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Although the word itself refers to one who is sent out, we do normally reserve the word Apostles for The Twelve whom Christ called personally, plus Matthias and Paul, that's right.No, apostles are not simply missionaries. They could drink poison and not die, and handle deadly snakes. You cant say that about anyone but an apostle
Is that how it worked for the OT prophets?If you own a Bible and read it, you have his "voice" coming to you.
I find it horrible, those christians that are 'bible only' and not looking more from God himself.
Sorry you don't get to tell me what is sensible, as long as you're too afraid to even tell me what your epistemic basis is for believing that Scripture is inspired, knowing full well that doing so will confirm my whole position.Whoa. None of us said that God cannot reveal himself vocally--literally vocally. We also affirm that he can show himself in the physical form of a human.
BUT to think that this is routine or even commonplace is neither reasonable nor scriptural.
So do you hear more than one person (yourself) speaking in your head?Hmm...Earlier you said:
There's a voice in your head? Dave, have you ever sought professional help? Are you on any medication?
The fact that there were prophets in history says nothing about what we have been talking about here today--the theory that everybody or at least many ordinary Christians who think they have something to say on the subject of religion are legitimate prophets just like the prophets we find in Scripture.Is that how it worked for the OT prophets?
Is that how it worked for Jesus?
Why doesn't that work today?
If it's not God, who is it?
No one said it is routine or common place. But what's important is the REASON why it's not common place. WHY was Moses permitted such face-to-face revelations of God? Any why Paul? Is it because God is a respecter of persons? Was Paul under a better covenant than we are? Take a hard look at Num 12:8 - the distinction was based on the FAITHFULNESS of Moses.Whoa. None of us said that God cannot reveal himself vocally--literally vocally. We also affirm that he can show himself in the physical form of a human.
BUT to think that this is routine or even commonplace is neither reasonable nor scriptural.
(Sigh). Take me up on some of the challenges. Define a personal relationship with the Father, in clear terms, without reference to loudness.So do you hear more than one person (yourself) speaking in your head?
"... ordinary Christians..." ???The fact that there were prophets in history says nothing about what we have been talking about here today--the theory that everybody or at least many ordinary Christians who think they have something to say on the subject of religion are legitimate prophets just like the prophets we find in Scripture.
I'm trying to understand your experience. I'll admit, it sounds crazy. But I'm all ears.(Sigh). Take me up on some of the challenges. Define a personal relationship with the Father, in clear terms, without reference to loudness.
You won't do it, you're too scared, knowing it will confirm my whole position. You and Albion, both alike, would rather just stand at a remote distance and throw stones, like theological cowards.
Well, I have already addressed all your ideas, and I know now from your replies that the problem here in this dialogue is fundamental. You simply do not understand what the term Sola Scriptura means.Sorry you don't get to tell me what is sensible, as long as you're too afraid to even tell me what your epistemic basis is for believing that Scripture is inspired, knowing full well that doing so will confirm my whole position.
Maybe you're not following me. I am asking you to try to understand YOUR experience.I'm trying to understand your experience. I'll admit, it sounds crazy. But I'm all ears.
In fact, that IS the issue. As I noted before, we all agree that God CAN do this. The question is whether or not it is exceptional. The discussion began on the premise that some Christians believe that the Gifts, generally understood, have ceased. The opposite of that would be that they are a normal and expected part of church life.No one said it is routine or common place.
As expected. My challenges are ignored. You haven't addressed anything specific.Well, I have already addressed all your ideas, and I know now from your replies that the problem here in this dialogue is fundamental. You simply do not understand what the term Sola Scriptura means.
I recommend you look into other sources, since what I explained was not what you were interested in hearing, probably because you have had other issues on your mind.
I addressed them all, even in the face of repeated insults; but each time I tried the reply was about something else, not what I had laid out for you. So good-bye.As expected. My challenges are ignored. You haven't addressed anything specific.
False dichotomy. And you took my words out of context. I was referring to face to face revelations of God which are NOT commonplace, although they were supposed to be, by reason of loudness, as discussed earlier (I think it was post 396, will have to check).In fact, that IS the issue. As I noted before, we all agree that God CAN do this. The question is whether or not it is exceptional. The discussion began on the premise that some Christians believe that the Gifts, generally understood, have ceased. The opposite of that would be that they are a normal and expected part of church life.
That's funny. You haven't even told us why you believe the Bible is inspired. 600 posts deep. As expected, of course.I addressed them all, even in the face of repeated insults; but each time I tried the reply was about something else, not what I had laid out for you. So good-bye.
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