all day long. (In some form)

Going through every passage mentioning clouds, they are never used for communicating ideas. If humans had any supernatural powers of any kind, they could change the shape of clouds with their tiny minds with the tiniest effort.

This tells me that God only works in the physical world through normal natural methods.
As for God's "Supernatural" powers, He can change what man thinks.

God has no power on this earth
without believers accepting His perfect plans
 
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The point is that we know for an absolute certainty that the White Mountains of California have NOT been subjected to a flood during the past 10,000 years. Therefore, the flood as portrayed in Genesis did NOT occur!

We need to keep in mind the "the whole world" in a story from the writer was only as big as the writer was aware of. It would read better as "My whole world" was flooded because the flood story is from the point of view of a person who survived the flood.
 
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Except creation wasn't a natural process. It was a miraculous divine process.

Evolution is a miraculous divine process. Check out how the language is used in the original languages.
 
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On the sixth day God created man from that dirt that had been made on day 3. So yes the dirt was already existing because God had just made it.

Dirt is composed of dead decaying plants and animals. And sand varieties from erosion of stone. Stone that is made from ocean sediments. So there is nothing in dirt that is not eons old.

The passage is saying that man was created physically long before God added the breath of life to him.
 
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No different to Jesus turning water into good wine instantly.

Perhaps people thought that's what happened. God can change perceptions.

John 2:10
And said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.”
 
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Evolution is a miraculous divine process. Check out how the language is used in the original languages.

Evolution didn't happen. God created the world over 6 days.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them

I am done talking to you. Carry on believing whatever deceptions you want. God's word is simple and clear on how the world came to be. It is there for you to read if you so choose.
 
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We need to keep in mind the "the whole world" in a story from the writer was only as big as the writer was aware of. It would read better as "My whole world" was flooded because the flood story is from the point of view of a person who survived the flood.

It doesn't matter what the writer knew.

The ancient Israelite didn't understand quarantine laws that God gave them, didn't matter. All they needed was faith and obedience.
 
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Perhaps people thought that's what happened. God can change perceptions.

John 2:10
And said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.”

If you are implying that the miracles of Jesus were not actual miracles then you shouldn't be here. This area is for Christians only.

Do you also think the resurrection was only a perception and didn't really happen?
 
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No, they are not!



Neither Whitcomb nor Morris had even an elementary education in biology or geology but were so obsessed with their severe and inexcusable misunderstanding of Genesis 1-11 that they went about attempting to prove that the Genesis flood actually occurred and that the ark would have been large enough to do the job. However, any school boy who has ever visited a natural history museum and learned about the thousands of huge animals that are now extinct but would necessarily have been aboard the ark knows for himself that even aircraft carriers in the Gerald R Ford Class would not be capable of displacing enough water to be able to float if fully loaded with the absolutely necessary animals on board (The Gerald R Ford is capable of displacing a mere 100,000 tons) of water).

Moreover, Neither Whitcomb nor Morris, having virtually no knowledge of biology, were aware of the amount genetic diversity that would necessarily have been aboard the ark—not in test tubes, but in real, living animals. For example, the “cat kind” is not a genus, but a family (Felidae) comprised of 14 genera. Furthermore, the claim that all modern animals in the cat kind “descended” (that is, “evolved)” from one “parent kind” is a clear-cut admission that macroevolution has been occurring since the animals boarded the ark.

About 10.8 million years ago, the cat family began to split off into 8 Lineages consisting of 2 subfamilies, 14 genera, and 41 species. (Kitchener et al. 2017. (A revised taxonomy of the Felidae). The final report of the Cat Classification Task Force of the IUCN / SSC Cat Specialist Group.) The relationship of these groups to each other and the relative time of their splitting off has been learned and very well documented by comparing DNA sequences of all 41 species of cats. The actual time of the splitting off is learned from fossil records which young earth creationist believe to be radically misinterpreted.

Leopards (Panthera pardus) and ocelots (Leopardus pardalis) are phenotypically similar to each other, but genotypically dissimilar to each other. This is called convergent evolution and is due to the two genetically very different species having adapted to similar environments. Leopards belong to the Panthera Lineage that includes the leopards and six other species, but ocelots belong to the Leopardus lineage that includes the ocelots and seven other species. Both of these lineages descended (evolved) from the same Felid ancestor rather than one of them from the other. Therefore, it would have been absolutely necessary for one pair of cats (cats are ‘unclean animals—Leviticus 11)) from both lineages to have been aboard the ark. Moreover, as has been proven from DNA sequences, all seven of the species in the Panthera Lineage descended (evolved) independently from each other, and therefore, it would have been absolutely necessary for a pair of cats from all seven of the species in the Panthera Lineage to have been aboard the ark. Furthermore, the same would have been true of the other seven lineages and all of their species—for a total of not just 2, but 82 cats!

All 41 species of cats are carnivores, and none of them are capable of hibernating. All 41 species of cats spray their very caustic urine all over everything that they wish to claim as their own. A male lion in captivity requires 8 pounds of food per day—that is 2,920 pounds of food that a male lion on board the ark would have needed to eat during its stay on board the ark—and its mate would have required 2,190 pounds of food. The total food requirement for the 82 cats would have been approximately 90,000 pounds of meat—90,000 pounds of meat that would have to have been fed to the cats by Noah and his family. And we are still talking about just the cats! And we have not yet gotten to their excrement!

We have today several hundred thousands of genetically discreet populations of animals that would necessarily have been aboard the ark 4,368 years ago, and during that time, thousands of genetically discreet populations of animals have become extinct, but would necessarily have been aboard the ark. DNA sequences do not lie, but Whitcomb and Morris made a habit of it!

The purpose of the research was not to prove the theory of evolution or disprove the Bible; the purpose of the research was to get accurate data that will assist biologists in the protection of the biodiversity of the cat family and the other populations of wild animals—the very purpose of the ark!



Yes, but he did not study anything relative to the Genesis flood.



No, it does not!



No, it did not!



Science does NOT say that because it is NOT true!



No, it does not!



The Hebrew text of Genesis 7 implies that all of the animals were full-grown.



The Bible portrays the fresh water being added to the salt water without any adjustments—and that would have killed nearly all of the fish!



The point is that we know for an absolute certainty that the White Mountains of California have NOT been subjected to a flood during the past 10,000 years. Therefore, the flood as portrayed in Genesis did NOT occur! The young earth creationist organizations know that it did not but they continue to lie to protect their livelihood.

You haven’t read the book, so you have no idea what they covered about genetics. They covered the fact that every species of the kinds on board need not be included, thus only two dogs - and not every species of canine - as one example, and came up with 85,000 kinds if memory serves, and analysis of the dimensions and number of floors on the ark yields the equivalent of 500 railroad boxcars of space, again if memory serves, as I don’t have my copy of it available, more than enough space.

And you’re forgetting that God is almighty - He easily and instantly created any adaptations needed for animals to survive the new ecology on the post flood earth - you are analyzing everything from the materialistic and naturalistic perspective.
 
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If you are implying that the miracles of Jesus were not actual miracles then you shouldn't be here. This area is for Christians only.

If you implying that I'm not a Christian then you shouldn't be here. Doing so is against forum guidelines.
 
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Evolution didn't happen. God created the world over 6 days.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them

Most of those "days" were before the sun was made so "Days" really has no sunshiny 24 hour basis.
 
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If you implying that I'm not a Christian then you shouldn't be here. Doing so is against forum guidelines.

You are the one who said that the miracle of water into wine was possibly not water into wine.
You either believe in miracles or you don't. The resurrection was a miracle.

If you say the resurrection was a miracle, then what about all the other miracles?
 
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