Is creationism actually on the rise anywhere?

[pitabread]

That's the whole point, of course, you don't want a definition for the pedantic generalizations you spew across these threads. You might actually have to defend one of you fallacious attacks.

I have no idea what you are even babbling about. I'm just pointing out reality. If it bothers you that much, tough cookies.

 

[mark kennedy]

What generalities? These are all just basic facts mark.

No, they are pedantic taunts.

 

[mark kennedy]

I have no idea what you are even babbling about. I'm just pointing out reality. If it bothers you that much, tough cookies.

There is one in every thread, sometimes they start threads, same fallacious volley ball.

 

[pitabread]

No, they are pedantic taunts.

They are facts mark.

You can look up the polls and studies yourself if you don't believe me. Creationists have a demographics/education problem.

In U.S., Belief in Creationist View of Humans at New Low
Public’s Views on Human Evolution
Two Thirds of Canadians Side with Evolution, Not Creationism
People Who Understand Evolution Are More Likely to Accept It
A multifactorial analysis of acceptance of evolution

 

[pitabread]

There is one in every thread, sometimes they start threads, same fallacious volley ball.

Cry me a river.

 

[mark kennedy]

Whatever...

 

[Hazelelponi]

Based on what I've been able to research re: polling data, creationism is declining in the U.S., Canada and Australia.

There was some furor a couple years ago about creationism being on the rise in Europe, but I can't find any actual polling or trend information. Plus, creationist presence in most European countries tends to be much smaller compared to countries like the U.S. so even over there a "rise in creationism" may not necessarily indicate a particularly large shift in demographics.

What I would be most interested to see is any demographic information for creationists in Europe. I know in the U.S. and Canada creationists are predominantly the older cohort (e.g. 55+) which explains the continual downward trend in those countries. I would be interested to see if Europe is similar or not.

A "creationist" is someone eho believes in a God who "created" the multiverse in some way, i.e. belief in some form of intelligent design.

If there is a decline then, it's due to a decline in Christianity and/or other faiths who teach intelligent design such as Judaism and Islam among others. And if a rise then the converse is true, there is an increase in people of faith.

From what I've noticed and read, there is a sharp increase in atheism, and a decline of people of faith in western nations, which would support your data on the decline of people who believe in some form of intelligent design.

 

[pitabread]

A "creationist" is someone eho believes in a God who "created" the multiverse in some way, i.e. belief in some form of intelligent design.

In the context of this thread (and the context of most discussions), a creationist is someone who believes that life forms were created fully formed (particularly humans) as opposed to having evolved over time.

It has nothing to do with atheism versus theism.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In the context of this thread (and the context of most discussions), a creationist is someone who believes that life forms were created fully formed (particularly humans) as opposed to having evolved over time.
It has nothing to do with atheism versus theism.

It has everything to do with if you believe God's Word or not.

 

[Hazelelponi]

In the context of this thread (and the context of most discussions), a creationist is someone who believes that life forms were created fully formed (particularly humans) as opposed to having evolved over time.

It has nothing to do with atheism versus theism.

Yes it does.. because even with your new definition of creationism, its only found among people who believe in a God to have created it..

So it's easy then to look at trends in religion since you have zero chance to believe in creationism if you don't believe in a creator.

 

[pitabread]

Yes it does.. because even with your new definition of creationism

It's not a "new definition" of anything. It's a commonly used definition both in polling and in these discussions.

So it's easy then to look at trends in religion since you have zero chance to believe in creationism if you don't believe in a creator.

Certainly changes in makeup of theists versus non-theists can account for changes in creationist belief as well. But the big issue is that creationist believers tend to be in the older cohort. Natural attrition over time will bring down the percentage of creationists in a population as a result.

That's why I was curious if there is any available data on other countries particularly in Europe.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It's not a "new definition" of anything. It's a commonly used definition both in polling and in these discussions.

I've never been in these discussions or polling..

 

[pitabread]

I've never been in these discussions or polling..

Then welcome!

 

[Hazelelponi]

Then welcome!

Yeah I think you just showed in spades why this is a bad idea.

Common sense - I like it a lot.

 

[pitabread]

Yeah I think you just showed in spades why this is a bad idea.

Common sense - I like it a lot.

In my experience, common sense is usually a way to avoid uncomfortable facts.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

First crazy evolution etc thread. Now I know why I stay away. A simple answer to a simple question is unappreciated

As written to Yahweh's People:
17. Identifying False Teachers (1 Timothy 6:3-5)
If someone spreads false teachings and does not agree with sound words (that is, those of our Lord Jesus Christ) and with the teaching that accords with godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing, but has an unhealthy interest in controversies and verbal disputes. This gives rise to envy, dissension, slanders, evil suspicions, and constant bickering by people corrupted in their minds and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a way of making a profit.

1 Timothy 6:3-5

 

[Speedwell]

It has everything to do with if you believe God's Word or not.

Correct. It's about the Bible, not theism versus atheism.

 

[pitabread]

nevermind, my point got completely away from me...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Theism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Theism is broadly defined as the belief in the existence of the Supreme Being or deities.[1][2] In common parlance, or when contrasted with deism, the term often describes the classical conception of God that is found in monotheism (also referred to as classical theism) - or gods found in polytheistic religions—a belief in God or in gods without the rejection of revelation as is characteristic of deism.[3][4]

Atheism is commonly understood as rejection of theism in the broadest sense of theism, i.e. the rejection of belief in God or gods.[5] The claim that the existence of any deity is unknown or unknowable is agnosticism.[6][7]

 

[pitabread]

Just to re-iterate, at no point in this thread is creationist wholly synonymous with Christian or theism.

By creationist, we're talking about specific beliefs that involve rejection of the idea of evolution of species and of humans in particular. Anyone who has a different definition of "creationist" is welcome to it, but that's not what is being discussed in this thread.

Trying to twist/change/confuse definitions isn't going to work.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Just to re-iterate, at no point in this thread is creationist wholly synonymous with Christian or theism.

By creationist, we're talking about specific beliefs that involve rejection of the idea of evolution of species and of humans in particular. Anyone who has a different definition of "creationist" is welcome to it, but that's not what is being discussed in this thread.

Trying to twist/change/confuse definitions isn't going to work.

When atheism is on the rise, and theistic religions in decline in western countries, what do you THINK is going to happen in the trends surrounding creationism, as a matter of course?

It's simple common sense really. It's not rocket science.