Its the best scientific theory we currently have. However is it proven? I would say it isn't yet proven because its never been observed in process, only inferred from the genetic, fossil etc evidence.
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Its the best scientific theory we currently have. However is it proven? I would say it isn't yet proven because its never been observed in process, only inferred from the genetic, fossil etc evidence.
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I think a lot depends on whether the animals can breed and produce viable offspring.
For example different breeds of cat can interbreed, same with dogs. If there reached a point where they could not breed, then it would be interesting.
Can for example a Great Dane interbreed with a chihuahua? {sic}
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No theory is ever proven only ever put beyond reasonable doubt. Evolution has been observed in labs with animals/bacteria with a very quick population growth.
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The scientific evidence leads one to the theory of evolution. The problem is the philosophy of science. God creating, or some sort of intelligent design is a perfectly possible explanation for the way the diversity of life has appeared according to isotope dating as well, its just that the discipline of science cant entertain such supernatural explanations, and many use science as their benchmark of truth.
For example, that the transition fossil Tiktaalic, a lobe finned fish, transformed into a tetrapod is actually no more than the smallest gap of characteristics between the creatures we see as fossils. It is wrong to say lobe finned fish evolved into tetrapods as there are still some lobbed finned fish about today, so it is more correct to say some lobbed finned fish evolved. Yet to have done so the creatures according to their fossil remains only had fins that could support them and breathing apparatus, somehow they would have needed to reproduce knowing something of the environment they were going to adapt to, food source etc. If as the evolutionary theory says the seas were drying up, it still should be noted that Tiktaalic were fish and thus not adpating to the changing w environment, they were still in their environment, but adpating to a future environment they knew nothing about. Sounds like some sort of intelligent design which isnt science so much as the philosophy of science, but one can understand why atheist scientists are so upset about it.
For example, that the transition fossil Tiktaalic, a lobe finned fish, transformed into a tetrapod is actually no more than the smallest gap of characteristics between the creatures we see as fossils. It is wrong to say lobe finned fish evolved into tetrapods as there are still some lobbed finned fish about today, so it is more correct to say some lobbed finned fish evolved. Yet to have done so the creatures according to their fossil remains only had fins that could support them and breathing apparatus, somehow they would have needed to reproduce knowing something of the environment they were going to adapt to, food source etc. If as the evolutionary theory says the seas were drying up, it still should be noted that Tiktaalic were fish and thus not adpating to the changing w environment, they were still in their environment, but adpating to a future environment they knew nothing about. Sounds like some sort of intelligent design which isnt science so much as the philosophy of science, but one can understand why atheist scientists are so upset about it.
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Intelligent design hasn't worked, it explains nothing and doesn't even tell you who the designer is.
But science only explain the natural, when we can test the supernatural it seems to fail [i.e psychics astrology homoeopathy etc]
But science only explain the natural, when we can test the supernatural it seems to fail [i.e psychics astrology homoeopathy etc]
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Good try, but incorrect I'm afraid....
Oh drat, I had actually only just discovered the Faraday Institute when trying to google an RJ Berry quote.
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Evolution is a theory. Darwin said so himself. Men have chosen to accept this theory instead of accepting that God is the only One Who could possibly have created everything in its present form.
Mutation is a fact. Life can and does undergo environmental changes that may change some of its functions, but the species itself does not 'evolve'.
I find it far easier to prove that evolution does not exist rather than to prove that God does\not exist,..
Modern scientists have calculated that the odds against there being any life on earth at all somewhere in the region of 1 in 10-to-the-power-of-120,
This takes into consideration the fine-tuning of our solar system, the existence of a yellow sun at exactly the right distance from earth, the existence, size and distance of our moon, the (still inexplicable) existence of (so much) water on earth, an atmosphere of the right gaseous mix, the presence of 94 elements occurring in their natural form on earth of which 60 are present in most animal life-forms in amazingly precise percentages, the abundance of so many plant and animal species which are edible, nutritious and good tasting, the wonder of photosynthesis with it's conversion of carbon-dioxide into oxygen, the presence of an iron core responsible for the magnetic fields protecting life from lethal cosmic rays, the inclination of the earth's axis to create seasons, a weather system which (generally) contributes positively to life on earth,etc,etc.
Add to this the infinitesimal fine-tuning of the precise value for gravity and the Cosmological constant governing the forces that keeps matter together to form complex atoms, molecules, etc, and the odds against the possibility of there being life on earth grow to more than 1 in 10-to-the-power-of-300 (conservatively)
This can be translated as follows: when I look at the evidence of God's Hand in creation and apply a logical process of reasoning, I reach a point where I need only take a small step of faith to accept that God is real, and that He is Who He says is and He will do what He has said he will do,
To look at all this mind-boggling evidence, and then still say that I would rather stake my life (and possible eternity) on the 1 in 10-to-the-power-of-300 chance that everything just 'happened by chance' would take one enormous leap of blind stupidity.
There - I said it. Richard Dawkins and all his 'learned' ilk are blind and stupid, by choice. The best answer he has ever mustered is that evolution is observable - it simply has never been observed.
In his book 'The God Delusion' he states that 'there almost certainly is no God'.
In the Bible (Psalm 14) God says that Richard Dawkins almost certainly is a fool.
I agree with Psalm 14
Mutation is a fact. Life can and does undergo environmental changes that may change some of its functions, but the species itself does not 'evolve'.
I find it far easier to prove that evolution does not exist rather than to prove that God does\not exist,..
Modern scientists have calculated that the odds against there being any life on earth at all somewhere in the region of 1 in 10-to-the-power-of-120,
This takes into consideration the fine-tuning of our solar system, the existence of a yellow sun at exactly the right distance from earth, the existence, size and distance of our moon, the (still inexplicable) existence of (so much) water on earth, an atmosphere of the right gaseous mix, the presence of 94 elements occurring in their natural form on earth of which 60 are present in most animal life-forms in amazingly precise percentages, the abundance of so many plant and animal species which are edible, nutritious and good tasting, the wonder of photosynthesis with it's conversion of carbon-dioxide into oxygen, the presence of an iron core responsible for the magnetic fields protecting life from lethal cosmic rays, the inclination of the earth's axis to create seasons, a weather system which (generally) contributes positively to life on earth,etc,etc.
Add to this the infinitesimal fine-tuning of the precise value for gravity and the Cosmological constant governing the forces that keeps matter together to form complex atoms, molecules, etc, and the odds against the possibility of there being life on earth grow to more than 1 in 10-to-the-power-of-300 (conservatively)
This can be translated as follows: when I look at the evidence of God's Hand in creation and apply a logical process of reasoning, I reach a point where I need only take a small step of faith to accept that God is real, and that He is Who He says is and He will do what He has said he will do,
To look at all this mind-boggling evidence, and then still say that I would rather stake my life (and possible eternity) on the 1 in 10-to-the-power-of-300 chance that everything just 'happened by chance' would take one enormous leap of blind stupidity.
There - I said it. Richard Dawkins and all his 'learned' ilk are blind and stupid, by choice. The best answer he has ever mustered is that evolution is observable - it simply has never been observed.
In his book 'The God Delusion' he states that 'there almost certainly is no God'.
In the Bible (Psalm 14) God says that Richard Dawkins almost certainly is a fool.
I agree with Psalm 14
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There is a third option KenE, Theistic Evolution which many Christians subscribe to. Real science and Christian faith are not incompatible 
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LOL!!!
Yeah, the creationists don't like the fact that there is a third option. No one, well except the atheists
are saying there is no God.Christian evolutionists believe in God!
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Just so we are on the same page: I fully subscribe to Intelligent Design. I am convinced that God created science (what little we know and understand of it) and that our universe is simply the most awesome display of His scientific, mathematical and biological art!
I am prepared to believe that He created our world in 6 literal days.
Why shouldn't I?
The same Bible that describes this process contains at least 44 Messianic prophecies. It has been calculated that the chances of just 11 out of these 44 prophecies being fulfilled to the letter in the Person of Jesus Christ is 1 in 15 billion, billion!! This is just one demonstration of the amazing power that is inherent in everything God does.
Other compelling evidence of His influence is recorded in the Talmud, where every year in succession, after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ up until the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, the high priest drew out a black stone from the 'lots bag', The odds of drawing out a black stone 40 times in a row is 1 in 1,099,511,627,776!
It is patently clear to me (and everyone who would simply take an objective look at the astonishing amount of evidence to support the existence of an AWESOME and AMAZING GOD) that evolution IS A LIE and God is TRUTH.
Once again this is affirmed in His Word:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what He has made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools...
Romans 1:18-22
P.S. If it was'nt for God there wouldn't BE any atheists!
I am prepared to believe that He created our world in 6 literal days.
Why shouldn't I?
The same Bible that describes this process contains at least 44 Messianic prophecies. It has been calculated that the chances of just 11 out of these 44 prophecies being fulfilled to the letter in the Person of Jesus Christ is 1 in 15 billion, billion!! This is just one demonstration of the amazing power that is inherent in everything God does.
Other compelling evidence of His influence is recorded in the Talmud, where every year in succession, after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ up until the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, the high priest drew out a black stone from the 'lots bag', The odds of drawing out a black stone 40 times in a row is 1 in 1,099,511,627,776!
It is patently clear to me (and everyone who would simply take an objective look at the astonishing amount of evidence to support the existence of an AWESOME and AMAZING GOD) that evolution IS A LIE and God is TRUTH.
Once again this is affirmed in His Word:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what He has made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools...
Romans 1:18-22
P.S. If it was'nt for God there wouldn't BE any atheists!
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I am a Christian, KenE, Christ is my Lord and Saviour. I am also an evolutionist, years of study have drawn me to these conclusions.
I am a Theistic Evolutionist, evolution is NOT a lie and I believe God is master of the whole process
I am a Theistic Evolutionist, evolution is NOT a lie and I believe God is master of the whole process
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