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Is everything "meaningless" without God?

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What it boils down to is this. God is eternal and everlasting, and the earth is not.
Because God is like a perpetual motion machine. I thought that those were impossible?
If you live of the world and apart from God, it all is tempory and will eventually cease to exist.
What about "Hell", where [hypothetically] two thirds of those that ever lived will be going (for reasons beyond their control). Another perpetual motion machine?
Living in a relationship with God and seeking to please Him is the only thing that is everlasting.
Nihilism, or eternal sycophantism. You do paint a dreary outlook on the world.
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What it boils down to is this. God is eternal and everlasting, and the earth is not.

Empty claim.

If you live of the world and apart from God, it all is tempory and will eventually cease to exist.

Correct, mostly.

Living in a relationship with God and seeking to please Him is the only thing that is everlasting.

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Empty claim.
 
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When I was an atheist, my life still had meaning, but it was a meaning I applied to it. There is something different about living for Jesus, and in Jesus. There is something so fulfilling and meaningful about living my life with God's purpose in mind. So, anyone can find meaning in life, but personally, I do find that life has far more meaning by following God.
 
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What it boils down to is this. God is eternal and everlasting, and the earth is not. If you live of the world and apart from God, it all is tempory and will eventually cease to exist. Living in a relationship with God and seeking to please Him is the only thing that is everlasting.

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What your statement boils down to, is your opinion.
 
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When I was an atheist, my life still had meaning, but it was a meaning I applied to it. There is something different about living for Jesus, and in Jesus. There is something so fulfilling and meaningful about living my life with God's purpose in mind. So, anyone can find meaning in life, but personally, I do find that life has far more meaning by following God.

Good for you.

As the old saying goes; whatever works for you.
 
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What it boils down to is this. God is eternal and everlasting, and the earth is not. If you live of the world and apart from God, it all is tempory and will eventually cease to exist.

Not a problem for meaning.

Living in a relationship with God and seeking to please Him is the only thing that is everlasting.

I can't think of anything more meaningless than being a people-pleaser (in this case a god-pleaser) for an eternity.

The big kicker is that God doesn't actually need anything, not even to be pleased, and so you are making no difference whatsoever to God in any way that truly matters to God. For an eternity.


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we're created for God purpose, absent of conforming to his word life is meaningless.
That gives a very weird view of "God"... going around creating stuff "for his purpose" that doesn't fulfill his purpose and is meaningless.
 
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we're created for God purpose, absent of conforming to his word life is meaningless.


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You make me wonder if there is salvation from salvation.
 
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Not a problem for meaning.



I can't think of anything more meaningless than being a people-pleaser (in this case a god-pleaser) for an eternity.

The big kicker is that God doesn't actually need anything, not even to be pleased, and so you are making no difference whatsoever to God in any way that truly matters to God. For an eternity.


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That is not true at all. Just your opinion.

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That is not true at all. Just your opinion.

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What I'm getting from this is that you believe Yahweh created you to be his sycophant. That's the only meaning you can aspire to. Is that right?
 
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I don't know why we are still talking about purpose and meaning. The word "meaningless" in the context of the op does not mean "without meaning or purpose "! It is הֶבֶל hebel meaning futile, vanity, or litterally "chasing the wind"

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I don't know why we are still talking about purpose and meaning. The word "meaningless" in the context of the op does not mean "without meaning or purpose "! It is הֶבֶל hebel meaning futile, vanity, or litterally "chasing the wind"

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Do you think that not being a sycophant means that one's life is meaningless?
 
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I don't know why we are still talking about purpose and meaning. The word "meaningless" in the context of the op does not mean "without meaning or purpose "!

No, of course not. "Meaningless" has nothing to do with being "without meaning". How silly of us to think that's what you're saying.

It is הֶבֶל hebel meaning futile, vanity, or litterally "chasing the wind"

Except that there is nothing futile or vain in meaning in life as I see it. I know that I will die one day. I reasonably conclude from current cosmology that life most likely will cease to exist one day. That doesn't mean that life isn't worthwhile in itself.

It would only be vanity or futile if I thought that meaning in life would exist forever. I don't think that. It only exists where there is life.


eudaimonia,

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I don't know why we are still talking about purpose and meaning. The word "meaningless" in the context of the op does not mean "without meaning or purpose "! It is הֶבֶל hebel meaning futile, vanity, or litterally "chasing the wind"
No, I fear I do not get it. "Futile" would mean "serving no useful purpose" "Vanity" would mean "empty of meaning or value". So what you said it means is just what you said it doesn't mean in the previous sentence.

So I can only conclude that you have no idea what you are talking about.

"hebel" also isn't literally "chasing the wind". Wind, yes. Breath. And then figuratively something that is fleeting, something that you cannot catch, something... well, futile, vain, empty, meaningless.

But again here you are wrong: catching the wind might not be achivable... chasing the wind is possible.


And in this regard you still haven't told us why you think that "anything with God" is meaningful, not futile, vain or not like "chasing the wind".

It is something that I have known for a long time, but never seen in such a condensed form as in the last few debates that I participated in. Christians try very hard to demonstrate that our - the unbelievers - worldview is so bad. Immoral, evil, meaningless, futile, hopeless, worthless, purposeless, to be discarded and destroyed, something that we will come to regret eternally. The worst that there is, that there could be.

But when challenged, they show themselves to be completely incapable to demonstrate that their alternative is better in any way.
 
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No, of course not. "Meaningless" has nothing to do with being "without meaning". How silly of us to think that's what you're saying.



Except that there is nothing futile or vain in meaning in life as I see it. I know that I will die one day. I reasonably conclude from current cosmology that life most likely will cease to exist one day. That doesn't mean that life isn't worthwhile in itself.

It would only be vanity or futile if I thought that meaning in life would exist forever. I don't think that. It only exists where there is life.


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So would it be accurate to say that without God, all we can do it make our lives as enjoyable as possible before we die and fade off into non-existance? That without God, we inharently have no reason or purpose resulting in a requirement for us to create whatever reason we need for our lives to have purpose to give us an excuse to get through the day?

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