Is divorce a sin?

[FOC]

lol. You're just like every literalist I've ever met. Throwing pound upon pound of trash on without ever addressing the issue and facts at hand, rather waving them off because they don't agree with your teachings. You test me, as the Pharisees tested Jesus, looking for a loophole. Looking for something to wave to the masses. "Look everybody, Dr. Feelgood made a mistake. This invalidates his entire message". This is evident by your many attempts at confusing the issue with various passages. "Why then, did James say this?" "Why then did Moses permit this?" Do you see the parallel?

Anyways, in James (James was the leader of the head church in Jerusalem), James is addressing a wide variety of people. He's addressing believers and non-believers alike. The rich and the poor. His audience is as diverse as his message.

In the opening verse, which you so handily pointed out, he gives special recognition to his many brothers scattered abroad due to persecution, living in poverty (Romans 15:26). The descendants of the 12 sons of Jacob. He takes the opportunity to greet them with a joy found only twice in the Bible. These "brothers" look to his church in Jerusalem for leadership and guidance.

It's important to note that James is the half-brother of Jesus. His whole life was spent around Jesus, although he did not convert until Jesus' resurrection. Therefore, he knew an awful lot about the teachings of Jesus, and most likely wrote the book of James right around the time that Jesus was preaching the Sermon on the Mount (There are more than a dozen direct parallels to the Sermon on the Mount, and James uses a particular style that Jesus did, that of using examples from nature).

So, now we can establish his audience. At the time of writing, the Gentiles had not been brought into the church yet. Christianity was still limited to Jewish converts. It wasn't until much later that the Apostle Paul embarked on his mission of bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Does this make the message any less applicable to the Gentiles? Certainly not. If the Gentiles were part of the church and thus part of James' audience, James, as leader of the church, would have addressed them too. Therefore, it's only logical to conclude that a well versed Gentile would follow the guidelines as set out by James, if for no other reason than that they adhere to the teachings of Jesus.

Actaully youre right on target in part..........my mission here is to show that you take what you want and reject that which you dont..........surely thats been obvious from the start...

I guess, i could actually break out my bible here and make a list of things that apply and see If you fail in any of these areas while youre telling folks here that the unforgible sin is remarriage.

I thank God that these women here are not accountable to you but to Him alone.

Tell me this if you will..........and please......no beating around the bush or longwinded dodges please.

Is a woman who divorced over abuse and remarried guilty of an eternal sin?
Is it unforgivable by our Lord.

No scripture please......youre words alone..........

 

[SirKenin]

Actaully youre right on target in part..........my mission here is to show that you take what you want and reject that which you dont..........surely thats been obvious from the start...

I guess, i could actually break out my bible here and make a list of things that apply and see If you fail in any of these areas while youre telling folks here that the unforgible sin is remarriage.

I thank God that these women here are not accountable to you but to Him alone.

Tell me this if you will..........and please......no beating around the bush or longwinded dodges please.

Is a woman who divorced over abuse and remarried guilty of an eternal sin?
Is it unforgivable by our Lord.

No scripture please......youre words alone..........

Your question has already been answered in detail and in full. Your many questions. I fail to see the need to repeat myself.

 

[FOC]

Your question has already been answered in detail and in full. Your many questions. I fail to see the need to repeat myself.

A simple yes or no will do......

Is a woman who divorced over abuse and remarried guilty of an eternal sin? y or n

Is it unforgivable by our Lord? y or n

 

[FOC]

And another thats on my mind Drfeelgood.

I hate to bring this up cause i know im gonna get flack for it but here goes.

Can I assume since youve put a Marilyn Manson qoute in your signature that you listen to him?

WHAT is a man of God who is TEACHING the word of God and its meanings to the brethren doing listening and/or even quoting a well known, self-proclaimed SATANIST ???

1Th 5:22 Abstain from every appearance of evil.

And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Therefore come out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.
(2Co 6:15-18)

i wondered about youre hardness of heart.........
I think NOW I have tracked down my answer..........

DID you apply the abstaining from appearances of evil to YOU or not???

 

[SirKenin]

And another thats on my mind Drfeelgood.

I hate to bring this up cause i know im gonna get flack for it but here goes.

Can I assume since youve put a Marilyn Manson qoute in your signature that you listen to him?

WHAT is a man of God who is TEACHING the word of God and its meanings to the brethren doing listening and/or even quoting a well known, self-proclaimed SATANIST ???





i wondered about youre hardness of heart.........
I think NOW I have tracked down my answer..........

You really don't have a clue, do you? I feel very, very sorry for you. You limit yourself, your understanding, because you have your blinders on. Your heart and mind is closed. You are convinced that you have all the answers. Even in the face of the truth, you can't see the forest for the trees.

Marilyn Manson is a Satanist, that's very true. He's actually an ordained minister of the Church of Satan. That, however, is not the point. Marilyn Manson is a brilliant man with a strong message. He has an incredible knowledge of socioeconomics and politics and he uses it to expose the ludicrousness of todays society.

If you took the time to read his lyrics, you would understand the message that he is sending out to anyone who wants to listen. "Get over your own piety and demonstrate some humility and compassion. Your understanding of the world around you is relative to the size of your steeple (how much better you think you are than everyone else)".

Should I point out ONCE MORE that avoiding the appearance of evil is not at all what you think it is?

It's actually encouraging the brand new believers at the Church of Thessalonica to avoid anything that is ACTUALLY evil. (see this article for more information). Marilyn Manson's lyrics, the few songs that I have drawn inspiration from, despite his choice of religion, are not inherently evil. That quote that I have included is actually pasted across one of his albums on CD.

 

[FOC]

You really don't have a clue, do you? I feel very, very sorry for you. You limit yourself, your understanding, because you have your blinders on. Your heart and mind is closed. You are convinced that you know all the answers. Even in the face of the truth, you can't see the forest for the trees.

Marilyn Manson is a Satanist, that's very true. He's actually an ordained minister of the Church of Satan. That, however, is not the point. Marilyn Manson is a brilliant man with a strong message. He has an incredible knowledge of socioeconomics and politics and he uses it to expose the ludicrousness of todays populace.

If you took the time to read his lyrics, you would understand the message that he is sending out to anyone who wants to listen. "Get over your own piety and demonstrate some humility and compassion. Your understanding of the world around you is relative to the size of your steeple (how much better you think you are than anyone else)".

Should I point out ONCE MORE that avoiding the appearance of evil is not at all what you think it is?

It's actually encouraging the brand new believers at the Church of Thesselonica to avoid anything that is ACTUALLY evil. for more information. Marilyn Manson's lyrics, the few songs that I have drawn inspiration from, despite his choice of religion, are not inherently evil. That quote that I have included is actually pasted across one of his albums on CD.

please spare me your feelings of sympathy.........my Lord forgiveness is ALL I require......

I watched a show with Marylin Manson where I listened myself as he said he did NOT want to go to heaven cause it would be full of a bunch of ***HOLES (sorry mods.....need the shock value with this one.)

If you draw inspiration from a well known SATANIST you can hang up having anyone here actually listening to your accusations and unforgiveness........we know what spirit drives that.....the same one that inspires MARYLIN MANSON ..........his father the devil.........

You must forgive me.......I get on these ''tirades'' to show the true spirit behind folks and their arrogance and unforgiving hearts.

Obvously, as I suspected, you do not apply ALL scripture to YOUreself and are NOT qualified to judge any of my brethren here.........

 

[SirKenin]

I don't care where he wants to go. I, unlike you, am not judging him. That's between him and God.

I agree with what it is he's trying to say, and wish a few more people would listen to it and realize just how stupid they really act in their moments of self-righteousness. You yourself fit under this umbrella.

You seem to forget that music is an artform. An outlet to express a message. He's not preaching "I love Satan" or "Become a Satanist". No, nothing like that at all. You are just trying to use that to undermine my message. However, you are the one who has demonstrated your lack of knowledge. You are the one who made your bed, now you must lie in it.

I also apply all scripture to myself. It is merely your failure to properly understand it that gives you the impression that I don't.

 

[FOC]

I don't care where he wants to go. I, unlike you, am not judging him. That's between him and God.

I agree with what it is he's trying to say, and wish a few more people would listen to it and realize just how stupid they really act in their moments of self-righteousness. You yourself fit under this umbrella.

You seem to forget that music is an artform. An outlet to express a message. He's not preaching "I love Satan" or "Become a Satanist". No, nothing like that at all. You are just trying to use that to undermine my message. However, you are the one who has demonstrated your lack of knowledge. You are the one who made your bed, now you must lie in it.

HMMMMMM...........yes ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR.........

I wonder what happens if I start posting some lyrics here of this idol of yours ?

Do you think God fearing Christians would approve?
would they approve if they saw his sickening satanic stageshows that Ive heard of?

YOu listen to a SATANIST and you DARE to teach the word of God?
YOU DARE try to tell us how to live holy before our God and King?
YOU DARE tell our young women THEY are wrong for a mistake while YOU blatantly listen to SATAN?

Dont try to justify YOUR ignoring our direct instruction to abstian from appearances of evil with saying we cant judge MM........we dont need to judge the man to judge and stay away from SATAN....

The jig is up......youre BUSTED..........you listen to the message of a SATANIC MUSICIAN by his own words...

 

[SirKenin]

HMMMMMM...........yes ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR.........

I wonder what happens if I start posting some lyrics here of this idol of yours ?

Do you think God fearing Christians would approve?
would they approve if they saw his sickening satanic stageshows that Ive heard of?

YOu listen to a SATANIST and you DARE to teach the word of God?

Dont try to justify YOUR ignoring our direct instruction to abstian from appearances of evil with saying we cant judge MM........we dont need to judge the man to judge and stay away from SATAN....

The jig is up......youre BUSTED..........you listen to the message of a SATANIC MUSICIAN by his own words...

My, aren't you the judgmental one?

First, he's not my idol, but he sure has you pinned to a T.

Second, you didn't even bother to look up the true meaning of that verse. Your typical mo. You blatantly ignore the facts. Many protestants have fallen into the same trap as you. Misapplying the verse, taking it out of context, due to a mistranslation.

Third, you need to open your mind. Take off your blinders and realize there's a fountain of knowledge that awaits you.

 

[FOC]

My, aren't you the judgmental one?

First, he's not my idol, but he sure has you pinned to a T.

Second, you didn't even bother to look up the true meaning of that verse. Your typical mo. You blatantly ignore the facts. Many protestants have fallen into the same trap as you. Misapplying the verse, taking it out of context, due to a mistranslation.

Third, you need to open your mind. Take off your blinders and realize there's a fountain of knowledge that awaits you.

WOW..........open MY mind to what...........SATANIC MUSIC

HERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS..........THIS GUY LISTENS TO A GUY WHO IS A MINISTER IN A CHURCH OF SATAN........

NOT SOME JOE DOWN THE STREET MIND YOU.........BUT A SELF-PROCLAIMED FOLLOWER OF OUR MOST DIRE ENEMY........

I rest my case...........

 

[msjones21]

Is this the same Marilyn Manson who gets on stage and rips apart the same Holy Bible drfeelgood quotes Scriptures from? Hmmmm fascinating.

 

[SirKenin]

HMMMMMM...........yes ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR.........

I wonder what happens if I start posting some lyrics here of this idol of yours ?

Do you think God fearing Christians would approve?
would they approve if they saw his sickening satanic stageshows that Ive heard of?

YOu listen to a SATANIST and you DARE to teach the word of God?
YOU DARE try to tell us how to live holy before our God and King?
YOU DARE tell our young women THEY are wrong for a mistake while YOU blatantly listen to SATAN?

Dont try to justify YOUR ignoring our direct instruction to abstian from appearances of evil with saying we cant judge MM........we dont need to judge the man to judge and stay away from SATAN....

The jig is up......youre BUSTED..........you listen to the message of a SATANIC MUSICIAN by his own words...

So is that how this is going to work? You're consistently proven wrong, so you're going to try and attack my character instead? You're going to slam what I choose to listen to because you can't refute the facts?

I guess that's the best you can do. I'm.. Ummm. Flattered to say the least. I'm quite pleased that you couldn't manage to do any better than that. I will take that as a compliment. Tanx.

 

[SirKenin]

Is this the same Marilyn Manson who gets on stage and rips apart the same Holy Bible drfeelgood quotes Scriptures from? Hmmmm fascinating.

One and the same.

Can you do me a favor and tell me what's wrong with my quote? Or tell me what's wrong with listening to two songs that refer to the maladies of society? Or are you going to spend all night tearing up a person?

 

[FOC]

One and the same.

Can you do me a favor and tell me what's wrong with my quote?

OOOO .......let me...........

HELLO......YOURE QUOTING AND LISTENING TO A MAN WHO IS A SELF-PROCLAIMED SATANIST.

GET IT.........WE'RE CHRISTIANS............SATANS ENEMY...........

and Im the blind one.........

 

[msjones21]

Nothing is wrong with the quote, it's who it's by. I'm of the opinion that if you're going to tout Bible verses and be self-righteous then you shouldn't endorse a musician who is a self-professed devil-worshipper. Listen to whomever you want to, it makes no difference to me. I don't get upset until that person pretends to be some outstanding Christian who seems quite apt to pointing out other people's flaws using the Scriptures as their scapegoat.

 

[SirKenin]

Oh, and, FOC, perhaps, despite your poor demonstration so far, perhaps you can demonstrate how you are perfect and any better qualified to speak?

No, of course you can't. You can make up excuses. Make up more stories. Take more verses out of context. But as all sins are equal in the eyes of God, you're no better than me.

Don't throw stones in a glass house.

 

[FOC]

So is that how this is going to work? You're consistently proven wrong, so you're going to try and attack my character instead? You're going to slam what I choose to listen to because you can't refute the facts?

I guess that's the best you can do. I'm.. Ummm. Flattered to say the least. I'm quite pleased that you couldn't manage to do any better than that. I will take that as a compliment. Tanx.

Actually, if you had been more inclined to forgive I would never have caught on.....

Your heart exposes you.........

You seem to think that words on pages is all its about..........its NOT

its about people and loving and caring........not your callous judgemental arrogance........

I have to admit tho...........youre the first one that Ive dealt with that listens to a satanist.....

You manage to know the words of the bible..........so does Satan.
What satan CANT do however is have the love of the Spirit.........he can only parrot words.......
Sound familiar?

 

[FOC]

Oh, and, FOC, perhaps, despite your poor demonstration so far, perhaps you can demonstrate how you are perfect and any better qualified to speak?

No, of course you can't. You can make up excuses. Make up more stories. Take more verses out of context. But as all sins are equal in the eyes of God, you're no better than me.

Don't throw stones in a glass house.

me........that was a error on YOUR part..........

i am the worst sinner on the face of this planet and know it.....

Which is why i dont accuse my brethren...........

 

[FOC]

Nothing is wrong with the quote, it's who it's by. I'm of the opinion that if you're going to tout Bible verses and be self-righteous then you shouldn't endorse a musician who is a self-professed devil-worshipper.
Listen to whomever you want to, it makes no difference to me. I don't get upset until that person pretends to be some outstanding Christian who seems quite apt to pointing out other people's flaws using the Scriptures as their scapegoat.

AMEN !!!

 

[SirKenin]

me........that was a error on YOUR part..........

i am the worst sinner on the face of this planet and know it.....

Which is why i dont accuse my brethren...........

You liar. You accuse me. Don't even go there. You've thrown scripture after scripture at me, out of context and everything, trying to trap me and failed. If you're such a terrible sinner, why have you been coming after me. Where is this so-called "compassion" now?

You live a lie. Now we know who the hypocrite is.

I don't pretend to be anything. I live what I preach. So that doesn't work either.

You're throwing stones from inside your glass house.