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BINGO.This is what Jesus says. "Whoever believes has eternal life". He does not say "whoever chooses to believe has eternal life". If you choose to believe, it's because you don't believe.
If they were ALREADY born again why do they need to do the work to HEAR or the work to HAPPEN to believe?Nobody can perceive Christ or hear the gospel at a spiritual level unless born again.
How does "receiving" turn grace into works?Receiving by an act of the will turns the gospel into law ans grace into works. Receiving as you receive a pat on the back retains the gospel of grace.
The gospel saves in more ways than one. Imbeciles who cannot hear the gospel, even people in lands beyond the reach of the gospel, infants, etc., can be born again and go to heaven, if Christ paid for their sins on the cross.If they were ALREADY born again why do they need to do the work to HEAR or the work to HAPPEN to believe?
If it is an act of the will, you save yourself and the gospel becomes law.How does "receiving" turn grace into works?
Christ paid for EVERYONE'S sins on the cross. Is the whole world saved?The gospel saves in more ways than one. Imbeciles who cannot hear the gospel, even people in lands beyond the reach of the gospel, infants, etc., can be born again and go to heaven, if Christ paid for their sins on the cross.
If Jesus died for all and sin, why aren't all saved? = He didn't save anyone. They must save themselves.Christ paid for EVERYONE'S sins on the cross. Is the whole world saved?
Or do we need to do something? ("happen" to believe)
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
But if I "happened" to believe (oops) then grace is not "works"?If it is an act of the will, you save yourself and the gospel becomes law.
Those are great points.
What is the purpose of evangelism if God has already elected those he wants?
And what does that say about the others? Created to suffer for all eternity?
If you believe what you are hearing as the gospel is preached, it means you are born again. If you must choose to believe, you are not born again but are forcing the flesh to believe against its will.But if I "happened" to believe (oops) then grace is not "works"?
Well, which is it?If Jesus died for all and sin, why aren't all saved? = He didn't save anyone. They must save themselves.
Whole world = gentiles, not just Jews.Well, which is it?
Did Christ paid for the sins of the whole world, or only ours? Read the verse.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
A person under conviction has a choice to make.If you believe what you are hearing as the gospel is preached, it means you are born again. If you must choose to believe, you are not born again but are forcing the flesh to believe against its will.
Right that would be EVERYONE. Is everyone saved then?Whole world = gentiles, not just Jews.
Choice under conviction = born again or else they would not be convicted. And choosing to repent and be baptized turns the new birth into the baptism with the Holy Spirit.A person under conviction has a choice to make.
What you call salvation by works.
Not sure. Good idea though.
I wonder if predestination has nothing to do with salvation. Re-read scripture below.
The key scripture says we were "predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son".
And that God "foreknew", which means he knew the outcome before it happened.
Nothing to say that this whole thing is NOT in reference to a process that takes place after a decision is made. Those of us who believe have been "predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son". Can it not be stated that way?
Romans 8:29-30
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Were all Jews saved when Jesus said salvation is only of the Jews?Right that would be EVERYONE. Is everyone saved then?
Or does it only apply to those who will "happen" to believe? (the work)
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Inside out, upside down, and backwards. Cart before the horse and horse in the cart. What a mess.Choice under conviction = born again or else they would not be convicted. And choosing to repent and be baptized turns the new birth into the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)Inside out, upside down, and backwards. Cart before the horse and horse in the cart. What a mess.
Conformed is a process.I think this could possibly take place after our death. Who is still living that can honestly say they have already been confirmed to the image of Christ? I don’t think there’s a single person on earth that make such a claim.
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