Is Continuationism or Cessationism a hard doctrine to prove?

[Saint Steven]

If there were any I would.

If we are honest, we all have voices in our head.
Psychology has identified both positive and negative "self-talk".

Kind of sick, but I like this Lily Tomlin quote:
"Why is it that when we talk to God we're said to be praying but when God talks to us we're schizophrenic?"

 

[Dave L]

If we are honest, we all have voices in our head.
Psychology has identified both positive and negative "self-talk".

Kind of sick, but I like this Lily Tomlin quote:
"Why is it that when we talk to God we're said to be praying but when God talks to us we're schizophrenic?"

I know my personal head voice. And there is only me.

 

[Albion]

If we are honest, we all have voices in our head.
Psychology has identified both positive and negative "self-talk".

Kind of sick, but I like this Lily Tomlin quote:
"Why is it that when we talk to God we're said to be praying but when God talks to us we're schizophrenic?"

Very few Christians imagine that they have heard the voice of God personally speaking to them, however.

 

[Saint Steven]

A prayer language?

I really don't think it matters what term is used so long as it is not mislabelled as one of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit that the Bible identifies for us.

See. You don't know what to call it either.
What do you call healing ministry when you don't have the "gift"?

 

[Saint Steven]

I know my personal head voice. And there is only me.

Do you deny that God, or Jesus speaks to us?
(if it is only you in there, we can't verify that you are saved)

John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

 

[Dave L]

Do you deny that God, or Jesus speaks to us?
(if it is only you in there, we can't verify that you are saved)

John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

Only in scripture.

 

[NBB]

Very few Christians imagine that they have heard the voice of God personally speaking to them, however.

God is not mute, sometimes he has things to say to people and he does, either be just an understanding of something, a revelation of some kind about something, a warning, etc etc. he makes himself understand.

 

[Saint Steven]

Well, misunderstandings sometimes happen with discussion board posts, but I re-read the relevant posts and could not find any hint of what you think he implied. But that's done now and you gave your explanation, so there is no need to talk further about it.

What about my eye-witness account? Are you just brushing it aside too?

 

[Albion]

See. You don't know what to call it either.

?? I called it a prayer language.

If you want a definitive answer rather than a suggestion, "Call it a Prayer Language, Saint Steven!"

What do you call healing ministry when you don't have the "gift"?

You described your experience as praying for someone else's healing. I don't call that some sort of "healing ministry," just something we all ought to do. And bless you for doing it yourself.

 

[Saint Steven]

Only in scripture.

No ministry of the Holy Spirit in your life? No Holy Spirit to teach and remind?

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

 

[Dave L]

No ministry of the Holy Spirit in your life? No Holy Spirit to teach and remind?

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

I have more Holy Spirit in my life than I ever did as a Charismatic.

 

[Saint Steven]

?? I called it a prayer language.

If you want a definitive answer rather than a suggestion, "Call it a Prayer Language, Saint Steven!"


You described your experience as praying for someone else's healing. I don't call that some sort of "healing ministry," just something we all ought to do. And bless you for doing it yourself.

I'm not sure why you are angry with me. I'm trying to answer your questions.

 

[Albion]

God is not mute, sometimes he has things to say to people and he does, either be just an understanding of something, a revelation of some kind about something, a warning, etc etc. he makes himself understand.

And angels stand guard over our beds at night. We all have wonderful imaginations, but God gave us his guidance in his holy word. If and when he occasionally chooses to reveal himself to some mortal in another way, that is his choosing, but we are very wrong to start thinking that it is something that happens to every believer, more or less all the time. Nothing in Scripture supports that notion.

 

[Saint Steven]

I have more Holy Spirit in my life than I ever did as a Charismatic.

How does that equate to never hearing God's voice?

 

[W2L]

If God still calls apostles, i would like to know where they are, i have a few questions.

 

[Albion]

I'm not sure why you are angry with me. I'm trying to answer your questions.

I am not angry with you; but I gave you an answer, one that other people use, and your reply was that I don't know what to call it. Huh?

Perhaps I was perplexed for a moment, but that was not anger. Didn't you see the smiley face??

 

[Dave L]

How does that equate to never hearing God's voice?

I hear God's voice in scripture. I cast down imaginations and bring every thought captive to Christ.

 

[Saint Steven]

Very few Christians imagine that they have heard the voice of God personally speaking to them, however.

It is a rare occurrence for me to hear the LOUD voice. The still small voice is nearly constant. Especially bringing scripture to memory.

 

[JAL]

I know my personal head voice. And there is only me.

All thought is voice. Not convinced? Take the most abstract, obscure theological sentence you can find.Now sing those words mentally to your favorite tune. See what I mean?

Consciousness is loudness as I explained earlier. Everything - all doctrine, all theology - must be understood in those terms. Therefore if you admit that the Holy Spirit illuminates the mind (Eph 1:8), if He contributes to your understanding in ANY way, He's putting a voice in your head. Please do not be hypocritical about it. Meaning, don't say to the charismatics, 'It's okay that God does this for ME, but don't claim He does it for YOU.'

Secondly, in that same post, I argued that it is impossible to define 'fellowship' with God (a biblical term) without reference to loudness. If you disagree with that argument, show me why it's wrong. Explain to me - without recourse to a bunch of nebulous language comprised of cliches - precisely what it means to have a personal relationship with the Father, without loudness. I'm sure you'll find this task impossible.

So much for your theory that we shouldn't be chasing after the Father's voice. Seems you might want to take John 5:37 to heart. Apparently, Jesus actually meant what He said there.

 

[Albion]

John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

If we understand sheep to be an analogy in that verse, not actual sheep in the field, it should follow that "listen to my voice" is an analogy also.