Is evolution a theory?

[UseLogic]

I believe that evolution is a theory. Well, officially, it is one, too.

It's important to remember that a theory is not just an educated guess, though. Scientific theories have been tested thousands of times, they have never been falsified and you can not only explain phenomenons with them, but also make predictions based on them.

Most of the people claiming its a theory generally believe it to be false. Theories are not educated guesses, those are called hypotheses. A theory is what once was a hypothesis that has an incredible amount of evidence to support it and almost all theories have 0 evidence to prove them wrong.

All people arguing against evolution as a fact never cease to make me laugh, though as much as I like the enjoyment I can't just sit here with my mouth shut. I haven't seen one reply (against) that has made sense, people claiming that elephants evolving without tusks doesn't count because man interfered, Imagine lions decided that elephants with bigger tusks were tastier and decided to kill them off, would that then still not count? Because that is evolution by natural selection and I don't know about you but last time I checked humans were animals too.
To the person who brought up nature will never be at a balance, and prey will continue to evolve to outsmart the predator and vice versa, That is exactly how it is... Look at the Water Chevrotain, A relative of deer and antelope. It is the size of a house cat and can swim underwater like a hippo, It does this to avoid The Crested Eagle (its main predator) Both of these animals have evolved to combat each other. The chevrotain will stay submerged for minutes at a time, all the while the eagle uses it's superior vision to try and follow the chevrotain under the water.

I just don't understand the logic of people doubting these things.... It amuses me.

 

[Elendur]

I just don't understand the logic of people doubting these things.... It amuses me.

It isn't logic and it isn't doubt. It's conviction.

 

[samaus12345]

Depends which definition of the 'e' word. If you mean the HYPOTHESIS that in the UNOBSERVED PAST a fish grew legs, walked up onto the land, morphed into elephants, brachosaurus's, eagles, cows, sheep, buffalos, caterpillars, tyranosaurus rex's, a large number of other animals, a chimpanzee and then man, no it is NOT a theory. Theorizing about how something works can only come about AFTER its been observed. It is a HYPOTHESIS, and will be so FOREVER. In all seriousness any hypothesis that can NEVER be observed has to be discarded pretty quickly, so its a hypothesis for around 14 seconds until one realises its *alleged* to be in the unobserved past and cant be observed and so the hypothesis MUST be ditched.

 

[Elendur]

Depends which definition of the 'e' word. If you mean the HYPOTHESIS that in the UNOBSERVED PAST a fish grew legs, walked up onto the land, morphed into elephants, brachosaurus's, eagles, cows, sheep, buffalos, caterpillars, tyranosaurus rex's, a large number of other animals, a chimpanzee and then man, no it is NOT a theory. Theorizing about how something works can only come about AFTER its been observed. It is a HYPOTHESIS, and will be so FOREVER. In all seriousness any hypothesis that can NEVER be observed has to be discarded pretty quickly, so its a hypothesis for around 14 seconds until one realises its *alleged* to be in the unobserved past and cant be observed and so the hypothesis MUST be ditched.

Incidentally I'm watching this video just when you posted:
Destroying a Creationist - YouTube

Edit: I think it's only the first part that's relevant though.

 

[KhaosTheory]

All I can say is thank God for the internet.

Young people now have access to the truth even if their parents, teachers, and preaches try to keep them from it.

Once you all die off there won't be anyone left to lie to our kids.

 

[Elendur]

All I can say is thank God for the internet.

Young people now have access to the truth even if their parents, teachers, and preaches try to keep them from it.

Once you all die off there won't be anyone left to lie to our kids.

There will always be people left to lie, that's a fact. Hopefully they will be fewer though

 

[samaus12345]

OH YES BECAUSE SOME IDIOT IN A VIDEO SAYS SOME WORDS THAT=SCIENCE. Go to NCBI pull up a literature on something (i wont give you hints) copy paste the link.

 

[Elendur]

OH YES BECAUSE SOME IDIOT IN A VIDEO SAYS SOME WORDS THAT=SCIENCE. Go to NCBI pull up a literature on something (i wont give you hints) copy paste the link.

OH YES BECAUSE SOME IDIOT WHO WRITES IN CAPS THAT =TRUTH.
Go to talkorigins.org pull up an explanation on something (I won't give you hints) copy paste the link.

 

[samaus12345]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA TALK ORIGINS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I will ony do TWO literatures, find the 'strongest' ones and copy paste the link, make sure they are full not just abstracts. Talk origins depends on peoples IGNORANCE to read it and take it BLINDLY by FAITH. Max has done well for himself.

 

[Elendur]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA TALK ORIGINS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I will ony do TWO literatures, find the 'strongest' ones and copy paste the link, make sure they are full not just abstracts. Talk origins depends on peoples IGNORANCE to read it and take it BLINDLY by FAITH. Max has done well for himself.

Don't see why I wouldn't post at least one.
Evolutionary History of the "Robust" Australopithecines - Frederick Grine - Google Böcker

Edit: Unfortunately that's a book. Oh well, it's not as if I expect you to understand half of it.
Edit 2: Just noticed you wanted the 'strongest'. That's something you would have to ask a biologist for.

 

[samaus12345]

Two PEER REVIEWED GENETICS LITERATURES.

 

[Elendur]

Two PEER REVIEWED GENETICS LITERATURES.

Ask without caps and ye shall receive.

 

[KhaosTheory]

Depends which definition of the 'e' word. If you mean the HYPOTHESIS that in the UNOBSERVED PAST a fish grew legs, walked up onto the land, morphed into elephants, brachosaurus's, eagles, cows, sheep, buffalos, caterpillars, tyranosaurus rex's, a large number of other animals, a chimpanzee and then man, no it is NOT a theory. Theorizing about how something works can only come about AFTER its been observed. It is a HYPOTHESIS, and will be so FOREVER. In all seriousness any hypothesis that can NEVER be observed has to be discarded pretty quickly, so its a hypothesis for around 14 seconds until one realises its *alleged* to be in the unobserved past and cant be observed and so the hypothesis MUST be ditched.

You do realize that police can use this thing called forensics fo determins what happened in the past, right?

I understand that if you admitted this you'd be hurting your anti-science, anti-intellectual agenda, but this is the same way we figured out that those fish grew legs.

 

[sfs]

Ask without caps and ye shall receive.

First he should deal with chromosome 2 in the C&E forum.

 

[samaus12345]

Forensic science is VERY VERY good for creation, dead things buried everywhere as proof of a world wide FLOOD, c14 in diamonds and coal, documented history going back ~6,000 years, the human mutation load, when extrapolated back into the past reaching perfection ~6,000 years ago (garden of eden), the population growth rate as predicted by 8 people repopulating the world ~4,500 years ago, finding 'living' fossils, the Euphrates and the Hiddekel still being mentioned on maps (they were 2 of the 4 rivers in the garden of eden for the atheists and the theists who pseudo-interpret away genesis),finding bacteria with mobile genetic elements coding for penicillin destroying enzymes,

 

[KhaosTheory]

Forensic science is VERY VERY good for creation, dead things buried everywhere as proof of a world wide FLOOD, c14 in diamonds and coal, documented history going back ~6,000 years, the human mutation load, when extrapolated back into the past reaching perfection ~6,000 years ago (garden of eden), the population growth rate as predicted by 8 people repopulating the world ~4,500 years ago, finding 'living' fossils, the Euphrates and the Hiddekel still being mentioned on maps (they were 2 of the 4 rivers in the garden of eden for the atheists and the theists who pseudo-interpret away genesis),finding bacteria with mobile genetic elements coding for penicillin destroying enzymes,

Oh it proves a worldwide flood, does it? Do tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_2r2n4b5c

 

[Elendur]

First he should deal with chromosome 2 in the C&E forum.

Ah, I'll hold on then

 

[Loudmouth]

Forensic science is VERY VERY good for creation, dead things buried everywhere as proof of a world wide FLOOD, c14 in diamonds and coal, documented history going back ~6,000 years, the human mutation load, when extrapolated back into the past reaching perfection ~6,000 years ago (garden of eden), the population growth rate as predicted by 8 people repopulating the world ~4,500 years ago, finding 'living' fossils, the Euphrates and the Hiddekel still being mentioned on maps (they were 2 of the 4 rivers in the garden of eden for the atheists and the theists who pseudo-interpret away genesis),finding bacteria with mobile genetic elements coding for penicillin destroying enzymes,

Why don't you pick one and we will discuss.

Until then, here is a nice peer reviewed paper for you to enjoy:

"Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14)."
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

 

[samaus12345]

Many HERVs, including the ones used in this study, are the result of integration events that took place between 5 and 50 million years ago, as indicated by the distribution of specific proviruses at the same integration sites (or “loci&#8221 among related species

Its called the phylogenetic tree/molecular clock. Atheists/evolutionists would know this if they ever bothered to do any research other than submitting their more than willing supple minds to evolutionary biology propaganda. It comes down to FAITH about the UNOBSERVED PAST.

Phylogenetic tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See that 'common ancestor'? Thats non living matter ~3.5 billion years ago, which is taken by such BLIND FAITH by most they dont even realise.

Why don't you pick one and we will discuss.

Tell me how fossils form?

 

[Loudmouth]

Many HERVs, including the ones used in this study, are the result of integration events that took place between 5 and 50 million years ago, as indicated by the distribution of specific proviruses at the same integration sites (or “loci”) among related species

Its called the phylogenetic tree/molecular clock. Atheists/evolutionists would know this if they ever bothered to do any research other than submitting their more than willing supple minds to evolutionary biology propaganda. It comes down to FAITH about the UNOBSERVED PAST.

We observe that retroviruses insert randomly amongst millions of insertions sites. Therefore, if these ERV's were acquired by independent insertions then they should not be found at the same spot in each genome. However, if they are the result of a single insertion in a common ancestor then we should find these ERV's at the same location in different species. Guess what? Humans and chimps share hundreds of thousands of these ERV's at the same location in our genomes while only have a few hundred at different locations.

If you really think that we can not use evidence in the present to reconstruct past events then you should petition your local government to free everyone in the local jail who was put there by way of forensic evidence.

See that 'common ancestor'? Thats non living matter ~3.5 billion years ago, which is taken by such BLIND FAITH by most they dont even realise.

Why does it require faith to accept the fact that retroviruses exist, and that they are observed to insert randomly amongst millions of insertion sites? None of this takes faith. It is all observed.

Tell me how fossils form?

According to Gentry of Po halo fame, God put them into the ground when the Earth was formed. I don't have as much faith as creationists do, so I go with the observed method of burial of a real organism.