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Sooo, all those times it's written "you will keep them forever", "for all generations", Gd was lying to us? David was joking when he called Torah perfect? We received bondage from Gd in the desert? Interesting perspective.
Yhwh is not a man, that He could(should?) lie. Torah?

In most 'english' Bibles, "Torah" is not even seen. (a sad state of affairs)
How many times is "Torah" in Scripture ?
(I agree Torah is perfect and righteous, and good and necessary for us as Yhwh says, when properly seen.)

Imagine everyone in nyc deciding they didn't have to obey the traffic signals, and just driving haphazardly any which way they wanted to ! chaos and lawlessness !

Or las vegas deciding there is no such thing as adultery, and everyone could do whatever they wanted to do .... ...
 
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I think what we need to really pray on and think on, is this, are we doing something because we love it and grew up with it and it is something we came to love and know, or are we following after what God (Yahweh) wants, after His heart. He tells us in scripture do not adopt the customs of those around you, if you look into the world's "holidays" they are full of people's customs and only later was "Jesus" put into the mix to justify it. Remember, sin is very attractive, and sin is anything that would go against Yahweh's Word. Many times in scripture the Israelite's wanted the things of the nations around about them because they were attracted to them, to their customs, they wanted what they had, they followed what their eyes were seeing instead of what Yahweh was telling them and trying to lead them to. I too use to celebrate Christmas, etc. but once my eyes were opened (and only Yahweh can reveal and open our eyes so that we can understand) I saw how it broke His heart that many people are following what they are comfortable with and grew up with more than what the Bible is telling us. I love celebrating His Holy Days, because in scripture it clearly states that they will be celebrated in the New Jerusalem, when Yeshua (Jesus) will reign over all the nations. Take this into account, why celebrate something that will be done away with when Yeshua returns? For only the things that are of Him will remain, and it clearly states that His Holy Days will remain, and if nations do not celebrate them, they will receive no rain during that time, this is how important these days are to Him. It is nice to look at His Holy Days as appointed times, also as days that we rehearse, we are looking forward to being with Him and sitting down with Him and celebrating with Him, I don't know about any one else, but this right here is why I would gladly give up Christmas, Easter, etc. and follow His Holy Days. :)
 
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Also, what is the Law? The Law is
  1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
  2. You shall not make idols. You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them
  3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
  5. Honor your father and your mother.
  6. You shall not murder.
  7. You shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not steal.
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  10. You shall not covet.
What are the Laws associated with the ten commandments
  • I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists
  • Anyone who curses their father or mother (is to be put to death) it's a horrible sin etc
Therefore, with the power of the Holy Spirit or by the grace of God it will be possible to observe the laws. However, just because we have the Holy Spirit it doesn't mean we continue breaking the law after all, the Lord's grace is super efficient, No, we need to observe these commandments. So stop making the Laws of Moses sound alien because we have been called to testify of the LORD's works, we need to know what could deny us a chance to get to heaven. And I HATE familiarity with TORAH, it doesn't add up!!! Please don't assume Torah or the commandments of GOD. :D
 
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So the law is kept to only judge yourself and not others?
It is used for both. If someone is committing adultery in the congregation, we who are spiritual must restore that person in the spirit of meekness (Galatians 6:1; James 5:19-20) before his sin leavens the rest of the congregation (1 Corinthians 5:6). We cannot know it is adultery unless the law says, "Thou shalt not commit adultery".

I have problems with the law because of the curses and consequences for breaking them ...
Yeshua redeemed us from the curse of the law, not by abolishing the law, but by taking the curse upon himself. However, there are consequences that our loving Father will bring upon us via His chastening so that we learn not to commit sin (Hebrews 12:5-11).

people will one day use the law to judge and condemn again ...
People will judge and condemn others even without the law. Do not some erring Christians condemn their brothers and sisters for smoking cigarettes or for not believing in the trinity, etc?

Already men use the law to call Christians pagans .. Big red flag for me...
Just because others use the law unjustly is no grounds to avoid obeying it ourselves. The Jews were using the law unjustly by telling people they needed to be justified and saved by the law (Acts 15:1; Galatians 5:1-4). Paul did not tell them the law no longer exists, so we can't be justified by it. He taught them the true way to be justified by faith and saved by grace and that the law is firmly established by faith (Romans 3:31).

Using the law men will find all manor of sins against their brothers and sisters ...and it won't be long men will eventually deny Christ as messiah and reject him to turn to another messiah who will enforce the law and rebuild the temple and commit judgement against sinners which will be a violation of all that Christ stands for ...they will eventually reap what they sowed ..I choose to walk without the law and love my brothers and sisters and judge not and condemn not which is some of my righteousness I offer up to God ....
Any man, including those who claim to keep "Jesus' commandments" can use those commandments unjustly to find fault with others. No one should use the law to "find" sins against others, but once the Holy Spirit exposes those sins (transgressions against the law), we are to restore our wayward brother.

By choosing to walk without the law, you are choosing to walk without the very thing that tells you you sinned. If you don't know you sinned because you no longer have the law telling you you sinned, then you will fail to go to Yeshua for forgiveness through his shed blood. You sins will always be unconfessed because you don't even know you sinned. Yes, the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, but so does the law (Psalm 19:7). They work together. The Holy Spirit will convict you that you have broken the law, but only if you know the law still exists. You have been deceived into believing it no longer exists. What a diabolical strategy Satan uses on believers to get them to sin. He knows it is difficult to get a believer to break YHWH's laws, but if he can convince them there is no more law, it makes his job so much easier.

Paul taught if we submit ourself back into the law and sin again against the law there is no more sacrifice for sinning against the law ...
I assume you are referring to Hebrews 10:26? Please put references in your posts so we can look up the verses you use. In context, it is referring to a person who renounces Yeshua, not a person who goes back under the law. You used the word "submit". Paul taught that it is the carnal mind that cannot "submit" or be "subject to" the law (Romans 8:7). However, the spiritual mind will be subject to the law.

I don't teach not to keep the feast and I don't judge against those that still do ... I just personally don't think it's nessesary for salvation ... I don't keep them nor know much about them and it's very confusing ...
YHWH is not the author of confusion. That is the adversary keeping you from the truth. If you choose to read and learn about the Feasts and allow YHWH's word into your heart, your confusion will vanish. Each Feast portrays a specific aspect of YHWH's plan of salvation. When salvation is complete and the last soul saved, then that which portrays the plan will cease.

I believe God will perform the resurrection and rapture during Firstfruits and gather us during the counting of the Omer ..
If YHWH still keeps to His feast day timeline, why shouldn't we? The disciples in Acts 2 were gathered together on a Feast day (Shavuot/Pentecost). They did not think it was abolished at the cross. Had they stayed home that day and not been gathered in a holy convocation in obedience to YHWH, they would not have received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (the former rain). The latter rain is yet to come. I hope you won't miss it by going shopping on that future Shavuot.

Lyberty from what?
From death and from being separated from our land and families. Keep in mind that all of the feast days are shadows of something to come in our future. That makes it somewhat difficult at times to see what the reality is that is casting the shadow. The Israelites had to offer a Passover lamb each year (the shadow). or them to look into the future and Yeshua as the true Passover Lamb (the reality) was very difficult. All feast keepers are not in agreement as to what the reality of the anti-typical Jubilee trumpet is, but I believe it will be the "last trump" signaling the resurrection of the dead. The captives of death will be set free and return to their homeland and families (Leviticus 25:8-10).
 
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The curse of the law? I’m sorry; I must have wandered into the Pentecostal section…
You are in the right place. You just need to hear what the law says.

Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirms not all the words of this law (Torah) to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Please explain to me what this curse is and how it comes upon people.
 
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You are in the right place. You just need to hear what the law says.

Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirms not all the words of this law (Torah) to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Please explain to me what this curse is and how it comes upon people.

#1 A curse to those who DO NOT follow the Law.


#2 By not following the Law.
 
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Here is how Jeremiah puts it:

Jeremiah 11:1-8 The word that came to Jeremiah from YHWH, saying,
Hear you the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
And say thou unto them, Thus says YHWH God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeys not the words of this covenant,
Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall you be my people, and I will be your God:
That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O YHWH.
Then YHWH said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear you the words of this covenant, and do them.
For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.
Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do; but they did them not.​

In other words, YHWH will bring upon disobedient Judah the curses of Deuteronomy 28:15-68.
 
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Yes, it is impossible of yourself. Especially if you don't try.
You have to be committed every day, all the time.
Why do you think he had Israelites make and wear tzitzits?
They are a daily, and constant, reminder of the law.

Do you still wear them ?
 
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Sooo, all those times it's written "you will keep them forever", "for all generations", Gd was lying to us? David was joking when he called Torah perfect? We received bondage from Gd in the desert? Interesting perspective.

No God does not lie... Forever may have been an add on .. I believe all things come to an end ... Sin and death comes to an end and sacrifices and no need of the temple ordinances..at least that's what the new covenant is suppose to offer so will see...

We know the temple will be erected again when Jesus returns but things will be different in those days ... Different sacrifices it's a different system from the old ... So there is a change somewhat ...

As I understand it ,the new covenant was offered to Israel in the beginning but were fallen when Moses returned.. So a temporary covenant was issued until messiah comes to reestablish the new covenant which was always the original covenant ... But now the original covenant is offered to all men not just Israel ...all who enter in now by faith are the Firstfruits

Yes the old covenant was bondage ... Like a marriage ..bound until set free to marry another
 
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"Jeremiah 11:1-8 The word that came to Jeremiah from YHWH, saying,
Hear you the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
And say thou unto them, Thus says YHWH God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeys not the words of this covenant,
Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall you be my people, and I will be your God:
That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O YHWH.
Then YHWH said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear you the words of this covenant, and do them.
For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.
Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do; but they did them not."




Gyse, þone sy cyrten hwone ic sprekan in þæm stod bufan

Or for those who speak MODERN English...

Yes, that is what I said in the post above.
 
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Also, what is the Law? The Law is
  1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
  2. You shall not make idols. You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them
  3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
  5. Honor your father and your mother.
  6. You shall not murder.
  7. You shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not steal.
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
  10. You shall not covet.
What are the Laws associated with the ten commandments
  • I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists
  • Anyone who curses their father or mother (is to be put to death) it's a horrible sin etc
Therefore, with the power of the Holy Spirit or by the grace of God it will be possible to observe the laws. However, just because we have the Holy Spirit it doesn't mean we continue breaking the law after all, the Lord's grace is super efficient, No, we need to observe these commandments. So stop making the Laws of Moses sound alien because we have been called to testify of the LORD's works, we need to know what could deny us a chance to get to heaven. And I HATE familiarity with TORAH, it doesn't add up!!! Please don't assume Torah or the commandments of GOD. :D

The new covenant does not teach to put to death for breaking any law but that all sins committed were placed on Christ ... He paid the death penalty for all sinners ... So man should never judge and condemn again .. All judgement belongs to the lord
 
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It is used for both. If someone is committing adultery in the congregation, we who are spiritual must restore that person in the spirit of meekness (Galatians 6:1; James 5:19-20) before his sin leavens the rest of the congregation (1 Corinthians 5:6). We cannot know it is adultery unless the law says, "Thou shalt not commit adultery".


Yeshua redeemed us from the curse of the law, not by abolishing the law, but by taking the curse upon himself. However, there are consequences that our loving Father will bring upon us via His chastening so that we learn not to commit sin (Hebrews 12:5-11).


People will judge and condemn others even without the law. Do not some erring Christians condemn their brothers and sisters for smoking cigarettes or for not believing in the trinity, etc?


Just because others use the law unjustly is no grounds to avoid obeying it ourselves. The Jews were using the law unjustly by telling people they needed to be justified and saved by the law (Acts 15:1; Galatians 5:1-4). Paul did not tell them the law no longer exists, so we can't be justified by it. He taught them the true way to be justified by faith and saved by grace and that the law is firmly established by faith (Romans 3:31).


Any man, including those who claim to keep "Jesus' commandments" can use those commandments unjustly to find fault with others. No one should use the law to "find" sins against others, but once the Holy Spirit exposes those sins (transgressions against the law), we are to restore our wayward brother.

By choosing to walk without the law, you are choosing to walk without the very thing that tells you you sinned. If you don't know you sinned because you no longer have the law telling you you sinned, then you will fail to go to Yeshua for forgiveness through his shed blood. You sins will always be unconfessed because you don't even know you sinned. Yes, the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, but so does the law (Psalm 19:7). They work together. The Holy Spirit will convict you that you have broken the law, but only if you know the law still exists. You have been deceived into believing it no longer exists. What a diabolical strategy Satan uses on believers to get them to sin. He knows it is difficult to get a believer to break YHWH's laws, but if he can convince them there is no more law, it makes his job so much easier.


I assume you are referring to Hebrews 10:26? Please put references in your posts so we can look up the verses you use. In context, it is referring to a person who renounces Yeshua, not a person who goes back under the law. You used the word "submit". Paul taught that it is the carnal mind that cannot "submit" or be "subject to" the law (Romans 8:7). However, the spiritual mind will be subject to the law.


YHWH is not the author of confusion. That is the adversary keeping you from the truth. If you choose to read and learn about the Feasts and allow YHWH's word into your heart, your confusion will vanish. Each Feast portrays a specific aspect of YHWH's plan of salvation. When salvation is complete and the last soul saved, then that which portrays the plan will cease.


If YHWH still keeps to His feast day timeline, why shouldn't we? The disciples in Acts 2 were gathered together on a Feast day (Shavuot/Pentecost). They did not think it was abolished at the cross. Had they stayed home that day and not been gathered in a holy convocation in obedience to YHWH, they would not have received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (the former rain). The latter rain is yet to come. I hope you won't miss it by going shopping on that future Shavuot.


From death and from being separated from our land and families. Keep in mind that all of the feast days are shadows of something to come in our future. That makes it somewhat difficult at times to see what the reality is that is casting the shadow. The Israelites had to offer a Passover lamb each year (the shadow). or them to look into the future and Yeshua as the true Passover Lamb (the reality) was very difficult. All feast keepers are not in agreement as to what the reality of the anti-typical Jubilee trumpet is, but I believe it will be the "last trump" signaling the resurrection of the dead. The captives of death will be set free and return to their homeland and families (Leviticus 25:8-10).

You bring up an interesting case for the law .. I have more questions for you ... And I will ponder your thoughts on the matter ...thanks for your patience and replies ..peace ...

What does gadar Perets mean ?
 
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The new covenant does not teach to put to death for breaking any law but that all sins committed were placed on Christ ... He paid the death penalty for all sinners ... So man should never judge and condemn again .. All judgement belongs to the lord
His judgement will still be carried out.
 
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The new covenant does not teach to put to death for breaking any law but that all sins committed were placed on Christ ... He paid the death penalty for all sinners ... So man should never judge and condemn again .. All judgement belongs to the lord

i wonder which one is worse, to be stoned to death or eternal fires? The former Covenant may have been cruel but I'm wondering if the NC is better in terms of the final punishment for sin. I know there's atonement for sins (Thanks to Mashiach's greatest sacrifice for mankind) but I honestly wonder if the NC is less stringent than the former one. Do you know holding a grudge is a sin? For the former covenant, sin seemed to be verbal or one could have evidence of someone having committed that sin but the NC both sins of the heart and the others are enough to convict someone of Judgement. I have never believed that being under NC would be less demanding than the former Covenant!
 
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No God does not lie... Forever may have been an add on .. I believe all things come to an end ... Sin and death comes to an end and sacrifices and no need of the temple ordinances..at least that's what the new covenant is suppose to offer so will see...

We know the temple will be erected again when Jesus returns but things will be different in those days ... Different sacrifices it's a different system from the old ... So there is a change somewhat ...

As I understand it ,the new covenant was offered to Israel in the beginning but were fallen when Moses returned.. So a temporary covenant was issued until messiah comes to reestablish the new covenant which was always the original covenant ... But now the original covenant is offered to all men not just Israel ...all who enter in now by faith are the Firstfruits

Yes the old covenant was bondage ... Like a marriage ..bound until set free to marry another
The Covenant was made with the Jews, not with you. It's an everlasting covenant with commandments to be performed for all generations . That is what is actually written in the Torah! To say otherwise is to call Gd a lier. The New Covenant(a renewal of the old one), whenever it comes, will be between Gd and Jews. Again. It's actually written in the prophecy. There seems to be some kind of comprehension problem among the Christians. Some kind of textual blindness??
 
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#1 A curse to those who DO NOT follow the Law.


#2 By not following the Law.
Correct. Are you telling me you keep "all the words of this law (Torah) to do them"? I know you don't so don't deceive yourself. Since you have broken the law sometime in your life, even your post bar mitzvah life, then you are under the curse of the law. How do you plan on escaping that curse? You can't except through Messiah Yeshua who took the curse of the law upon himself so that you can live forever.
 
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Correct. Are you telling me you keep "all the words of this law (Torah) to do them"? I know you don't so don't deceive yourself. Since you have broken the law sometime in your life, even your post bar mitzvah life, then you are under the curse of the law. How do you plan on escaping that curse? You can't except through Messiah Yeshua who took the curse of the law upon himself so that you can live forever.

How do you “Know”? Are you the one remotely accessing my webcam?
 
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Gyse, þone sy cyrten hwone ic sprekan in þæm stod bufan

Or for those who speak MODERN English...

Yes, that is what I said in the post above.
I assume, by this post, that you disagree with the translation of Jeremiah 11:1-8? If so, please post the "correct" translation. If not, please explain what you meant.
 
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