Is eating Pork wrong?

[ViaCrucis]

Then what is the point for Christians to read the Old Testament?
If none of it applies to Christians as you imply,then,why do we read it?

A) It's part of our history of faith.
B) It points us to our hope in Jesus Christ.
C) The Old Testament contains plenty that is relevant, that we aren't bound to Torah doesn't mean that its words are useless for us. Additionally we still have the Prophets there speaking truth to power which is always relevant.

The Mosaic law was not given to the Jews,it was given to Israel,do not confuse the 2!
''Jews'' does not appear in the Bible until 2 Kings 16:6.
Jacob did not have his name changed to a ''state''

The word "Jew" comes from the tribe of Judah and also the Kingdom of Judah. By the time of the Exile it described any Israelite regardless of tribe. Thus "The Jews" is a sufficiently adequate term to use as a synonym for ancient Israel.

You do know you can find the Apocrypha in some Bibles like the Douay?

One can find the Deuterocanonicals in most English translations. Bible publishers often have several editions, those with and those without.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[sleepingdog]

Because you can not fully understand the meaning of Jesus sacrifice without it. Secondly, there are many unfulfilled prophesies in the OT that will be fulfilled during the time of the gentiles. Third, there are many fulfilled prophesies in the OT that are germaine to the NT. Forth, the OT is highly Christological which sheds quit a bit of understanding on who Jesus is. There are many more reasons that I will be happy to get into if you wish.




Semantics. There were no Jews that were not Israeli except for the proselytes. The fact still remains that the law was ONLY given to Israel not to the Christians.



Yes which is the Catholic bible. You can also find them, with variation, in the eastern churches such as the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox bibles.

Do you even know what ''gentile'' means or do you Just assume it means non-Jew?
What is the ''time of the gentiles''?

The Jews do not speak Hebrew,they speak Yiddish.You cannot connect the words Israeli and Jews together...
The law was given to Israel,but it was not given to the Jews?

 

[sleepingdog]

A) It's part of our history of faith.
B) It points us to our hope in Jesus Christ.
C) The Old Testament contains plenty that is relevant, that we aren't bound to Torah doesn't mean that its words are useless for us. Additionally we still have the Prophets there speaking truth to power which is always relevant.



The word "Jew" comes from the tribe of Judah and also the Kingdom of Judah. By the time of the Exile it described any Israelite regardless of tribe. Thus "The Jews" is a sufficiently adequate term to use as a synonym for ancient Israel.



One can find the Deuterocanonicals in most English translations. Bible publishers often have several editions, those with and those without.

-CryptoLutheran

The word "Jew" comes from the tribe of Judah and also the Kingdom of Judah. By the time of the Exile it described any Israelite regardless of tribe. Thus "The Jews" is a sufficiently adequate term to use as a synonym for ancient Israel.

You seem to be forgetting that both Israel AND Judah were taken in to Assyrian Captivity.
How can it be used as a synonym if Judah was taken with Israel into Assyrian captitiviy and did not return?What happened to them?How can it be used for a people who did not return to their place?
You also do know that ''Jew'' describes geography?

Matthew 4:25:And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.

But what about today,is it used as a synonym for modern Israel?

 

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Its shows the title of His name on the cross and in which languages it was written here

John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

John 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.


So it was written in the three above


Saul (called Paul) was a Pharisee, Jesus spake hebrew to him here



Acts 24:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.


Jew and Gentile are shown distinguished here

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

 

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Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heres both Israel and Judah mentioned

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heres both Israel and Judah mentioned

Israel=10 Judah=2 10+2=12

 

[sleepingdog]

[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Its shows the title of His name on the cross and in which languages it was written here

John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

John 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

So it was written in the three above

Saul (called Paul) was a Pharisee, Jesus spake hebrewto him here

Acts 24:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. [/font]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Jew and Gentile are shown distinguished here


Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

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Do you have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance?

Because in the Greek Section,regarding John 19:19-20

Jews simply means geography.

Here you can read it for yourself...

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Jesus was born in Judea.

Matthew 2:1:Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Jesus was of the Tribe of Judah.

Hebrews 7:14:For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.



As for Romans 2:9 ....

Jew is the same as the Strong's definition above.

While Gentile is...

1672. Hellen hel'-lane from 1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew:-- Gentile, Greek.

I wouldn't confuse the word Jew without it's definition...

 

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Israel=10 Judah=2 10+2=12

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Do you have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance?

Because in the Greek Section,regarding John 19:19-20

Jews simply means geography.

Here you can read it for yourself...

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Jesus was born in Judea.

Matthew 2:1:Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Jesus was of the Tribe of Judah.

Hebrews 7:14:For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.



As for Romans 2:9 ....

Jew is the same as the Strong's definition above.

While Gentile is...

1672. Hellen hel'-lane from 1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew:-- Gentile, Greek.

I wouldn't confuse the word Jew without it's definition...

There you go judging based on appearances. Do you know what the Lord said about that?

Here is the Lords definition of a Jew...

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Look no flesh required.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Do you have a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance?

Because in the Greek Section,regarding John 19:19-20

Jews simply means geography.

Here you can read it for yourself...

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Jesus was born in Judea.

Matthew 2:1:Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Jesus was of the Tribe of Judah.

Hebrews 7:14:For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.



As for Romans 2:9 ....

Jew is the same as the Strong's definition above.

While Gentile is...

1672. Hellen hel'-lane from 1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew:-- Gentile, Greek.

I wouldn't confuse the word Jew without it's definition...

Not sure what you are trying to point out to me there sleepingdog, is there a verse you might have disagreement with that I posted above?

 

[sleepingdog]

There you go judging based on appearances. Do you know what the Lord said about that?

Here is the Lords definition of a Jew...

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Look no flesh required.

Jew in Romans 2:29 is Just a geographic address....

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.
http://www.christianforums.com/passage/?search=Romans+2:29&version=KJV

 

[sleepingdog]

Not sure what you are trying to point out to me there sleepingdog, is there a verse you might have disagreement with that I posted above?

Post 64,you did not post the Strong's Greek definition of Jews.

Do you think words carry no meanings?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Jew in Romans 2:29 is Just a geographic address....

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

What is the zip code of the Holy Spirit?

 

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Acts 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Acts 22:27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

Acts 22:28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

How would this one apply?

 

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What is the zip code of the Holy Spirit?

7777777???

 

[Hentenza]

Do you even know what ''gentile'' means or do you Just assume it means non-Jew?

You are kidding, right?

What is the ''time of the gentiles''?

This period of time that we are now. See Luke 21.

The Jews do not speak Hebrew,they speak Yiddish.You cannot connect the words Israeli and Jews together...
The law was given to Israel,but it was not given to the Jews?

What language did the Israelites spoke at Mt. Sinai?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

7777777???

Hey, I like the way you think.

 

[Hentenza]

7777777???

 

[Fireinfolding]

Post 64,you did not post the Strong's Greek definition of Jews.

Do you think words carry no meanings?

Yes, but you will will get stuck on Jew inwardly, not Jew zipcode as SpiritInTruth pointed out.

You cannot be telling me you want me to post definitions to words every post here sleeping dog, Ive been in the Lord for 24 years now

However if geography makes one a Jew then all who live in the geographical location of Judea makes folks Jews? Is that what you are saying? A Geographical linenage?

 

[sleepingdog]

Acts 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Acts 22:27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

Acts 22:28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

How would this one apply?

Paul was a Roman...

John 11:48:If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

If the Romans had control,of both place and nation...

In John 8:33 when the Jews stated ''and were never in bondage to any man''

They were in bondage to the Romans...

Paul was not of the Tribe of Judah,so the Strong's meaning again is...

2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Geography= Judaean

''But Paul said, I am a man which am a JUDAEAN of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia