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But in both of these cases the believers did NOT have the Holy Spirit!
Well, where was God before and during the creation? Nothing existed prior? From whence did the creation proceed?
Treachery against what? Cessationism?
Thus discounting 1Cor.12 which tells us quite clearly that the Holy Spirit determines who gets the gifts.
Of course you don't believe something opposed to what's been brainwashed into you and everyone else for 2,000 years. Haven't we already established that? I am just asking you to think for yourself here.
Of course God has limits. That's not a 'problem' for me - it's the only solution for the problem of evil, as I discussed on that other thread (understandably you didn't read all of that).
Why does anything exist? Why does God exist? No one knows why. We can only speculate.
Infinitely powerful? He has no limits? Can he make 2 plus 2 equal 5? No. Can He create something out of nothing? Look, if you want to believe insanity brainwashed into you, there's not much I can do about it.
Another world where babies starve and children are raped? Why would He want that? But Hubble telescope reveals an estimated 100 billion galaxies out there, so there's plenty of raw material - and that's just the KNOWN universe. I believe He formed our a universe out of a MUCH LARGER supply, the full supply of matter (which I have named 'The Totality'). But yes, if you are asking me if reality is finite, then yes, I believe the sum total of matter is a finite quantity.
LOL. That's the whole point. Once you abandon mainstream assumptions about how to define God, there's really nothing to solve! Everything easily falls into the place! All the historically insoluble problems such as the Incarnation are a cinch for me to explain - and I cover most of it on that other thread.
Ok are we talking about the Third Person, or the human soul? Let's not mix apples and oranges here. I demonstrated, by appealing to the physical dynamics of Scripture, that the physical Wind/Breath (ruach in Hebrew) that pushed apart the waters was NOT an 'illustration'. It was a real wind.
No spirit is a poor English translation of a word that, based on the CONTEXT, means Wind/Breath.
Just be aware that every sort of objection that you raise like this - it has NOT been solved by the Spirit/Ghost party. They just make a bunch of bogus assertions that they cannot explain, cannot backup, and leave us scratching our head. I already gave you an example - how can immaterial spirit even push a pencil? It would slip through his hands!
You haven't shed any light on the matter - nor has anyone else in the last 2,000 years. When a concept makes zero sense to the human mind, no one's going to be able to shed any light on it.
Actually we have a big problem if God is supposed to be infinitely powerful. Because the concept of infinitely large number or quantity - as a real existing thing - doesn't make sense. What does that even mean? Still growing? If God is still growing into His infinite capacity, then, at any given moment, He is still finite and incomplete. That's insanity.
Where did I say THAT? He is all powerful in the sense that He rules everything. He rules 100 billion galaxies, last I checked. He's a pretty big guy. Are YOU going to overthrow Him? And if not you, then who?
You're asking me to explain to you, the insanity brainwashed into you for the last 2,000 years. Which is precisely my contention that I CANNOT do.
No problem for a shape shifting material God. Right?
The term he used was pneumatic. Goto Amazon and purchase me a pneumatic tool - a spirit powered tool. I'd like to see it. You'll find it means a wind-powered tool.
This is true, but you need to consider it was only through an apostle's hands throughout Acts and according to Paul in Romans and elsewhere.
No, mindless babbling calling it speaking in tongues is treachery against the Holy Spirit.
“Therefore, if God gave them the same gift that He also gave to us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ [long before Pentecost], how could I possibly hinder God?”” (Acts 11:17) (HCSB)
You forgot the two outpourings. And the Elders in Timothy's church.
So, you are siding with these folks.
Do you believe the body of Christ is an amputee? (missing body parts)
It is obvious today's attempt at speaking in tongues is nothing more than vain babbling. But it does relieve stress and is therefore deceiving people into thinking they have the gift.
We have all of these in their writings, just as the first century believers did.
That's handy. You found a translation that agrees with you.
You confuse the New Birth (Holy Spirit) with the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. At Pentecost, the New Birth became the Baptism through repentance at a New Covenant level.
